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My whole life I felt a little bit out of place for how little social interaction I need to be happy. Yes there is a risk many people liking solitude are bypassing something. So you really have to be honest and look deep inside. But yes, there is a possibility that one's particular brain, personality is that of "lone wolf". I felt gaslighted for years by society, always feeling a little bit ashamed. And I remember some few years ago I watched netflix documentary "Chimp empire" about different chimps, apes, bonobos, gorrillas and their social interactions. It was mindblowing how they resemble human behaviours. And even among chimps there are less social individuals. But especially Orangutans are very solitary. They spend about 90% alone. Let's embrace our inner Orangutans for those that it genuinely resonates. Don't be gaslighted/conditioned into believing you NEED socializing BECAUSE YOU ARE HUMAN. Humans are so so complex and diverse. Genuinely check within what do you want. And don't get stuck in any end of the spectrum as your identity. One day you can be a social bonobo, another day you can be a lone orangutan. Lol. So I kinda want to defend @Leo Gura here. The message of "people are so important in life" or "happiness only true when shared" or "humans are social apes" etc. - you can find it anywhere, any family member will agree, any movie, it is engrained in our culture, it is the default. So it was very very valuable to hear Leo clearly speak about how much bullshit there is in socializing culture, and actually open a way to fully question it and actually think for myself regardless of culture. We rarelly speak how much unnecesarry suffering may be created for naturally solitary people feeling slightly ashamed of their introversion by the very harsh social default of our culture.

This is pure Gold Leo. One of your best post on the forum! So simple and so deep. Much love.

So in the total formlessness can there be pain at all? Or in it;s purest form God is so Formless that even the form of pain cannot arrise as something unpleasant.

God is so unbiased that he cannot have any aversion towards pain whatsoever? Can God even feel pain at all? Or he feels it but is so unbiased that it is not really pain to him?

I still can't wrap my head around into how Infinite Goodness generates the world with such potential for suffering. I know it is infinitely good and I know there is infinite potential for suffering but I can't grasp the mechanics of it. Is it that Goodness wants to explore/imagine physicality/materialism and how it is to be "in a body" and this necessitates the mechanism of pain receptors and suffering so that embodied life is sustained? Or are the horrors imagine not as necessity in creation but more as beutiful aspects to explore on it's own?

Yeah. And what is a defense mechanism if not imagining/creating reality to be a way that i am able to accept according to my survival agenda.

Those two comments being posted next to each other is a beautifull lesson on it's own. See how your Mind creates Beauty and Inteligence or lack thereof. You can program your mind to see more beauty and genuineness or you can program it to be more sceptical and distrusting. Both of users just saw pixels on the screen.

@Leo Gura suggests that even if postmodernism is largely true, there can still be a hierarchy of perspectives: some perspectives are more inclusive, more coherent, more robust, and better at understanding others. From this view, certain perspectives are “better” because they help humanity flourish or function more effectively. My question is: if we accept that all value judgments are ultimately relative, doesn’t claiming that some perspectives are “better” already assume hidden values—like wanting humanity/human consciousness to survive or flourish? If we strip away those assumptions, isn’t the notion of a hierarchy of perspectives ultimately just a game of aesthetics or preference? How can we justify saying one perspective is truly better, rather than just different? In Absolute Truth it does not matter and @Leo Gura is just playing a game inside his Absolute Dream of helping humanity align to higher order perspective - but there is ultimately nothing Good about it. It is not more perfect than Trump spreading his egotistical patterns. Even though we can agree Leo's perspective is of better quality, understanding, scope, consciousness etc. - still - we cannot say it is Better. Because it is Love/Dream/Nothingness/Void anyway. Or maybe Leo will lead humanity to flourish but because of that humanity will in the future kill some alien species that is actually more inteligent/loving than humanity - so wouldn't that make /Teaching Humanity higher order perspectives/ actually a bad thing to happen in the relative dream looking retrospectively? Can we really escape the Absolute Relativism or in the end it is true but we can just choose more beautiful aesthetics?

Ultimately these are just aspects of The Mind that are simultaneous - but just for fun of contemplation - there seem to be two stories happening. God is so unconditionally loving that he allows even the worst of sufferings to occur. He is so unbiased that he can love even that. There is some aspect of eros/bdsm when you think of God willing into existence the suffering and loving it. But also there is an aspect of God as ultimate deceiver. Kind of like when we are just lying on the back and daydreaming, and even though we can literally think of heaven and paradise often in our imaginations we go to some scary places. We imagine suffering of others, children in Gaza/Africa. So we literally create a universe in our mind full of suffering when we could only have been thinking good thoughts instead. Is there an aspect of God being lost in daydreaming? @Leo Gura How do you reconcile these two? How can god be at the same time Infinitely Inteligent and Good and yet actively imagine world of suffering. Whenever I am more conscious and inteligent I tend to have less negative daydreaming and more positive daydreaming. Is God more BDSM lover (as well as Lover of anything else obviously) or is he lost in his own mind. Is he so inteligent and powerful that he imagines with such intensity that he get's lost in his own daydreamings?

Yes, but as mentioned before Centerlesness is crucial. And recoqnition of Aliveness of Others-Construct. There is no less inteligence operating behind the eyes of the person you are talking with, because it is one inteligence that is speaking your words and their words. You are just as unreal/real as the person you are speaking with. Both the tip of your nose (to make the illusion of 1st person perspective) is imagined and the eyes of another. As Leo said Solipsism is true not because you are so alone, but because we are all so together.

Hmmm I'm not sure what your point is but please do not assign homework to me senpai. I didn't like school assignments

Well yes, that is kind of the crux of the matter. Because it is all of those. It is Impersonal Flow and yet also intimately loving and wanting to experience full of eros. So there are aspects/facets. And some of them are higher/purer. Like God is also unconsciouss materialist or christian fundamentalist. The Deceiver. The Lover. The Emptiness. The Truth. Etc. And I kind of wonder whether he is more of a Lover/BDSMer or a Self-Deceiver lost in it's own thoughts. Or rather I want to understand the mechanichs of how those different archetypes flow/relate. I don't know. It is a hard question to even articulate lol. Much love to you too

Just using conventional language to communicate. Feel free to exchange God with "You" or Awareness or whatever.

Yes there is one field. I am not even part of it because there is no "I". Just this. Here. Now. All of the pixels shining where they are. In front of your face. No more. No less. Just THIS. THIS IS ALL THERE IS. ALL THERE EVER WAS.

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I agree with that. It's a good description. The key to true Solipsism is dissolving the ego and any conception of someone in the center. It is totally centerless, boundaryless field. But yes. There seems to be one field. I don't have absolute certainty all the time as Leo seems to have. But just as when I feel into the aspect of Unconditional Love being pervasive in everything there is something deep deep inside that feels it as true, congruent, elegant. I get the same feeling of truth, congruency, elegancy when I accept Solipsistic view as true. It is just so so One. So so Together.

I had a long period of deepening into that ocean depth of impersonality. Mundane life integration. Chop wood Carry water. But now it seem the pure impersonality without a center is fascinated with wave surfing and horizontal consciousness exploring once again. Now it is just seen No-one is doing it, it happens on its own, nowhere.

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri's_fast

I am interested in your journey. Keep us update. I wonder what are the limits of human body when it comes to this.

Deep insight. But also further - the duality between solitude and feeling of togetherness can collapse too. You can be alone in your room and so connected to the Love, and walls of your room as if you in the heart of the most welcoming community of people. But also you can be with, talk to others, and feel the solitude of oneness. It's the same thing. Emptiness Dancing. Sitting alone can happen, sharing and talking can happen, exploring can happen, rest can happen. Just love.

I had a permanent no-self realization 1 year ago. Since then I was focusing on integrating that, stabilizing and it becoming my new default. I did not do any full dose trips since then - until today. Sharing this seems pointless and yet I just want to share my raw-unedited notes from the trip - there is a high chance that this will be my final post on this forum. Thank you @Leo Gura for being the first teacher (maybe in human history) that had the balls to speak so directly about Absolute Solipsism and to even put it on youtube with your own face. Infinite Eternal gratitude for that Leo, you opened many doors for many people. And thanks everyone on this forum. You are all magnificient expressions of the MindSoup. If you have this urge to go deep, to not distract and run away constantly from HOME with all this human (sweet) bullshit - I just want to say it is worth it. You will be Home in each moment. Dedicate yourself to do this. Take care of your surival inteligently so you are able to really go into this. All humanity is - is just one big running away from the Absolute Home. Raw trip notes: - 08.05 This body is not just a Temple. But Universal Temple. So zoomed in that my tendons - while stretching - reach to past eons. Primal energy at the heart of this all. Sexual soup. Mother/Father womb - with smell and intimacy and wetness and hairynesss and care and love and innovence and raw desire to fuck, to live, to run, to laugh, to hug, to do shit. It is all me. For me. My phantasy. My intelligence. Its not a coincidence that all man have similiar phantasies - it's one raw intelligence generating that. All perversy, all wars, all love and hate is part of the godhead. Home was always here, right behind the corner of my eye brow bone. Behind the scenes. Wet - together - open - Animal like - HOME. Garden of mind was always here. Just chill, monkey love hanging out in my psyche. All is perfectly managed. Ordinary love soup. Natural. Don't worry about it vibe. Everywhere. Singilarity. Utopia. Destruction. Rope of eye pupils Rolling through eyes of everybody. This Home freshness. Like when a buddy says: "it's fine i will take care of it" *smile and wink* - this vibe, this Home is always here. I am just playing around with playdough to make other mental words. All humour is my humour hahahagaa All the jokes are mine And on me lol Just me. Home. Fine. Home intellect sex love alloy, all is out of that Access the archetypal energies of gaia mother womb, they are here to replenish you __ The floor grass of the garden are right behing my eye socket. Right there. Close. Archetypal garden is here. --- I am the Mother, I am that intelligence. All is made out of me for me. Roleplay. Actually. Faking as if we are separate. Cheap music, Karens, Rednecks, ignorance of family uncles. All just me roleplaying. Every girl. Every musician. Those i admire and those i look down upon. All me at play. Neural pain capacity is maxed out. Cold. Pain. Hunger are at their 100% and they are so pleasueable. All so Light surrounded by Garden. The key is to dissolve, drop in, let go, relax Pure move towards non conceptuality. ---- The primal freedom of discipline. Max out your pain receptors. Do not run away, stay with that. Your capacity to feel is like an Bath full of warm water compared to small eye-contact-container of maxed out pain floating in it. Comparing mind takes whatever is available and really quickly sets it to almost maxed out. It is unwise and gives almost all resistance at the start. It cannot go more than that its bluffing. Every bit of what I get and what I do not get and get frustrated is perfectly designed from the MindSoup --- I wouldn't even talk about this level to anyone. People don't want that level of absolute. No one cares. Everyone is running away. Any desire to teach seems very pointless. Thank you. HOME.

I saw your post @Leo Gura about Roger's Thisdell "you can't spiritually wake up only become lucid" video and this is a great post. And again I kinda want to come here as a steelman for their pov. Like when they argue that you cannot have any ontological ground vs you claiming that god is the ultimate ontological ground - I don't really see the difference. I am not sure if they don't but I don't. Like, this is what experience of God/Love is for me - total dissolution of any frames, construct, ground. Like Rogers describing it as ephemeral qualia process of Mind - this is full with mystery and feeling of God for me (maybe thats because i had God realization so I am able to steelman this in this way and they don't really mean it) Saying God is pure imagination, or saying that everything is the state of consciousness, figment of consciousness (your pov) - this for me is the same (maybe not the same but a different facet of same diamond) realization as buddhist deconstruction and going beyond any frames. This is the same movement of Mind of going infinitely meta and ending up with no ground or frame - and this is the mystical experience of God. Sunyata/Emptiness = God. But real emptiness, not reductionistic and still imbued with remnants of materialism. Real emptiness that goes meta even to itself - that gives me a profound feeling and connection to God. I agree that they have some weird aversion to this beatifull word God (maybe for good reasons not to make conceptual traps for people) but having gone through both God Realization and buddhist annata I claim that it indeed ends in the same place. Even saying that there is no ontological ultimate ground - if that's the case then THATS THE TRUTH AND THATS THE ULTIMATE ONTOLOGICAL GROUND. So I agree with you that you have to end up at TRUTH. And there are unique qualities/feelings to focusing on qualia processing view vs God view. And the ultimate God includes both of those. As figments of its imagination. Or from their perspectives you could say even qualia processing is a constructed model and even God view is a constructed model. But that recognition of everything being a model construction - this for me leads exactly to the same mind space as deep contemplation of everything being gods imagination. Just infinite meta. Infinite meta = infinite deconstruction = infinite imagination = God = Love. @Water by the River

Sunyata/emptiness focuses on this ephemeral quality of any manifestation, nothing is real just appearing due to causes and conditions, empty of substance, empty of INHERENT being. Emptiness is not about nothingness. I would claim emptiness is pointing to this infinite interconnectivity, ephemerality, hologram-like-ity. For me it's the same like saying that everything is imagination - pure flexibility of consciousness to appear as any figment. And even consciousness is just another substanceless designation that we reify. God is beyond it. Emptiness is beyond it.

I totally get your point Leo. But let me continue playing a buddhist devil's advocate. I would claim that at some point absorption into emptiness reaches the tipping point, at which it paradoxically becomes WHOLE, it does not anymore have this vibe of deconstruction. Even emptiness is empty so it colapses into itself and is whole (like with scepticism colapsing in it's real fruition). As you say "you are not grasping the significance of God" - I could argue, you are not grasping the wholeness of emptiness. But again, I do agree that most buddhist do not reach this tipping point of absorption. But I intuit that some of the deepest one like Angelo (imho) actually has in his daily experience this sweetness, mystery, hallucination vibe of God realization. He just avoids that word. I can never know that ofc, just a hunch.

There is no nothing. But there is emptiness. But emptiness is also not A THING - it;s nature of empty phenomena, even emptiness is empty so it does not exist. There is no ground. There is no substance. Just ever dancing empty flux of magic. Mystery. All de-reified.