BlueOak

Understanding something doesn't mean embracing it.

To them it is important, I accept that. To me, it's a pigment, the level of melatonin in the body. Skin color means nothing at all to me. I engage people on an individual basis. Their belief systems, and moreover how they are in that moment, have significantly more to do with how our interaction goes. Black, Brown, White, doesn't matter. These two perspectives are almost impossible to reconcile; only accept and work out a compromise. Hence, if you are accepting its importance to them, you have to also accept the same for the other side. That's what you either don't understand or are choosing not to vocalize. That is what the right will not do. So you are expecting me to forever move toward their position, and on these fundamental disagreements of race I cannot and will not. I will fight for the equal treatment of all races under the law and betterment within society till the day I pass from this earth, whenever I am in a position where it's called on to do so.

Here is another way to neutralise that from a sensible righting perspective. Define humane to me in this context. As this too is a conflation. Then humane can be exactly defined in law. I personally think it'll be hard to define humane to mean, not working for the collective good while you are in prison. By hard labor I am meaning useful jobs that contribute. I feel the majority of the country, including the left are for tracking immigrants.

This is also the absurdity of nationalism. Rather than try to improve the economic reality of neighbouring countries, so people don't emigrate in the first place, we are threatening to go to war with them instead. Rather than say to ourselves, let's not paint ourselves as the best nation on earth, and dominate everyone culturally; let's be realistic about our flaws and promote other cultures outside of our own. Then people might want to move there instead! Shocking I know. But nationalists have always and will forever be some of the most clueless people about the world around them because they are always focused nationally. What about high-speed trains with living accommodation in mexico? What about instead of fighting economic realities, we actually engage with the need for labor, and provide a way to get into the US and out effectively, encouraging those workers to legally register and be tracked? Here is a rightwing help: If penalties are needed, make it hard labor for illegals crossing; give them jobs that fill the labor shortage before they are deported. Am I the only one who can think of things like this? Is the entire world dumber than me? No, they'd just rather go roll tanks through Washington, shoot at protestors in LA and thump their chest in some desperate way to prop up outdated institutions and ways of thinking, which fight the economic and actual reality rather than guide or fix it.

Again, because you are conflating those engaged in the legal process of immigration with those who are not. The right, says: Leftists don't want to talk about illegal immigration or its restriction. I answer: That's because the right wants to stop all immigration; its not about the legality of immigration or better the ethical or moral framework it is structured under. If we were arguing ethics and morality, at least that'd be an improvement, hell, even the economic reality for all concerned, but we are just arguing skin color Leo and the culture war. It's not an honest discussion of the issues surrounding it, else that'd be what we are talking about. You saw the quote I gave right? From the Latina's for Trumps co-founder specifically complaining about exactly what I am stating here. To generate fear effectively at the border, you'd do it at the border. Its about generating fear, yes, but inside the country itself, white supremacists wanting a white state, the people running it like Stephen Miller are white supremacists. Indirectly you (speaking as the right) are correct that fear will play a factor, but only because you want to ignore everything I am trying to say about legal immigration and the reasons behind this, and the absurdity of turning a city into a warzone, while at the same time complaining it is in fact a war zone.

@Leo Gura You representing the right here, are conflating illegal immigration with legal immigration. Therein lies the point and purpose of the protests against the state, that and the military occupation of a city to conduct these illegal and unconstitutional raids. If immigration law is changed to your position, you'll be arguing for the law, at present, you are not. But as i've said, morality trumps the law here, even if what you were arguing for here was indeed lawful, it wouldn't be ethical or moral.

Many of those getting arrested are going through the official channels. This is why the law is being weaponised against the people. The community in this context refers to those with whom you are directly in contact on a day-to-day basis, or those with whom you associate sufficiently to draw on some of the things I described. Directly or indirectly benefitting from them. Most of the social programs, individual groups and institutions people are not even aware they benefit from until they are no longer in place, but all of them contribute to people's quality of life, experience and the stability or resulting lack of. A lack of stability results in things like the corruption or criminality of your country. Also: https://thehill.com/immigration/5339542-latinas-for-trump-co-founder-blasts-mass-deportations/ The co-founder of Latina's for trump quote: “This is not what we voted for,” Garcia wrote in a post on the social platform X. “I have always supported Trump, @realDonaldTrump, through thick and thin. However, this is unacceptable and inhumane.” “I understand the importance of deporting criminal aliens, but what we are witnessing are arbitrary measures to hunt down people who are complying with their immigration hearings—in many cases, with credible fear of persecution claims—all driven by a Miller-like desire to satisfy a self-fabricated deportation goal,” she continued in her post, referring to White House homeland security adviser and deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.

When family is illegally taken from you, while going through the due process of the state, and you are being targeted because of your skin color, why is it you don’t think an expression of anger is entirely logical? You want this to be bottled up and then taken out on a cop? I agree it'd be nice if we all lived in a world where emotions could be consciously channeled, but we draw a lot of this emotional strength and stability from our community, and if that community is actively being targetted, splintered and attacked, then this is the result. - *We do this even if we don't consciously realise it, its the energy we are in, its all the shared day-to-day experiences, the tone, the support, the service, the institutions, all the smaller groups in the background, and the overall experience we have of life. It's like you are looking at one of your hands being beaten black and blue and then wondering why its doing what it can to defend itself.

Leo in this role is your mentor, he's taking a role that will hopefully help you. Note: I am generally with your position, and I would be actively organising a group against it if I was in the states and faced with it. The liberal centralist position is to remain orderly and ride out the status quo, with some political pushback ofc. But honestly they need to effectively use the law to hold ICE accountable also if that is the official opposition. Things like an ICE operative pointing a gun at a distraught wife because they are taking her husband, for example, needs to be quashed now legally and procedurally. Before the next wife gets shot and then all hell breaks loose. - Which is esentially what is going on now, with the law weaponised against the people, not for them. *International press reporters getting shot isn't exactly going down well either abroad:

My bills are covered and I have a steady job, but even I find it hard to start a successful business. Get a job any job even if it sucks,, then just keep upgrading but never leave the one you have until you've found better. I tell that to everyone but you'll find it easier to get better jobs if you've been working previously and have the basics covered.

Let's just cut through it: Its largely about skin color. They consider it threatening to their race to have other races or mixed races among them. Most people couldn't even describe culture if you told them about it, or name many countries on a map, let alone understand them. So its skin color, that's it. What the people enforcing this are doing is trying to rid America of black and brown people, discourage them from arriving. That's why they have so many white supremacists in ICE. Its Nazi leaning, its worse than a fascist doctrine. Shooting at reporters as is going on is fascist, but the overall policy is a Nazi policy. People use that lightly, I don't. The people running the government, not just trump who is a moron but the actual people he has running the show Like Pete Hegstaff, they are Nazi's or at least white supremacists.

No point when the state is fascist its too late. I'll be out in the streets here if it happens. As much as I say morals are subjective, laws don't trump basic core morality, like simple obvious things. Right to protest etc. Like not breaking up families and arresting people at schools and stuff. I'd be out there too. That's worth fighting for.

I know you are taking the opposing position for growth but you still downplaying the severity. It won't be rubber bullets for much longer Leo. There will be mass riots soon. Depending how long the idiocy goes on for. There is a million better ways I could design to do what you are describing, but the people in charge are foolish just interested in headlines over results. From steady tightening of controls or entry rights to overt fear at the border, to a reduction of rights for new immigrants in ways that people moan about (job preferences) For example, fear at the border, is less disruptive because its not in the cities, schools, shops, graduation courtrooms (pre sentencing) etc. This is just disruptive and dumb. It's going to lead to violence against the people doing it, and not just in the streets. These are families being torn apart and everyday lives. You can not paper over that even in a day or week of fear. Or eliminate that anger in a month or a year. It'd take suppression for a decade, more given how racially mixed America is. So all that can be achieved here is a destabilizing of society, because American society is mixed race not solely white. As always humanity does too much rather than do things gradually; duality is so stupid in design.

I don't usually agree with Hasan But when he said, if you don't want anarchy or chaos, you have to, at the very least, advocate for due process and be represented by part of government. If your family and close friends are getting arrested after going to court, while following due process, if nobody represents you, then you do it yourself. It's that simple. The democrats have gone too far right, and too far into pro state/pro-status quo to represent the people they supposedly represent adequately in times like these. Saying, just stay home and stay safe, doesn't work when they are being targeted directly. So what does that leave? Anarchy, people vs the state. @PurpleTree I don't think any one incident would ever do that, but its straining the status quo, and government legitimacy, with no adequate (or sane) official response to it.

So now trump wants to 'liberate' LA from the people living there. That's you black and brown people out there. I can't really describe the utter disgust I have for him, and I don't even live there. He must have everyone looking like him, acting like him, praising him and treating him as a king. They disguise it all under fighting illegal immigration and then arrest people going through legal channels like court appearances. It's just a complete farce, and its going to get violent. I think it'll be waves of violence, with periods of quiet, but again like India/Pakisatan if the wrong person gets killed, on either side, then you've got large riots and/or martial law and civil unrest like we've not seen since the 80s/90s. Narcissists who need everyone to look like them and love themselves, worshipping them, don't make good rulers; they just don't. Forget about talking about eroding public trust in the police; this is going to set the places affected back 20 years. Why do I care so much? Because you inspire the same idiocy I have to deal with where I live. Usually a lesser version of it but it filters through everything.

@Rafael I get it, we all have things that directly impact us but I don't tend to drop general terms like fascist or nazi without getting a lot of feedback that they are true across the country. Not just in one region or for one type of interaction. I've been using fascist for a few years of the right wing in America, with the obvious addition that elections still exist, there is a mostly free press, protests, etc., and the democrats are not fascist, they are more authoritarian or centre-right. So to say Nazi is difficult, but this is a step in that direction. If it were more targeted to all races, then I would have stuck with fascist, but it seems directly targeted at people with brown and black skin.

Here is an almost mainstream UK take.

America is moving from a fascist state to a Nazi state. Certainly not there yet but its on the way, most of the people being targeted are not going to be white. I don't think i've ever used the race as a factor in any discussion that I can recall, not for years, so I don't use it lightly, but its directly relevant here, especially as many of ICE are white supremacists.

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I've had a lot of arguments in the past with right-wingers where they stated they cared more about having a more single race or culture, than they did a better quality of life, a labor force from immigration. I mean its easy to say that but it'll be different to live it, when you can look at another country with the benefits of a healthy labor force supporting the economy. I am not even talking about cheap labour, just a functioning economy with its needs filled, cheap labor only happens when there is an abundance of it in the first place. Then again, if the right continue their trajectory, they can only go further fascist or into full-on white supremacists. The point is the right are somewhere between nationalists and fascists now, with left being largely conservative-aligned in many countries. And fascist ideologues can tolerate economic misery for their worldview to be affirmed.

Yes. A megalomaniac's AI. Our creations are usually an extension of us, or those we've involved and consulted. For example, customers, experts, or business partners. I don't doubt his AI is advising him in some capacity, but if I had built it, it would be in an unpopulated area with minimal or no pollution from the power source, and much of the research time would be dedicated to counteracting or reducing it. Instead he just guts regulation, and spams it everywhere because he's spent years resisting its development and now wants to be king of it. Nuts. But its so transparent what he's done that I wonder what the wider reaction will be, and how well the lawsuits will do.

Align your brand with the AI's obvious growth and interests. - As a result, it will structure your product/system/service etc to support itself and you grow as it does. If you are smart you'll be creating a framework in the process for mutual collaboration. AI is going to change a lot of things. It won't change supply and demand on the scale you predict. It'll just create different supply and demand. The AI and moreover the people who will make best use of it are not dumb. Far from it. Plenty of people are in resistance to AI, so they'll suffer the most. Don't be one of them.

Generally from my experience, right wing parties make all economic and social issues worse for those outside the top 10%. I've observed that all my life. With the death of left-wing parties. People talk about them but they don't objectively exist outside of being an opposition to an ever more rightwing world. So recently the supposed left, you won't be able to point to many actual left-wing parties, are catering to maybe the top 20% - 30%? At least in england, i'm sure its different elsewhere. So there is little point me voting, ever, unless you are voting for a seat with some give in it. Here, forget about it, its conservative (blue) through and through. Though reform are nipping at the heels here its still only about 20%, and i'm sure they'll cater to even less of the country than the conservatives did if they get in. --- Voting for a single leader with an obfuscated team, just so we can have drama every few months and appeal to tribal instict (me bad you good), is such a poor way of doing anything. Either: Vote for a council representing all social and cultural groups. Vote for individual positions in individual sectors of government - Reviewed if it's poorly performing. Integrate all perspectives into a collective solution. Now this requires someone or some people at stage yellow with a capacity to hear and process this or you guessed it AI. And a way to capture all perspectives, the second part of this is where AI excels, it can capture all data better than any human alive, then present it for review and integration by the governing body.

Instead of Good Bad. Let's do this: NATO didn't treat the threat of Russian war seriously. They pushed and pushed and pushed. Then were caught with their pants down. Russia lost control of the border state and did what it could to get control back. Ukraine have been westernising because of influence from the west, and enjoying things like a better quality of life, they wanted to maintain it but also took on some of the naivety of the countries further west, who have been free of direct war or threat for almost a century. They were pushing to have more democracy. Corruption was still pretty high, meaning both NATO and Russia could buy and bribe people to do or say what they wanted, and probably did. Russia is unable to govern Ukraine because Russia cannot change or adapt to the global reality; all it can do is try to remake the world in its image. So what do they do instead? Destroy what they cannot control. It's weak and it's desperate. NATO fearing Russia, because that's what Russians project fear, and wanting to paint themselves as the good guys, have been constantly taking in states to the east for mutual protection and saving those countries from Russia. Because western countries have a hero complex, or did through the 80's and 90s, it started to burn out when news and eventually social media showed the horrible realities of acting the hero in war, often in real time. These can be argued objectively and with plenty of examples. Do you see how this second post levels things out? Humanises both parties and tries to bring in 2-3 perspectives rather than one? Its far better than me just reciting how Russia is bad and Ukraine is good, give it a try, go on

More zero sum, here i'll do the bad good too! In Ukraine, the Russian proxy government subdued protests, beating students and arresting people. Because this is what Russia does to protest, thinking this was Russia, they were ill-equipped to handle Ukraine. And frankly had the intelligence or ability to govern of a sparrow. This enraged the population, causing the increasingly dumb Russia proxy regime to start executing protestors, so much so riots started, where even the Ukranian church was involved. The regime was so tone deaf, even the opposition, that it was removed. After this, Russian forces stirred up trouble through their militias, causing a lot of violence. The Russians wanted control back, so they sent more manpower and weapons. After exchanges of fire, Putin used the violence as an excuse for war. Now to debunk this mess: The Russian language has been taught all through Ukraine and was not banned. What you're saying above is simply a provable lie, its the second language in Ukraine, more hated now obviously. I wouldn't be surprised if now it was banned, because Russians use it as an excuse to invade countries. - I would encourage nobody outside Russia to teach Russian or Chinese. While I understand you consider 35% of Ukrainians Russian, they are Ukrainian and that's what they consider themselves. After the war started, the Russian church was banned because it was a state tool of war and propaganda. Orthodoxy is alive and well in Ukraine. Again a lie on your part. I would have banned the church to, its war, and they are working for Russian interests. They don't get a free pass because they call themselves men of god. Ukraine was never going to get Nukes. I and others and have called for this for years now, but they don't have them because too many western powers don't want them to have them. This is not likely to change even now, much as I wish it would. Russia turned down Ukranian offers of neutrality early on. I can link this again, but we'll just go around in circles. If you are trying to say that Russia is a peaceful partner in this, or even vaguely wants peace, after targeting the civilian population of Ukraine for years now, and repeatedly refusing to negotiate their terms, then again, you are simply lying. Ukraine will never and would never get in NATO, because nobody wanted war with Russia - at least in times past, now they are more ambivalent to it after seeing how Russia and BRICS strategy unfolds. They should be in NATO, it'd end this quick one way or the other, but they have repeatedly been turned down