Devin

Exactly.

That would be the man being submissive; only looking to do something for the woman. Do you think that's how the Taliban treat their marriage?

@Carl-Richard What is ultimately 'needed' In the grand scheme? Love. Does anything else actually make a difference? And how can you truly Love? No-self To me love/no-self is 'peter pan fun' and 'serious adult work'.

The sole provider part isn't what bothers me at all, I don't see where I alluded to that at all. Just wondering if it is a friendship, I don't see how it possibly could be. I think it's clear the man makes out more in that type of relationship than woman, it's not like he would buy what she wants, she'd just be a food vending machine and a hole. Buying her fancy stuff he doesn't care about would be him being the submissive one, he'd tell her what to wear and how to act.

Yeah I'm more concerned with whether the man gets anything more out of the relationship than just the utility value of having a submissive woman. I don't see it being a friendship, more like a relationship of a younger kid following a much older kid, or a boss and employee.

@John PaulMy understanding of what I've read on here, what is in question, is not just about a slight imbalance of relational power where the man is just the lead but still confers with the woman, I take what is being said as what you might expect to see in Taliban Afghanistan, the woman is highly submissive.

I fully believe most women want that, despite saying otherwise, I'm more interested in the man's experience.

Well you said submission from humility, that means submitting to her man's decisions, if she agrees with the decision that's not submission.

In a scenario where she essentially has no say? Where she will follow you, but voices concerns that go unconsidered? Eventually just stopping voicing concerns.

Alright, I'm asking more in terms of an established relationship such as a marriage. Yeah early dating I think I completely agree.

Do you discuss and decide decisions with her? To me without that it seems you would lose most of the sense of a friendship in the relationship.

I don't really see a distinction but I was just referring to this comment where he said we don't have free health care Yes we pay a ridiculous amount, it also correlates with how ridiculously unhealthy Americans are.

Yeah, say you earned it, is she still like a friend to you? Do you enjoy her as a friend, not just her utility value and the sex. My view of romantic relationships is an intimate friendship, the man is more dominant but both work as a team in making decisions.

I think he's actually being sincere, don't get me wrong I agree with your female analysis, but he has a fairly uncommon way of looking at romantic relationships, sort of the old 'women are completely subordinate' thing.

Yeah, "sold out" just seems as scammy as the cards themselves, he will obviously milk this thing dry with future releases of new sets.

My understanding is mostly anecdotal

You're WAY off man, it's 100% accessible. Our country moves as the majority of people see fit, you just don't like to believe you could be wrong about issues like everyone wanting a 'free' health system, we don't want that. Why would i want a health system that sucks? I see the people that go through it, I have no fears about it at all if I need it.

Best healthcare system in the world by far, leading health science, people come here for care, not the other way around. Every citizen has equal say

There are no wage slaves in the U.S.. I said "freer" not "free". The internet, the airplane, electricity, telephones; all of these came from private enterprise What has China created?

I'm not an elitist and I don't want a 'free' healthcare system, and I don't know one person in real life that does. The people rule the U.S..

Yes we're free, ZERO% wage slaves, that's all fallacy. Slavery means involuntary, the problem here is ignorant servitude. I don't mean China is not doing well, it is just it stymies innovation and creativity compared to a freer market

Natives would call Red Progressive, Red would try leading them or forcing them from their traditions.

Both meanings of the term liberal were being used, which I thought was causing some muddling of the conversation.

With communism the Musk's would likely not get the abundance of money or resources he has to play with, it would be distributed by bureaucrats and for their desired ventures.

Do you know your links poverty line is $1.90 a day? China partnered with the West. Where would China be without the west? North Korea USSR, yes they did those things, by enslaving the country, which keeps the trend from continuing for very long.