Devin

I assume you're aware of what you eat, but there are underlying health conditions that present with those side effects.

I don't think the child will mix in well with their peers, so I'm thinking there should be a heavy concentration of teaching about socialization. I'm wondering if that along with peaceful living and plenty of meditation will be enough to where the potential isolation is not too much for a child. It's almost like you could rob them of their childhood by being conscious, and I don't even mean by teaching spirituality, I think Maslow's Needs is important to follow in order. Just you being conscious could make their peer group be less appealing, I think it would be critically important to show them how to enjoy being with unconscious people.

Just enjoy life man, sincere enjoyment, whatever that means for you is your life purpose, it's as much finding yourself as it is finding a 'purpose'.

My question is spurred by my curiosity from some discussion I've read in other posts, I think @NoSelfSelf has alluded to it a few times if you don't mind discussing it. In relationships where the woman is highly submissive, do you as the man consider the woman a friend? Do you enjoy her as a friend? I come from the new age equality era, and when I try to imagine this relationship I get the sense it is a cold one. I see how it would and has worked for millennia, it just feels like you'd be missing out to me.

Enjoying being with her for other than sex and her making food and babies, enjoying a conversation about personal interests, being playful with each other, caring about each others challenges, worries, feelings, and aspirations and discussing them.

Yeah, something about the insanity; a lot of them don't actually believe the same things, you'll hear clear contradictions in that camp from different people, they just don't argue with each other or denounce each other, like a sport's team's fanatics. They will surely implode and divide, infight, that's a big part of what they are. The reason you see the large social media presence is that's their life, healthier people don't dedicate their lives to fighting trolls.

So you do think there would be a noticable element of friendship in that marriage?

I won't, I don't care

My question is; do you see friendship in that relationship? That is not a debate

I'm asking a simple question, not debating a god damn thing.

@John Paul I don't expect many people to be able to answer my curiosity, that's why I mentioned noselfself, I doubt you carry the view I'm asking about.

I agree. It's not a jab. Submissive Relationship per Devin; Guy does not consider what woman wants. What's your definition?

Well that's what my damn thread is about, start your own damn thread if you don't like it. I asked in highly submissive relationships LIKE THE TALIBAN, is there friendship. Alpha and all that bullshit has nothing to do with this question AT ALL, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. You're going back on ignore.

They've always been there, they just got a publicized leader. Their bark is worse than their bite, and most aren't much crazier than the average person. Don't group them all as the same.

I view them as like a mixture of superstitious, sports fanatics, and afraid for their life. Consider the crowd of a Roman Circus.

Exactly.

That would be the man being submissive; only looking to do something for the woman. Do you think that's how the Taliban treat their marriage?

@Carl-Richard What is ultimately 'needed' In the grand scheme? Love. Does anything else actually make a difference? And how can you truly Love? No-self To me love/no-self is 'peter pan fun' and 'serious adult work'.

The sole provider part isn't what bothers me at all, I don't see where I alluded to that at all. Just wondering if it is a friendship, I don't see how it possibly could be. I think it's clear the man makes out more in that type of relationship than woman, it's not like he would buy what she wants, she'd just be a food vending machine and a hole. Buying her fancy stuff he doesn't care about would be him being the submissive one, he'd tell her what to wear and how to act.

Yeah I'm more concerned with whether the man gets anything more out of the relationship than just the utility value of having a submissive woman. I don't see it being a friendship, more like a relationship of a younger kid following a much older kid, or a boss and employee.

@John PaulMy understanding of what I've read on here, what is in question, is not just about a slight imbalance of relational power where the man is just the lead but still confers with the woman, I take what is being said as what you might expect to see in Taliban Afghanistan, the woman is highly submissive.

I fully believe most women want that, despite saying otherwise, I'm more interested in the man's experience.

Well you said submission from humility, that means submitting to her man's decisions, if she agrees with the decision that's not submission.

In a scenario where she essentially has no say? Where she will follow you, but voices concerns that go unconsidered? Eventually just stopping voicing concerns.

Alright, I'm asking more in terms of an established relationship such as a marriage. Yeah early dating I think I completely agree.