Devin

@flowboy from what I'm reading on shadow(jung) is it's a quality(usually negative) in your blindspot(unconscious). But I know I still have hooks in me for common social values and that I have ignorance, so what could it be in my shadow that you're referring to?

There are worse things for a man than jail or death, social shame and rejection, jail is not that for many men, it is often considered manly.

The only way I notice it is when I leave, but I notice the beliefs I pick up from others, and I notice how they were weighing me down.

Yeah I don't believe in leaving forever, just until you lose the insanity.

I don't know anything about what you're referring to as my shadow, I'll look into that. My goal with a therapist would be to reveal what I'm missing, what I can't see. I think they can screw you up by sending you into a rabbit hole, offering an attractive distraction like having me question things. I can really withdraw into thinking, so I'm cautious about what I start to think about, a lot of it if not all of it seems like a waste of time and energy to me, I think just feeling seems to be the better approach, not converting feelings into words, words are so flimsy, you can never truly come to an end. Thanks

Their wives have the greatest ability to hurt them socially.

I definitely still have superficial societal values creep up and I can get anxious when they do. I can feel them melting away though, as I keep cutting through my ignorance. You have long periods during normal life where you don't think there's some underlying anxiety, although not front and center, but something you still slightly sense is lurking? I don't see how I could have gotten to that point without leaving, although I was in a toxic family and had maybe what you consider mildly toxic friends, I see toxicity in everyone. I plan on seeing a therapist(been planning this for years though) I just feel like it will be a waste of time and possibly counter productive. Maybe a fear to face head on though, I feel like they could screw you up. Thank you, I appreciate the detailed response, the only reason I made the thread is because I am unsure. I mean leave every relationship.

Thank you. I wouldn't want to get in between their relationship, I appreciate you hitting that home to me though. And I also wouldn't have anything sexual if she seems unsure of what she wants or is doing, I wouldn't just want to have sex with her just for myself and screw up her relationship. I'm past the point of wanting a committed relationship with her. I actually don't care if my significant other would cheat on me, I don't want a disease obviously but the sex doesn't bother me, if she found a great guy she wanted to with I would be happy for her. Integrity; I appreciate you pushing this as well, if it does start to get sexual I think we should have a conversation first to make sure she isn't doing something she might regret. She doesn't make me uncomfortable with it, I sort of touched on it earlier but she isn't a hyper sexual person, at least in the type of situations we've been in. She's elegant but modest, not a daddy issue/begging for attention sort of woman. Thanks, this is definitely helpful for me

Myself of course, I think eliminating the distractions let's you more easily process what still comes with you. Leaving alone isn't the end. You answered my question though; No. You seem like a very healthy minded individual, but are you anxious and just figured out how to conceal it? You still seem attached to superficial societal values (worldly accomplishments). I haven't read a ton of your posts though, so I'm sincerely asking. My understanding of escapism is finding something to distract yourself from looking at your "problem". I think I did the opposite.

Not permanently, but until you find peace; then you want to be with people and loving sacrifice feels fulfilling. But you answered my question; No. You seem like a very healthy minded individual, are you anxious though, and just figured out how to conceal it?

I don't sense camaraderie or trust with materialism/greed even back in the day, I think it always came with deceit and a lack of integrity which keeps people from being unified, no ones ever trusted each other over here and anyone would sell out the rest of the country. I agree that was the strive though, I think it still is today, not because it's celebrated though, but because of fear.

It's simple math, if half (+ 1) the electorate vote democrat, they gain the majority in the House despite any amount of gerrymandering Draw the most gerrymandered map and have half the electorate vote the other way

I agree gerrymandering effects results, but only because people don't vote, it's easily overridden if people would vote. As a whole, gerrymandering doesn't effect a vote by the majority of electorate People don't vote, that means they vote for whoever wins, their choice, it's their vote; they're voting for the corruption

That's the popular vote, that's not the majority of the electorate

The house majority will always be able to be decided by the majority of the electorate as well Judges are not the end of the line either; they make a decision, we can change the law, remove a judge The worse things get the more people will vote left, you get a super majority you do whatever you want.

More votes were cast is about the majority of voters not the majority of electorate, trump won the majority of electorate(eligible voters) although he lost the popular vote The majority of the electorate chose that legislature as a whole, therefore chose the corrupt judges,.... popular vote does not mean majority Your vote does matter in a gerrymandered district, that's why they think they need to gerrymander the district If the majority of the electorate vote a way, that's the way it goes, no matter how much gerrymandering.

If by like her like that, you mean willing to have a sexual relationship, that's with any woman I'm friends with. After getting to know her I'm no longer interested in a romantic relationship, sexual sure. You answered my question though, thanks. She may not want it, despite the signals I perceive. I think the day trip will clear it up either way.

We have a healthy friendship based on mutual interest, I'm not pushing for anything romantic, I turned that off when she told me she had a boyfriend, but monogamy isn't as popular as it used to be. She's early 20s by the way, the exploration years.

That doesn't mean you can say it can't be true, that'd be you doing the same thing you're accusing them of.

We'd never know it

We're not missing half the pieces of the puzzle, we don't know ANYTHING, and we know we don't know anything. A theory is more a question than a fact.

I don't see anyone saying they shouldn't be questioned except you by saying they can't be true, they're theories of course they shouldn't be accepted as fact. Science is not about beliefs, it's about asking why. Infinite regress is a belief based on a belief, that's anti science, science doesn't give answers, it asks questions.

I'm not pushing it I am backed off, she just seems to be sending me signals. I'm sure I could have sex with her. I'm sensing she may want that in the relationship, but if it's just her hormones I'm not interested.

Gerrymandering can never override a majority, when the right goes too far, the left will grow a majority. It's a self regulating system. Gerrymandering is nothing to be afraid of, it's just stupid bullshit to do, it can only have short term effect.

I don't think materialism was celebrated, greed is usually and has been from fear. Competition It's not competition, it's stealing from others, lying to others, that kills personal integrity which I think is what builds a strong community. No one seriously in the materialism delusion trusts anyone, that kills community I don't mean the world had a liberal time(except pre civilization), I mean it has gotten much more liberal recently.