A Fellow Lighter

The most fundamental level is vibration. Sensory input is not as strictly input as much as it is projection. It is being generated in the mind. Personally, I don't take reality to be a dream, I take reality to be reality, and dream to be part of reality. I honestly believe that if I took reality to be mere dream then I wouldn't be as effective in my spiritual work. However, on the nondual level, reality has the equivalent tone of a dream. I say equivalent tone because it's not in the words themselves that the truth of existence lies, but rather in the effect they have on one's understanding of it. So, I'm not saying that the Infinite One is asleep as to induce a dream state of consciousness. I'm saying that at the Godhead, as this forum refers to it, all states of consciousness are dream states of consciousness. But to address the original question: sensory input is that of intelligence and imagination, rather than physical particles radiating electromagnetic waves to be interpreted by the brain.

Then I shall expand in the form of a Q and A. You are welcome to ask me any question from what I've stated thus far regarding the instrument and the process of creation. Yes. Nonduality does not mean the absence of form/appearance and diversity. Nonduality simply means that all is one.

Meaning that the universe is not held (or contained) by logic. I keep seeing people trying to rationalise their way to the Godhead, as this forum refers to it. I'm not exactly sure what the goal is with this but it sure cannot be awakening. With this I hope there is clear agreement. I'm not trying to be negative at all, just being sincere with this matter. Feel free to contemplate away if you wish. Yes, being contemplative and rational about spirituality is a noble footing, but in terms of expanding awareness this does.. well, almost nothing if it hadn't been for its adaptive effect on one's belief system. Of course, unless one has confused awareness with relatability with the other-self (meaning you can identify and communicate with ease what most have identified and learned to communicate) then this sure can create the illusion of awakening (the growth of awareness). Be careful with your work. I truly am not trying to discourage anyone from doing anything that they wish to do. I'm only trying to offer caution. When trying to learn about the nature of and the nature for this universe, understand that this is not like the world of academia where everything is only considered in theory until verified by phenomena. This is the world of spirituality, and what we're dealing with here is the power that holds the universe intact, the power that is holding your personal reality as you perceive it. If you believe that that power that is holding the infinite frequencies of the universe is logic, then I wish nothing upon you other than true enlightenment. But if you've already woken to the real power of the universe then I can wish nothing upon you, for only more power and expansion naturally awaits you. What holds the varying frequencies of the universe is not a logic or some conclusion that you've arrived at through whatever experience, for all conclusions and rationalisations can be abandoned at any time should the thinker will it. But there is something that can never be abandoned nor does anyone wish to forsaken it. And that is for me to keep and for you to awaken to. Truth is not Equation. Equate truth to whatever belief systems you use to function in this world, and Truth will prove ever so chaotic to you.

Beliefs are beliefs. And truth is truth. Either you awaken or you don't, this truth will make itself evident in your vibration, my friend, which is the way you live your life. You're familiar with the old saying: life is a test. What do you suppose it is that is being tested? It is your truth.. here, we can only live our truths, thus.. freewill is law, for one only ever is and does what s/he is willing to be and do. This is Truth. There's no way around it. So, for instance, if you believe that love is God.. but have not truly awakened to it.. then rest assured that this truth will reveal itself in the way you live your life. Truth is not a matter of choice. It does not need you.. it is you who needs it. Whether you choose it or your logic over it, this does certainly nothing to the truth. Learn the truth, don't learn the truth.. doesn't matter, it's still there.. forever.

Then do you also see how your logic is being forged even in this present moment? Every time you think your logic is being shaped and reshaped. The shape that proves most useful will remain for quite some time until proven futile, then it will reshape again. Experience determines this. The logic you have now isn't the same logic you had yesterday or ten to twenty years ago as a kid. Neither is it the same logic did the human-consciousness have aeons ago, as consciousness evolves so does our patterns of thinking.

Who says we are thoughts, friend?

Simple.. Truth is Evident.. Falsity is, by definition, that which is not evident. Anything that is evident is inherently truth, thus everything that is is truth, thusly.. truth is absolute. You cannot get around it, it is the is. Understand that truth itself is not a claim, it is prior all that philosophical squabble.

Evolution is the flow of life, it is the only nature to life, and it is happening right in front of our eyes. This is no story or idea to me, it is truth, I am directly aware of it. There is no such thing as direct experience without evolution, everything is but one evolving experience.. something I have also learned. And you are aware of it too, except you know it as time.. unless somehow you don't have the experience of time? What people call time I call evolution of consciousness, because I've long awakened to the underlying nature of the unfolding of reality. In truth, there is no time, for time is but an attempt of measurement of something more profound and depth-full as the idea of time. I'm not leaning on the past when I speak of evolution, I'm leaning on its ever present and evident truth. What you have chosen to convey in the post above touches on a lot of matters. I am willing to discuss your points above, although that was not the intention of making this thread - I was merely offering caution about the traps I'm well too familiarised with in the path of spirituality. But I am willing to discuss.

Logic is a tool. It does not come prior, for like any kind of imaginable tool.. it is forged. Logic has been forged by aeons and aeons of our species' evolution. It is not prior. If you believe that you can arrive at a conclusion in regards to the Infinite One.. then you're really really in for it, my friend. ? Be careful.

No it's not. Truth is always absolute, meaning it's not a part of anything and, rather, everything is part of it - the logical and illogical are but a part of it, chaos and order are a part of it. Why? Because logic is not God. Something else is, and that's what you need to awaken to.

@Galyna and @Aleister Crowleyy I think maybe you're misinterpreting what I've stated. I'm not refuting the usefulness of logic as a tool, I was merely saying don't confuse the conclusion you arrive at for an awakening. I mean surely you don't consider spiritual growth to be but a riddle to be solved by the mind, do you? Truth is not some theoretical equation to be solved. That's all I'm saying. Every instance of life is fumed and expresses truth, even the statement 1 + 1 = 3 expresses a truth of its own, despite it being logically in correct. Hence I say Logic is not God, something else is. I mean even your very willingness to survive is an illogical one, trust me, you don't need a reason for everything. Awakening will signify itself in the way you live your life, not in your ability to reason and convince each other in this forum how God is Love. This is not spirituality.. it is philosophy. Isn't this obvious?

Now you have to understand that realising nonduality and realising the process of creation, literally what you're doing now as every moment is a moment of creation, that these are two different things: Nonduality and Creation. And your question seems to be leaning more on the latter - the process of creation. In discussing creation, I'm not particularly fond of the “Life is a literal Dream” explanation, simply because it overlooks and negates a lot for the person who is interested in learning of the process of creation which deals essentially with meaning, as you have slightly come to notice in your ASC. Yes, existence is something like a dream in relation to nonduality but this is simply because it hardly matters what and how you think of it, for in nonduality all is literally One. However, with regards to the process of creation, the “life is a dream” paradigm won't get you anywhere. In fact, all this paradigm does is make you care less in realising creation, especially if it is introduced to you as ‘the answer’ rather than a question of exploration. To me, with regards to creation, this is not even an answer because it just raises more and more questions like.. why is God asleep in the first place.. and just leads to a lot of mental masturbation rather than actual progress. In the process of creation, there is something called the mind/body/spirit instrument that I'd like to introduce to you should your interest hold. This instrument is the literal tool of creation. The part that is responsible for the “coming up with visuals” is the mind-instrumental, the mind is form-maker. I'll only continue here if you want me to. This is another reason why I am not so resonant with the dream paradigm because it only leads to confusion and potentially distress. How will the dream paradigm account for your awareness and my - the person who is responding to your thread - awareness? It cannot, for it has already negated the possibility/actuality of the other-self. The reason, in terms of the process of creation, there exists a other-self is because the bubble of consciousness, as most will put it, the sphere of consciousness is capable of crystallization to the point where the POV no longer appears to be one life perspective but several. So, instead of a perfectly smooth bubble, you can imagine here a diamond like structure to consciousness and each of us is particularly focused on of the many sites/sides of this crystallised unity. But, these sites/sides of POVs are not limitations, as the dream paradigm has led you to believe, they have never been limitations for as the psychics of this world have, and will continue to, prove to you.. these POVs can be breached. Even the word “breach” is peculiarly misleading since there has never been any boundaries in the first place - only focuses/foci - the words “cross over” are more appropriate. Me.. you.. we are all One. If you realise or awaken to a truth, the whole bubble has awakened and realised that same truth. When I give you advice, I am essentially giving myself advice.. what looks like a conversation in this material level is essentially but a thought in the crystallised sphere of consciousness.

@Adamq8 I see. So is the term Logos coined/introduced by the Orthodox Church? Since it's part of the trinity and all. And do you consider it applicable to you? Do you think “The Son” somehow includes you too as a person, considering the fact that the Godhead only has but one Son? How do you interpret this?

This question is entangled with false ideas. First off, this very existence is already a nondual one, no matter what or who you imagine to be “the observer”. Nonduality is the Knowledge Itself, all knowledge (of appearance; of existence; of all finitudes) is, in truth, but one Knowledge. Secondly, where there is appearance, there is life. The observer is only an idea produced by the life itself, it is not absolute. Knowledge is however Absolute, for it is timeless and limitless. So long as there is knowledge of anything, there is knowledge of everything, for all is one. Life/Existence is already nondual. So you see, the question of necessity is itself unnecessary here since all is already one.

I see.. so Logos is the Son according to the orthodox church.. at least, that is here I understand this text. Are you Christian?

I don't refute any of this, it is all correct. My deal is not on conceptual awakening as you call it, it is on spiritual awakening - growth in awareness, not just understanding.

Neither do I refute the usefulness and existence of logic. All I am saying is that one must not confuse the tool for for the Infinite Mind as you put it. If the infinite mind is capable of logical work then it is also capable of illogical work. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Care to elaborate? What is “Logos”? Yes, exactly this.

Love has come to mean absolutely everything to me, I witness it in every moment, every scenario, and every human interaction. This is so because love, to me, has come to mean expression and power. Love is that masculine energy of the universe, and wisdom that feminine energy that makes him whole, for there can be no expression without wisdom. Of course, in human terms, love can only mean embrace. When taking care of a child, one is embracing the vulnerability and innocence of that child. When making love, as we often put it, this is the embracing of our partner's sexuality. When communing with one another, we are embracing each other's social aspect of being human. When we hug someone, we embrace that person's personhood. The opposite of this embrace will, as you can imagine, come across as unloving.

At the centre of every thought and action is a belief. This belief is what regulates one's behaviour - the stronger the belief then the stronger the regulation. But this belief only plays a role in your survival, and is not ‘God’. So yes, one can survive without assumptions. There is no direct correlation with the two.

@Danioover9000 your living situation reminds me of Casper the Friendly Ghost which I guess is pretty cool. My question is this: What kind of energy (or whose energy) is she living off as a disembodied spirit/soul? Is it karmic energy which is btw limited energy? Or is it generative energy, like is she sourcing it from something or someone external to her? If she doesn't understand the question than just ask her whether or not Spirits get to live forever in the earth plane? Just as she is living with you in your physical space but, you know, without having to do anything like work or get entertainment like us “the physically embodied” who have to eat, work, have sex in order to sustain our form and vibration??? Thanks in advance.

Where there is no establishment of any sort: the law is will. Where there is already life: work is law. But ultimately this is truth: work is will

The energy centres have something like a magnetic field about them, each field strengthened by the charge they receive. These fields are capable of both expansion and suspension - their field sizes are not necessarily equal. Expanded or suspended fields can both mean restoration or distortion of vibrational frequency. The key is balance. These energy centres work in relation to and congruence with the mind/body/spirit instrument. The body-instrumental is a streaming device of intelligent energy, acting as a receptor to the energy-waves. The spirit-instrumental is a tuning device of the vibration that offers a certain/peculiar band of intelligent energy. And finally, the mind-instrumental is a broadcasting device, acting as a the transmitter of the energy-waves. The energy centres and the mind/body/spirit instrument have a correlation that is essential to one's consciousness. I'll expand on this later.

I've been learning more about energy centres, how they're charged moment-to-moment by waves of intelligent energy, and how their function is force-field orientated. Consciousness and the World are one thing. Consciousness is a field of intelligent energy. This field is stationed by a frequency. It is not the solidity of matter we're interacting with, but it is rather the forces of a frequency that we're doing Work with.

@Someone here not worth.. value. And yes, there's a difference. Significance means difference, friend. Take away the human race and I can assure you, despite us being “like little ants” in a vast cosmos, we have significance. Unless of course you believe that our absence would have resulted in no difference to this world? Significance is a choice because it is simply a matter of expression. Had we chosen not to express our potential humanity (the quality of being human) not so long ago and remained to be that purely instinctive creature that preferred the trees rather than open land, in that one out of many ancestral accordances, we would have not acquired any peculiar significance in sphere of life. We would be like the rest of the animals, not in any standing out. This applies even to one's individuality of course. And by merely creating this thread to bring this question to mind, you prove yourself to be significant for you did not choose to remain quiet with a potential endeavour, but instead chose to express rather than repress. You have brought something to mind, you have signified a matter to take notice in. Had you not done this, would there have been someone else to do so? Maybe, but if there was no one before you.. chances are there would be no one till this moment. By making a difference, by the mere choice of expression, you render yourself significant. The extent to how you do this is also your choice. Significance is not worth, one can never put a price on it. Significance is value.. for that which is truly of significance can only be noticed once it's gone or reduced to its lesser expression. Presence and absence is already a big difference my friend. So even though, from your point of view, you're not of any significance, in my and my father's eyes you're quite a big deal. Work on it, make a difference. I can tell you that what you do with your life simultaneously makes a difference in our planetary vibration. Work on it then express the fruits of your labour, and never be discouraged to do exactly that - express. This is a choice, Lighter. Whether or not to shine your light.. is a choice.

@Someone here what is significance?