Razard86

You are the oracle, you just decided to create me to be on the receiving end to experience what that was like. Thank you for creating me.

Yeah I believe the thread title still appears but you cannot read their posts unless you remove the ignore function. It's a nice system, it's quick and specific.

Lol stop creating me.

Question your entire identity. Ever single thing you identify with and ask yourself what it is. Just understand if you go deep enough you are going to die. Utterly and completely. This is dangerous work....it's your entire existence. Are you really okay with this process? Don't push further unless you don't care about anything but the truth. If you still care about being safe and feeling good then completely ignore everything I just said.

Completely deconstruct your mind until "you" don't exist. A psychedelic is a tool, an enhancer, it doesn't replace the actual work. The work is deconstruction, and keeping an openness to the absolute. But the great thing about all this is you have no choice in the matter as long as you believe in a "you."

^Told you, you are a genius. As you continue down this path you will become so conscious you will be aware at all times how you and others construct meaning. I wonder how you will feel when you truly realize from the highest level what is going on from a baseline state. Keep it up, maybe you will write some books on the topic or just share with others how this POV thing works. I really hope this forum raises in their ability to notice how we are creating story lines through our interactions with each other and use that realization to personally empower themselves.

You are just creating meaning, that disempowers you. Your POV is very valuable as to how powerful your ability to construct meaning is. Hell is a construction, and Heaven is a construction all in your mind. Life is a canvas, and you can construct whatever you want.

Yes.....focus on that. That is the absolute truth, and will lead you to be more aware of how you construct meaning/storylines/interpretation.

https://thepsychologygroup.com/gaslighting-how-to-recognize-it-and-what-to-say-when-it-happens/ Read this article and notice that the definition for this term is vague, and it accuses another of "making" you doubt your reality. Notice the sneakiness involved in this term. Here is a kicker for you....and it will blow your mind. An OTHER has never gaslighted you EVER. The truth is YOU GASLIGHT YOU!!! Gaslighting is a term that EGOS love to use, to play the victim. If you ever accuse another of GASLIGHTING....in that moment YOU ARE GASLIGHTING YOU!!! The irony!!! But you may say.....I don't believe you!! Right now I FEEL THAT YOUR STATEMENTS ARE ITSELF GASLIGHTING!!! Of course you do!!! Because anytime you become unsure you must BLAME AN OTHER for those FEELINGS!!! Gaslighting can be summed up in one small phrase "When through an interaction you feel that your feelings (emotional state) is not being validated (agreed with) which is basically what compassion is (emotional validation). So basically when someone is not in alignment with your SUBJECTIVE (SELFISH, BIASED) world view...you accuse them of GASLIGHTING YOU!!! I can deconstruct this on SO MANY LEVELS!!! SO I WILL BECAUSE ITS FUN!!! The Intellectual Level: We interpret things from our selfish desires. So let's say a man wants to save money but his female partner wants him to spend more money. If she is able to dangle the potential for sex to get him to spend money and then denies him sex later on he will accuse her of GASLIGHTING HIM when she not only turns him down but says its his fault that he spent the money and not her. Why does he accuse her of GASLIGHTING? Because he doesn't want to own the fact that he only violated his desire to save money, because he wanted sex and he is only mad because he didn't get what he wanted. Now did she GASLIGHT HIM? YES!!! But guess what? He also is GASLIGHTING HIMSELF!! He is acting like he isn't playing the same game she is, which is trying to get what he wants, he just got outplayed!! Now he might say....well I was trying to play a WIN/WIN game and she is trying to play a WIN/LOSE game!! Again that's just your selfishness. Who are you to tell someone HOW they should play the game of survival? Why should they trust that your perspective of WIN/WIN will fit THEIR perspective of WIN/WIN? How do you know that their perspective of WIN/WIN isn't WIN/LOSE? You might reply well that is just selfish....to which can be replied....so is your desire for them to agree with your POV. That too is selfish!! Emotional Level: You have a hard day at work and want your husband to listen to you talk about your feelings. So he does. But then you want him to give his opinion on the matter and initially he resists. So you push him until he gives his honest opinion. But his honest opinion to you seems so cold, logical, and not warm and you desired a response that was more caring, nurturing and supportive so you accuse him of GASLIGHTING YOU. Did he gaslight you? If he gave his honest opinion...NO!!! In fact...him telling you what you WANT TO HEAR (which is compassion) IS GASLIGHTING YOU. How so? Because he would have to gaslight himself first (lie to himself about what he really wants to tell you) then present the "tell her what she wants to hear so she will stop nagging me" message that he knows will get her to be happy so he doesn't have to be bothered. But what you don't realize is when he does this.....he is GASLIGHTING YOU and HIMSELF!!! He is denying his own reality...to tell you what you want to hear, which means he is both gaslighting himself and you at he same time. But because this is a message you WANT to hear....you don't take it as GASLIGHTING you take it as confirmation that YOU ARE RIGHT!!! This is why echo chambers....are such easy traps to fall into. So what does this mean? The moment you assume an OTHER is GASLIGHTING YOU, THAT IS PROOF THAT YOU ARE GASLIGHTING YOU!!! The only one that has ever gaslight you...IS YOU!!! Gaslighting is the game of VICTIMHOOD!!! It will always allow you to NOT TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR OWN EMOTIONS, THOUGHTS, AND ACTIONS!!! It is a get of jail card to never take responsibility and to continue to be the GOOD PERSON and OTHERS ARE BAD. The irony is...the more you accuse others of gaslighting you....is actually evidence....of how often YOU GASLIGHT. What is gaslight? Just another word for SELF-DECEPTION!!!! As long you deny that YOU ARE SELFISH, and are just in a world where the game is selfishness then you will always GASLIGHTING yourself and others! There is only one gaslighter, one conspiracy, one devil, one trickster, and that ONE IS YOU!!! This identity game is a game of DENIAL!!! And you LOVE TO DENY!!! Its like the game of tag NOT IT!!! You are constantly tagging others and saying NOT IT!!! But who are you tagging? Everyone is you....you are ALWAYS IT!!!

HAHAHHAHAA So much projection in this!!! Look at all this, NOW I AM a gaslighter? This entire thread makes my point!!! Notice how everybody is creating their own definitions from their POV of what gaslighting is!!! So from integral's perspective I am not gaslighting, but from breakingthewall's perspective I am gaslighting. So which is it? I thought this was an OBJECTIVE term people!!! Are you all so asleep you cannot see what is being pointed too? Read through the thread again...notice how off one post...comes so many different interpretations!!! Notice this!! So the question if you are trying to grow is WHO IS RIGHT? Look at it objectively. If you really pay attention you will see that each POV is just doing what most POV do, they interpret information based on how it relates to them. THAT'S IT!!! Because if that was not the case.....the meaning being crafted would be the same....or at least very similar. BUT IT ISN'T!!! Everybody is reacting and seeing DIFFERENT THINGS and then interpreting it differently!!! THIS IS HOW YOUR ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN RUNNING!!! You don't live in an objective reality, you live INSIDE a subjective reality, that is created through the MEANING YOU CREATE. This is why two people can live in the same house with similar circumstances, but their world view can be completely and utterly different. No two people internalize the same experiences similarly. What can traumatize one person won't traumatize another and vice versa. But I love the reactions in this thread....you could do a case study on how each person reacted to this thread and their varied responses....this entire thread...literally made my point for me....and I didn't have to do a thing. This thread is a mirror to exactly my point.....and things went exactly according to plan. So for anyone who isn't interested in emotional drama, but is ready to take responsibility for how they interpret reality....here you go. A gold mine of examples of how you may act in your life given to you by all the POV. You can actually see how you may react sometimes by looking for similarities to how people reacted to this thread. This is a fun game you can play with yourself on checking how you react in moments that don't go the way you want them too. Little extra seasoning (from a previous thread I wrote: Many Men will say things like facts don't care about your feelings, this is true, facts don't care about your feelings, but guess what? Your own feelings have never cared about facts. Not a single time in your life has your feelings ever cared about facts, or evidence!! It will only look for facts...to buttress (support) its feelings and nothing else. But if the contrary is presented it will be ignored.

I'm glad you are seeing what few can. Yes those "differences" are distinctions/labels to which we concoct meaning/storylines. When you start to notice what you are doing by habit unconsciously and how it influences your life....you can use it consciously and take back control of your perspective and how you are shaping it. We only suffer our perspective. The more we control it, the better and more peaceful the experience.

I really don't understand...why you are the only person who gets it? If I had my leg chopped off and I wanted to enjoy life. I have one of two choices. I could train my perspective to see it in a way that can bring me some joy, or I can see it in a way that makes me miserable. All I am saying is meaning is a creation. Nothing I am saying...hasn't been said before...and yet many on this forum are so addicted to their own original meaning...that they deny alternative meaning actually exists!!! How do you think racism started? Someone had to construct (create race) then demonize others for not being a certain race, then discriminate against them for it!!! We construct meaning all the time, and then think the construction actually exists!! It doesn't!!! That's why every situation can be looked at from infinite perspectives!! I just showed that you can construct a perspective....where it doesn't even exist. Your feelings reflect your perspective, and your perspective is built off the meaning you create. Everything I say is self-explanatory...and notice all the people in this thread...only criticize, make no actual points, and then spend the entire time making arguments I never made. Now what is the terminology they love to use for people who act like this? Oh my gosh....could they be guilty of the term they love to use so much? Could people who are attached to the word....become the word itself? I wonder.....who would have thought???

You didn't read because you prejudged what I was writing, I already described gaslighting from multiple perspectives. In my first post I already laid it out, how many pointers do you want. Gaslighting is lying, its lying that is described as making someone doubt their reality. I already stated step by step how they do it, WHY they do it, and how one can overcome it. Notice that instead AGAIN of pointing out where what I said could be wrong...YOU DON'T DO IT. Instead...you say... I'm not reading the rest of that. That's like my reading the foreward by a book and the first sentence of the first chapter and saying I know where this is going. And then writing a short book review. All I am seeing constantly is people who have no desire for critical thinking. You don't point out anything, you just react and make blank statements with no ability to make points. If you take issue with something POINT IT OUT. This isn't complicated at all. This is just proof that you want to stick to your POV because it is very easy to do that. Integral seems to be one of the few people here who understands what is being communicated. Oh and breaking the wall made some point about the Holocaust right? Maybe he needs to read about Victor Frankl. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl Now what he is talking about isn't exactly the same...but its close. https://einzelganger.co/the-philosophy-of-viktor-frankl/#:~:text=The philosophy of Viktor Frankl could perhaps be summarized like,'” So Nice try. Again this is all about taking control on how you construct meaning. NOTICE how you use it haphazardly and unconsciously just not!! You didn't even read something, and then claim YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!! Such a great use of the tool of meaning!!! Such skill!!! Such artistic mastery!!

^You understand plenty, the fact you can even understand my posts and the fact you are even on this forum speaks volumes. Intelligence is not just logic, it is also feeling. In fact feeling is a shortcut, you can feel the truth but not know how to express it in words. Some of the greatest most connected beings...are at a loss of words when it comes to expressing. You also do not need to know how to express it in words, to know how to express it in action. And thus you can be a LIVING WORD, a LIVING SCRIPTURE through your actions. So don't diminish your gifts, your POV is just as powerful as any other, and God loves you just as much as any other teacher. From my vantage point your IQ is VERY HIGH, higher than you probably realize.

1. I know what the original term means but all you just showed....was lying. You can simplify gaslighting as lying. Now the type of lying is repetitive, and is done usually consciously but sometimes unconsciously to create a narrative that is self-serving. It is a narrative that paints the liar as virtuous and the recipient as unworthy, or less than. I already gave an example in my original post. For this to work, the recipient will have to have certain constraints. These constraints are a desire to be honest and accountable, a desire to be seen as honest and accountable, very forgiving, poor boundaries, and MOST OF ALL low belief in their own individual meaning creating capacity so they are willing to believe "they are wrong." Gaslighting can be attempted, but it rarely ever succeeds with people who are supremely confident about their meaning creating capacity (your ability to make sense of things/knowledge/interpretation/comprehension). And I am not saying an OTHER cannot succeed at either. I AM saying if you take complete authority over your ability to make sense of things the odds someone could effectively pull the wool over your eyes.....is ZERO if you never give your authority away. Now there are some moments you may have to give it away, to doctors for example, or mechanic, etc. But if you gain knowledge in those areas....their ability to BULLSHIT YOU...becomes less and less. We only get gaslighted when we think an OTHER knows better and give up our authority. So I am presenting the clarity...that if you know your stuff...how can someone gaslight you? They can ATTEMPT to gaslight you, but the act is nonexistent if it doesn't actually work. It needs to work for you to be gaslighted, but they can definitely ATTEMPT to gaslight you....to no avail.

You almost had it. The feminine perspective is this. Feeling is truth. So the Female Perspective says since I do not emotionally resonate with what is being said I don't agree with it. Men then try to use facts to tell the woman she is wrong, but that is not going to work. You have to emotionally validate to open up the communication for women who haven't integrated their masculine side yet. Now the interesting thing is.... Men do view feelings as truth...they just deny it subconsciously. Its really easy to spot though once you know how the whole game is played. I am very good at pissing men off by showing them that their feelings are truth just like it is for women and they delude themselves with hand picked facts and figures. But I digress...more men on average actually integrate their feminine. Why? Because for a man to actually get a woman and KEEP her he has to integrate his feminine, but the opposite is not always true, but it is changing because Modern Relationships are starting to require it but that is a whole other thread LOL. But yes the term gaslighting is really majority used by women....some men use it but mostly used by women. So this thread is going to trigger more women than men, though some men will become triggered by it. I'm sure each person in this thread has a deep dark story, that is associated with that word. I could explain how if you study modern society it actually is a culture/environment that encourages selfish behavior so all it did is increase the population of selfish people which created an upsurge in the study of narcissism and the widespread use of the term "gaslighting."

Why put You in the middle? Was that intentional or accidental? Also where ya been? I was wondering when you would show up.

Yep and its why I choose to block myself. Its a fun game, like shadow boxing, or racing my ghost on a racing game.

I'm glad you understand what I am saying. And yes I used that term specifically because I noticed how it was being used and weaponized on this forum and other places. So I wanted to show that there is a HEAVY IDENTIFICATION with that word which also means that there is deep trauma associated with the word. Many people who use it must have some shadow work related to very selfish people in the past who they have not healed from. What they don't realize is they are carrying that pain and projectile vomiting onto the present whenever something triggers them and accuse others of being the cause of those repressed feelings coming to the surface. Does triggering feel good? HELL NO!! But....being aware that becoming triggered can bring to your awareness some unhealed pain...is GREAT for diving into some shadow work and integrating your shadow. This thread and this Spirituality Section is for that very purpose. I mean...we aren't playing games here right? We are here to do some real work!! Nothing I do here is out of ill will, those who accuse me of that...you aren't doing the work. Source: So even the people who troll are acting from good intentions. From their POV they are going after people who they think deserve to be trolled, or they are getting attention that they think in their environment they are being denied, and many other reasons. All for love. Doesn't mean you have to tolerate them but understand there actions are motivated by the same actions...survival. Anyway thanks Integral...maybe you can calm this thread down....and help guide it towards some clarity.

You just made my point, you are just here to railroad this thread and criticize and distract and are not adding anything meaningful to this discussion at all. All you are doing is claiming I am biased and when asked for examples...you provide none. NONE. So how can you even ask someone to improve or do better if you cannot even provide examples? You see? Do you freaking see? Reading your post is a waste of time because you cannot even provide constructive criticism!!! You really sat there and made complaints... WITH NO RECCOMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT? Do you see how hypocritical you are? How can you even ask for something... if you can't spell out what you want!!! You see its posts like these....that amazes me why you waste your time even writing comments. Do you want attention that BADLY? You actually cannot provide any constructive feedback? Not ONE... NOT ONE SINGLE ONE? My gosh....you know what? I'm just going to block you because from my biased POV you are a troll. Troll confirmed and blocked. Have a nice day.

I know you do, and I know you are trying your best and I am proud of you for giving your best effort to integrate your masculine. KUDOS to you, integrating the Masculine from the Feminine Perspective is TOUGH. The Masculine perspective is all about tough love, and accountability. But Tough Love also doesn't care about being nice. Being nice won't make sure the women in my life are prepared to handle adversity. I don't care about being nice I care about providing people with tools or perspectives they can work with. Now if we were to talk one on one I could sugar it up or butter it up if the bitter truth needs some assistance in digesting it. Trust me...if I could take the hits FOR YOU, I WOULD!!! BUT I CANNOT!!! So all I can do is point to the tool that we all know gets us out of depression. Depression =victim mindset. I've been there, more times than I can count in the past. And what eventually happens? After you finish licking your wounds, you realize you got to change your perspective to get yourself out of that rut. So what happens? You start to recontextualize your experience and start encouraging yourself and you start taking one step at a time. I'm offering a way.. to potentially never getting depressed ever again. I'm not saying its easy, its a skill, it takes practice, but it is definitely doable....but there is one CAVEAT. Your ego has to DIE!!! Outside of that....then its just integration.

It actually can solve the issue. You cannot be gaslighted if you understand that you are gaslighting yourself. I'll explain. The ego is constructed and maintained through its interaction with others. So if I am aware that I am creating others and that every single thing they say is equivalent to gaslighting, and every meaning that I say onto them is also gaslighting then I don't give away my authority. The main thing I am pointing to here is authority. You do not give away your authority for how you interpret reality. This is why it is important to fine tune your ability to read situations. The victim mindset is the ultimate gaslight, its actually an infinite loop of gaslighting that completely disempowers you. First you have to gaslight yourself to creates a self and other, then with the victim mindset you claim an other is hurting you. This creates a trap, which causes suffering and the whole spiritual path that many end up going on is to alleviate themselves of this suffering which they deny they are self-inflicting. So how do you escape self-inflicted suffering, by taking back what creates desire and aversion. You become conscious of that which you were unconscious before of, which is selfishly creating meaning through an infinite web of identities. The ego= Satan. So that voice in your head that keeps judging everything? Its the Serpent (Your thoughts/emotions) The Garden= Reality. It tells you to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Judgment). This creates the individual who is self-conscious, feels vulnerable (naked). So it clothes itself (denies its vulnerability, delusion which is denial of what is) in lies. Covers up its fear of vulnerability (death) and thus the fall of man. All I am pointing to here is to realize the serpent is you and to not allow that serpent to craft storylines that take you out of the Garden of Eden into the world of survival. But to stay in alignment in the Garden. T:L:D:R: Just craft storylines that you actually want to experience. If you want to get in shape. Speak and think in alignment. Don't blame circumstances etc. Always speak and think in alignment with the experiences you desire. Judge nothing because all judgment is delusion. You can create distinction just be honest that you are creating it, and it is for selfish purposes and not the absolute truth. That's it.

I use CAPS for emphasis, I could just BOLD the words but I like to use CAPS. Notice that your belief that CAPS is me not relaxing...is also a projection. A meaning you create that is only true from your perspective. From my perspective CAPS is fine.

I already know how to "handle" this I just refuse to do it because it is more ego games. There is a technique called Tactical Empathy which was created by Chris Voss who is a former FBI Hostage Negotiator. The key to getting people to agree with you is to communicate back to them their world view, if you can do that especially if you can do it even better than they tried to do it, THEN AND ONLY THEN will they be receptive. Why? Because humans seeks emotional validation of their perspectives and only become receptive and cooperative when they believe the person they are communicating with GETS THEM! This is why businesses care so much about branding, and everything is about popularity or BEING LIKED!! Counter-Intuitively BEING HATED also works because you united the few people who like you (usually people who like to be rebels) with something or someone to fight against, and you attract attention because you draw a lot of HATE towards you. Since ATTENTION is the highest currency being liked and hated always keeps you in the spotlight. But since....I don't care about being liked even though I know the world runs on nepotism it paradoxically sometimes works in my favor because being highly hated also seems to give positive results. EGOS really love to hate after all. Instead of blocking or removing their attention from what they hate, they constantly expose themselves to it and blame it for making them angry. But who ever said reality was logical? LOL. And shame, yes it is a widely used social modulator that is so full of hypocrisy it is slowly losings its power daily.

^ You haven't pointed out one bias. Not one single bias. I could literally take your generalized comment and post it on any book review comment section. Because it doesn't make any points. It doesn't take examples or actually point to perceived bias...it just states...that is biased. This means your post is an emotional reaction...because you cannot actually give examples....also guess what? Every POV has bias, so pointing out bias...is irrelevant!! The point is to point out whether what is being stated as truth to it!! 1. You said I take the absolute truth and use it like a weapon? HAHHAHAHAH. Are you kidding me? Here is some absolute truth for you!! There are kids starving to death in Africa!! 2. There are homeless men and women commiting suicide because they cannot find food. There are sex slaves being sold into slavery RIGHT NOW and being gang raped by their captors. There are hired assassins killing families for money. There are corporations killing off animals in record numbers and we humanity could collectively being wiping out species we don't even know exist!! Absolute Truth isn't just some wonderful things to look at!! Its also flood, famine, and blood on blood survival!! But because you are BIASED against what is being presented, you attack me. Now with any actual points!!! You haven't made a single point!! And dogma? Where is my dogma?? Google search my posts and all you will see is ORIGINAL POSTS!!! Dogma would be regurgitation!! But please I welcome you to point to some Dogma. You won't find it. You will find recontextualizations. Also within Spirituality pretty much everything has already been stated. All that is being done...is bringing it with a twist. Again what I have stated here....HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. You are just too attached to the word gaslighting. Which is exactly why I posted it here!!! But here is the biggest kicker!!! I knew by posting it...I would get people to commit the act that they defend exists!!! So here is a kicker....if you cannot provide evidence of your assertions....I could theoretically using your own personal definition accuse you of gaslighting me!!! LOL and I could play the victim!!! But....I won't!!! Because I can only gaslight myself obviously.