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It's the" do your best to avoid hell" and "beneficial direction" parts. It sounds like pure fear motivation to me. The attempt to do it isn't wrong, the thing for me is the motivation.

No I don't see it causing a big problem, don't see how it would.

I can't think of anyone I've met in my life that I consider really mature, this effects me by avoiding relationships with some people, I also think most people aren't intelligent as well which has the same effect. I imagine I gained these unrealistic views from media. Any suggestions on overcoming these or thoughts on this? Thank you I know of the spiritual teachings about how this sort of thing can be beneficial because it puts a wedge between you falling in line with society which allows you to focus on spirituality, but I feel far enough along in spirituality that I can return to integrate more in society, and I want sincere unforced intimate relationships which is hindered by my judgement. Integrating my shadow/ego with this doesn't seem like the trick.

True, it's not causing me real problems I just don't like that I'm judgmental sometimes, it gets in the way, I guess it may just be shadow/ego integration then, accepting that I'm sometimes judgmental, I guess I'm aware I am and that it's based on unrealistic ideas so it's just something to integrate or process Thanks

I actually have healthy relationships right now, including a girlfriend, I just feel like this is a wall that's holding me back in ways. But what you're saying is very helpful, thank you

I'm not saying global birth rate, marriage, or percentage of romantic relationships isn't down. That's obviously empirical data. I don't think couples were as close as they are now on average, is all I'm saying, I think we have better relationships Your video is "crash is coming", sounds like catastrophizing to me. I don't see a problem with declining population

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The "which are desirable and which are not" Desire, as in the outcome you want right?

I didn't say it's wrong or bad, and the influencing things is not the part I put any emphasis on, yeah influence things, that's life.

In this right here what you wrote, you don't see a compulsion to control an outcome? (want to survive, don't want civilization to collapse)

I think it's okay to say Daniel is offering something you or he wants to try, the problem I gleen is the compulsion to try to control an outcome, it's like you're saying there's a right and wrong way forward. The boat is that there's not a "right" way forward

We decide what we want to try, we don't decide what happens

Yeah, you're missing the boat. A few problems -This implies we can control or decide our direction -This implies we should want to control or decide our direction

Is there are larger primal incentive than life or death?

You all think you could get society to go along with what Schmachtenberger sells? They wouldn't even take a simple vaccine for a virus that killed their neighbors. A vaccine like the previous 100 they took

Yeah, I think it's fine in the states. Worry sells though, we're bombarded with the negative parts Just go find someone to love

Couples are doing better than ever, never before in recorded history has there been more intimacy and openness and connection in romantic relationships. You're focusing on the negative, a few countries in transitions. https://www.prb.org › resources › is... Is Fertility Rising in Countries With Low Birth Rates? | PRB Figure 1 shows three of the eight countries with definite signs of a rising TFR (Estonia, Iceland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Not that marriage or birth rates are a metric to worry about Here I think

I think you're both catastrophizing, go to a local park, couples are doing better than ever. Just quit thinking so much

@Oeaohoo I think he misses the boat as well

I took no offense, I appreciate the passion and openness

Awesome! Just try to enjoy the experience

I thought he did, it sounded like all the old traditional stuff to me, I got the impression he's a conventional muslim

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There's a advice guy I'll recommend you, Tate. I don't support an ideology I support people thinking for themselves and deciding for themselves