A Fellow Lighter

If you yourself do not believe in the ideas you're presenting on this thread, and are only posing questions for the mere sake of arguing, then yes I'll amply stop discussing this topic with you. But if you're most sincere in your quest of learning of the workings of consciousness then let's discuss away, there's nothing to lose and much to gain from each other.

Precisely, knowledge is all there is, it is this knowledge (awareness) that cannot be placed in the box of conception that I would refer to as nondual. As I've said, the contingent is imagination. We may properly discuss this now if you wish. How are we completely different? I sincerely ask out of curiosity, not to argue. Where has this complete difference been established? So that one may know of it.

See, this is the problem with philosophy: that a thing in itself cannot be used to prove itself. Why must you consider anything in the first place in order for you to tell me that you are aware without the need for reason? Did your existence come about your ability to reason?

The title of your thread states: “Most things are imagined.” But if you let me, I'll prove to you that All things are in fact imagined.

I'll do this in one sentence: Is your awareness informed?

A matter of experience then, not what I refer to as knowledge. In precisely this way I would agree with you completely.

Then what you refer to as knowledge is what I refer to as information. Our problem here truly is a linguistic difficulty. Tell, is awareness possible without reason?

This is a place of vibration: my instincts, my emotions, my desires, and so on, are not mine. What is mine here is only my work. I get it now. I Get it... I am but an instrument for the world I have come to understand.

@Benton you're most welcome.

Knowledge is not possessive: e.g. “I know x,y, and z.” Neither is it possession: i.e. “x,y, and z are known things.” Knowledge is simply knowing that you know. Anything else is imagination. There is quite obviously Knowledge, otherwise you couldn't have read and replied to this thread. Knowledge is the One-infinite Self. Without knowledge there could not have been a you to read and reply to this thread. Thusly, there is Knowledge, and you are it... Knowledge itself.

I am not fully acquainted and fluent with the English language, so it just may happen that this post comes across as low quality. What we're taught... In growing up and learning of the workings of this world, we are, quite naturally, enlightened on what it means to be alive, and how to maintain this livelihood. As children we are taught about the basic human needs: water, food, clothing and shelter. And later, as we grow, we are taught of the complexities that come with the proper use of these needs in a way that is balanced and healthy, such as hygiene, exercise, diet and etc. The idea is this: ‘Take care of your needs and you'll be taking care of yourself.’ and basically, health is the opposite of death - the healthier you are.. the more alive you are. What we're not taught... That life is not that simple, that what it means to be alive is really an individual matter, not a science matter. We're not taught that life is not so easy to figure out and that what it means to live is really something to be figured out by the individual from finding his or her own way, and not something to be defined by a social collective. Sure, as children we're nudged in the right direction in terms of basic survival instincts, but there's more to life than that, much more to us than that. What I'm trying to say is that what you are, fundamentally, is not biological and mechanical. Food, sex and comfort just won't cut it for you. You are exhaustible, your hunger gets beyond nutrition and in to the realm of spiritual fulfilment. You are soul. You can still tire even if you're living in luxury you can still become weary of life. We are not like other animals that live to survive. Why we depress... Because we're wasting energy on things that don't fulfill us, things that only serve us on the physical level and not on a spiritual level. See, we were taught how to take care of the body but never of the spirit, never of the soul. Depression is like a pre-physical death, you die before your body dies. You are taking care of the body but not of the spirit, whilst you putting it to work extensively for almost no return. Feed the spirit, fulfill the soul, and there will be balance and harmony with life. I mentioned the wasting of energy.. yes, depression is a sign of abuse of energy from within - soul energy. Whether this abuse is external or self-inflicted, it still drains you. What is soul energy? It is your ability to care. Don't get it twisted, your ability to care about things does not come from the simple state of living, your state of living is produced by your ability to care. Stop caring about anything, and you'll die. This is depression. Take care of your soul energy, use it meaningfully. If my depression had taught me anything, it's that what I am is something like a love-bubble - my nature is that of caring. And if I don't care, I am as good as dead.

I love you! I love you so much that I'm in pain! But also, the pain feels so good! Everything just feels like love. It feels like fire and water combined! The Light consumes me in the most sophisticated way, it shines brilliantly as to not burn me up. I don't know what you are. I'm not sure what I am. But somehow the love just says it all, it sums it up pretty neatly, yeah?

Sincerely valuing somebody or something as it is.

The World is my Mind I'm sorry, I don't know how else to phrase that title but it's literally just how perceive everything now, though it comes and goes, mostly here though when I'm calm enough. What I'm talking about is me perceiving myself typing on the keyboard on the screen of my cellphone as though the intelligence of my smart phone is in fact my own personal intelligence. Like every gadget, every tool and technology is only an extension of my intelligence, my mind. And it's not like I'm thinking about it like “Ahhuh, it's all me. Yup.” No, it's literally what I see happening, like if someone told me that this phone has its own physicality to it, it's own sub-gadgets and software that would come off as unusually off and distorted to me: it's just impossible to me that this phone is generating anything like the words on the screen or the sounds it supposedly makes or the light, like anything. But, taking this on a broader level, hoping the phone-example helps you understand, the whole world as I perceive it is, in fact, my mind. The various intelligence that one supposedly finds in the world is really only my intelligence. Apart from my intelligence, the world is without finitude or any form - it's infinite and inconceivable. But it's still there, somehow, existing sorta like a very vague idea - an idea without a picture, and yet very much still there and real, or yet to be made real.. I don't know. The weird thing is that I know how it's not independent of me, like anywhere I go I'm taking it with me. Huh It's just too unconventional to explain. But like.. it's as though.. without me - the world is without matter, it's like completely devoid of all matter: no material, no light to reflect off a material, no sound, no touch and no sign of any kind of design or intelligence. I am it's intelligence, which is weird 'cause I grew up thinking I had to be as smart as the world in order to understand it, and now it's like, all the smartness is radiating off of your body/mind: like my body is the only software of all devices, it's only a matter of taming the flame - being sentient about it. But, it's funny because it also makes sense for me seeing how I could like tune out everything and everyone around me as if their not there. Like I always wondered where that skill came from. Like one time, my siblings were right outside my bedroom door making noise during playtime and, because I was trying to meditate, I completely tuned them out - realising after moments when they were done playing that it was as though they'd completely vanished.. like just how it was silent. Yeah, I knew they were there, playing, but at the same time it was like just this idea in my head that my siblings are right outside my bedroom door playing whatever noisy game they were playing. So yeah, it kinda makes sense for me. I'd always thought the light enables me, turns out I enable it.. in a loopish way, I'm sorry if this is too confusing to get. But as long as I get it I don't particularly feel sorry about it ? So now I'm trying to incorporate this into day-to-day, moment-to-moment, life. Curious as to see how that will reflect in the way I conduct myself in the world. Lol.. the world which is technically my head. ???

There is only one game/purpose/ nature of reality (whatever you wish to call it), and that is enlightenment. See, what we are, especially as human beings, we are children of chaos: We are born and emerge from the chaos that is total freedom, striving forth onto the light that is self-realisation. You asking this very question regarding nature is the evidence to what I'm talking about. As you continue to grow in spirit and consciousness, you most curiously find yourself asking questions to which you've never been bothered to ask before: where, once upon a time, there was nothing but nature and order - now, rather recently in your timeline, there appears to be --?? Well, in retrospect, this seemingly messy reality did not exist, once upon a time. So why does it appear now? The answer - simply because this is merely a reflection of your spiritual growth. The chaos that was once your world a hundred years ago now seems to be as distant as a dreadful nightmare. The chaos that was once your world about a millennium ago in our days as cave people is now as distant as a faint memory. This is nothing but the evidence of growth. Yes, the nature of reality is enlightenment. And we will use our current knowledge to learn of a higher knowledge, and then from that standpoint we'll view this world, the world we live in now, in a new light. This world of the so-called science and technology and social and political agendas will begin to feel foreign and as chaotic as the previous world's that we emerge from. This is the true trend of life. Or, one could simply say.. that we are awakening, growing more and more in awareness, to the chaos that is our absolute freedom thus shining light on what it means to be, well, God. As the children, we are enlightening the Creator that lives within each of us thus uniting us into one being. See, we are, in truth, children of chaos. Should you, right at this moment, attempt to trace your origin of beingness what you'll soon come to discover is that you literally emerge from the utter darkness that is the deepest depth of chaos. Absolute Freedom is Absolute Chaos, except when we learn from it, from ourselves and other-selves which I call our fellow Lighters, the chaos transforms into Absolute Love. There is only one motive: it is your willingness to know who you are, or what it means to be you - the inconceivable one - the limitless one - the infinite one. What it means to be YOU. Do you know who you are?

Let there be light ?

Wasn't really asking friend. ? The English language is a minefield. Like I said, I wouldn't use that word, too misleading for my liking. But yeah, it's impossible to imagine one without the other - Love and Knowledge that is.

Huh ? I thought Love is God. Anyway, yeah, that's how people look at Knowledge, as something to attain, just as you look at it. But, hey, whatever floats your boat, right

And why would you say that?

I mean on a relative sense. Like people would talk about it as something to attain, not what they already have. Just look up the definition of the word and you'll get what I mean.

If you learn on this line of contemplation, that is.. the questioning of happenings in terms of their ultimate meaning, then you'll find an answer and it will be an answer that answers every other question you've ever asked or could ever ask. So, as tempted as I am to reply to your question, I'll leave you with only the above.

Sure, I guess you could say that. However, I personally wouldn't use that term as it implies there being degrees in knowing. Knowledge is just knowledge, it is whole and complete in whatever state of consciousness. So, it's not that there is Absolute Knowledge, but only that Knowledge is itself Absolute - on its own.

When people talk about knowledge what they're usually refering to is information. I see these two to be completely different, information being relative - you're being informed on regular intervals; knowledge being absolute - meaning there is nothing outside of knowledge.

@PepperBlossoms energy is only that.. energy, your ability to care is only your ability to care. What your mind does with this energy is an entirely different matter. But in whatever it does - it will reflect in the emotional beingness of the individual. See, mankind's challenge is exactly this: We have been granted unlimited power (source of energy) for a limited time - the time is the incarnation; the power is love. When this energy is wasted, the spirit feels wasteful. When the spirit feels wasteful your very existence will seem like a waste of space. And if there's enough room in the psyche for the agents of chaos to do their negative bidding, then you will be made to feel like you're a burden to the people you care about thus turning your own power against you. Soul-energy, or your ability to care, has never been the problem. It is the use of your mind-instrumental/tool that needs more attentiveness. There must be balance. Watch closely what you choose to do with your mind: only mind what serves you, do not mind what doesn't serve you.

You're creating obstacles for yourself.. simply because what you've found seems/feels to good to be true, you're attempting self-sabotage. And from what I'm getting from your post, you're doing this out of fear for failure, though masking this with insecurity or the feeling of unworthiness, undeservingness. I'm not saying you're lying about being old, but I am saying that you're lying to yourself about your age being any kind of problem.