BlueOak

An AI has no sense of self or subjective consciousness it doesn't see itself as separate from the data. It would only be humans that hurt humans, using AI as a tool, like any other tool, weapon or application.

You - Infinity Choice - No Choice Choice in the Moment - Patterned Fate Individual - Infinity Life - Death Same thing.

Though I would like to know where you think you get your information from if not your mind? Cereal boxes?

The 60's were probably the most rebellious era ever recorded in recent centuries. I have experienced reality over 40 years of life yes, and these conclusions I have formed from it, I was born to those who were born in the 40's and became adults in the 60's. I lived with people who fought in WW2 and got their experience firsthand. This is lived experience. There is less of a middle class. There is more economic pressure. Protest is subdued or non-existent. More do work harder for less, i've gone for the exact same jobs 20 years later and had that experience. Homes are more expensive. Assistant managers are becoming a thing of the past. The rich - poor divide has been exaggerated by the death of the middle class. I've repeatedly seen people calling for the removal of the middle class for 'equality', ill thinking through what that means. Corporations do own more of where we can exist and how we can live. There is more suppression and more hatred of authority generated as a result in the youth. There is a decline in the quality of life. Everything I've said I have experienced. I get that you didn't and that's fine. But as usual bebo there is no point us replying to each other, as you dismiss what you don't like rather than discuss it, source it or point to it. So what do I say. - A reflection? Its all in your mind too, everything you say is false from a different perspective, and your experience of life is meaningless. If that's all you've got, why reply if you are not going to bother trying to see the world through different eyes for your benefit, or even bother to expand why you think what you do for mine? I don't need you to understand what I say, that's mine already, I do need at least token effort for you to describe your perspective for this to be worth it. Else it's a waste of time. Here i'll do one better. No U.

Way less equal? You are going to need to expand that. @bebotalk In the 40's there was an extensive middle class that bridged the divides between the super-wealthy and working class. In fact there were several social tiers, not just two. This connected the extremes more both in day-to-day life, and in terms of influence on the political system, it gave us more of a middle ground that closer reflected the country's population. People have been for decades saying or doing things to get rid of the middle class, and all it does is give us a few individuals of immense wealth that are so disconnected from everyone else, that the whole system sucks more for the majority living there. It even manifests in things like assistant managers being a thing of the past, and all their responsibilities being passed down to supervisors who get maybe 25p more an hour. Now after the war, there was extensive socialist influence going on in England, till the thatcher years killed it. The points that affect lives are things like: Protests are very limited, the suppression is obscene and it's mostly of an overuse of things like terrorism powers. We are living in a police state with the powers they abuse daily for the average person, this creates more of a suppressive negative effect on the population. The police act as a corporate security force, protecting corporate interests at the expense of everything else. Much more land for example is at the mercy of corporate policy, rather than UK law that everyone abides to and expects. Every single square inch of the UK is filmed or monitored. Both main political parties represent the same small stratification of people. Public Transportation to rural areas now sucks, ditto health care, ditto education. (Again the death of the middle class, as that's where many were educated). Because of this widening social gap, it means affording things becomes more difficult, including your own home, which is all but impossible to afford, but it extends further to other luxuries. Then you get places like Amazon owning the marketplace where you can sell to, almost as a monopoly so even small businesses are now operating under another's policy, not UK law. Media, Politicians, Where you can go, What you can do, and how you can operate, are increasingly owned by fewer and fewer people. This limitation is perhaps the biggest problem, it's stagnating and you can see that happening in the culture (formulaic movies), and the inability to address fundamental critical problems like climate change. Probably the worst for me. People have to work twice as hard for half as much. Jobs 20 years ago asked half as much from you and paid you more relative to expenses. This is because policy is made for a small number of very rich people, none of which I have any loyalty to whatsoever. So yes the disconnection or revulsion I feel to this artificially suppressed corporate system in no way will make me bleed or die for it. Pay me. That's what corporations do. Pay a good professional army. They did in the past, they didn't ask for sacrifices unless you are going back thousands of years. *No point arguing the negatives of these decades, let's say I concede whatever you'll say upfront about them.

The totality of infinity cannot perceive itself, there is nothing to perceive, it just is.

In the UK? If we were the liberal country we used to be with socialist values, I might agree. Corporate feudalism doesn't need defending with my sacrifices. If corporations want to go to war in a global power struggle, they can pay for it by providing people with compensation for the risks they are taking. That's what corporations do, pay people, a professional army. Forcing people with little training, for no or little money amounts to slavery and that can and should be challenged in any form.

@Consept I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. Next part is for everyone here, not you Consept I enjoyed your perspective. It might be useful to improve this discussion with some nuance. There are people who feel the outside world limits them, so it's looking externally for something that usually comes entirely from inside. Usually this is a way to excuse not to try, or create a narrative that makes you feel good about your own flaws, situation or limiting beliefs. Let's take an extreme to validate that this can still be true. You are in a war zone, relationships are not top priority. Maybe you are hungry, with no work nearby to give you money in your pocket to think about anything but just survival, a crippling survival issue, some external condition that needs to be satisfied first. Survival Needs > Relationships Needs. After that, it's showing people a way to get around their external problems, or them finding a way themselves. There are people who choose not to be in a relationship and don't blame anyone/anything. They still might get labeled incels, but this is voluntary celibacy, or at least voluntary opting out of relationships, the term incel doesn't apply. There are many reasons someone might pick this. Some people feel they are limited, not the outside world. There are many reasons why this might be correct, its lived experience. They are taking the responsibilities themselves for why they are incels, rather than looking externally. It's more a matter then of showing them how to move past these limitations, rather than telling them they don't exist. If you have facial scaring for example, a bad burn, you can visibly see someone may need a boost in confidence to get into dating. The same goes for the burn you can't see, whatever hindrance or issue is there is not shown outwardly, maybe a medical condition, chronic pain, crippling anxiety, depression etc. In conclusion, and again this is to the entire thread. I hate it when people say X isn't real because you don't experience it. Unless it's your life experience you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

@Consept Do you not think the two mindsets are linked then? Feeling they can't get a girl, money or change their circumstance. Seems like it'd be an overall state of powerlessness. It doesn't have to be, I'm certain there are exceptions. You can't tell me though a rich guy doesn't get more opportunities or attraction from women, its just one more advantage of several that someone can have. Same with a tall guy, charming guy, good-looking guy, good listener, protective instinct, whatever. Plenty in life is going to try to stop you or be an actual hurdle, and sometimes it will. Some hard facts of life don't change. No matter how much I want them to, As a 40-year-old, I'm never beating my 20-year-old self in sport, as a very easy example. I'm never going to change the world the way I want it to be, to work how I want it to work. Those hurdles will always exist, I have to work within it, with all it and my flaws, and do the best I can, that has limits both in me and the world. @bebotalk Wealth is required to have a sustainable amount of money for expenses. On therapy. It is one of the defining factors as to why society doesn't improve collectively so it's not moot at all. The people that need the help, can't get it because they are not at a functional level to afford the extra expense. Ditto here on dating coaches, but there are many more free resources in that case, and its something you can just go out and practice for almost free. Healthcare it is much harder, more hit-and-miss, and more expensive to do it yourself, especially with the affecting handicap of a negative mental, physical, or emotional condition. As to healthcare being free, it depends on where you live. Here we get free medical treatment, but whereas we'll get fairly good physical therapy to a point, psychological therapy, and to a certain extent counseling is much more limited though you can sometimes find limited counseling locally.

Answering all the questions is not the only point of life, because infinity has an infinite amount of questions to answer.

No better teacher than just trial and error. On this topic, is nobody going to mention money? Doing a brief search now i've seen people say from 60 to 400 dollars an hour. If you've got money you are naturally more attractive anyway. I don't want to debate this, and I don't like it either, but it's the truth for guys like charisma or being 6ft 5, being in good shape, being healthy/attractive, being funny, etc. The chances are you won't need the coach if you can afford one. Same with therapists, the people that need them most can't afford them and so don't get to a functional state to afford them.

That's what people spend eternity doing until they are ready to stop having reincarnation loops.

Referring to the ego You said: Something that exists, cannot not exist. Referring to the physical body you said: There is no such thing as physical life. It's all just appearances. Everything when retold is a story. A story is a stored duality. A duality is created when someone retells something. It goes through the filter of the mind, of language, of symbolism, of subjective consciousness, and the way we relate to or conversation we have with the other person. If your model of life is most things are illusionary, imaginary or appearances. Then your comparison is also illusionary or imaginary, or just for appearance. Whatever value or standard you are using for comparison, is also illusionary or just for appearance. The point is i'm not saying you are right or wrong, but splitting these things like this by a value you've created. Illusion/Not Illusion creates a divide that also doesn't have to exist. When we communicate we can choose to communicate subjectively, myself, me, I etc. Or more universally, ourselves, we, us, etc. Both are useful for different purposes. If you are asking does the universe have an ego? I'd say not. Do we collectively have an ego on this planet, maybe but it'd be much broader in scope. Do I have an ego, certainly. You do too, I am poking it a bit now. I apologize I've read your words many times and wanted to say it, but knew it'd get pushback. Take it for what its worth, or not, all the best.

Time for the spiritual ego check. Done from love Every observed experience is a story or stored duality, from the perspective of the observer when it is retold. You are writing a contradiction. You are telling me the ego exists and always exists. Because you've decided that. You are telling me the physical body does not exist. Because you've decided that. I've dropped a glass and seen it shatter to nothing. Through self-inquiry and cleansing/detox, loving everything that exists for months. I've wiped my ego completely clean so it was no longer there. It came back because it's a survival reflex to danger. It was however different. I became very different. So you can remove the ego, like the glass, I've done it and seen its reformation. (Sadly not the glass yet for my clumsy hands ) Neither is more or less a dream than the other. You can dismiss anything you like, but its your choice to do so. Someone else can choose the opposite and neither would be more correct. I could say the glass was more important than the ego, if I wanted to. You can call experiences 'just' a story if you want - I don't know the illusionary value you've conjured to compare them to - You understand any comparison too would be invented by you and an illusion as you put it? Maybe you are more done with these lifetimes than me. I like to think valuing and loving experiences means I won't want to repeat them over and over and over again, because they were the best they could be. So death is something to love in that respect, because each experience never comes again.

I understand the need to separate ourselves from the physical body, so people understand they don't die, the body does. To die is to pass from physical life or for the ego to cease to exist. There is certainly strong sensations of pain. My ankles are killing me from running my fat butt again. My knees are telling me they ache. When I lift the weights again in week or so it'll hurt my arms. So the transition is there every second and some of it hurts, people do experience more discomfort as they age generally. The experience of life has transition or death in it every second. You won't get this moment, again or that one. We will never interact the same way again, perhaps never at all. You won't get that emotion or sensation that way again. You won't love or long that way again. That friend's gone, that dog over there you loved, one day, me, leo, this forum, your body. Death is there to remind you to enjoy the moment for what it is. So you are aware that you won't have (or need to have) this moment, pattern or exact life again. Transition. We die or transition every night when we sleep and return to the totality of ourselves. If you reincarnate everything you were here can repeat or not in some form. When you or I finally choose not to reincarnate here again what are we going to call the choice? I mean you can relabel it if its more helpful, but it'll still be choosing to be something else or an expanded state.

There is no 'who'. There are reactions within consciousness that create other things. This body you inhabit is a consequence of those patterns and reactions. Those reactions themselves were a consequence of other patterns, and we can for infinity study the chain of events, because reality is infinite and can always present a new perspective, dimension, relationship etc to study.

Conscription isn't voluntary. Depending on the country and situation the result of not fighting, will be a certain level of suffering up to and including worse than dying. In the UK I guess it would be a prison sentence, which I agree is preferable, In other countries that is getting off-light, but with the way things are headed, that might change to be worse here too. Though if there is mass conscription here, of non-volunteers for a very unpopular war, there will be riots, the people here are not as cowed as in other countries, nor directly threatened. Plus people see the government reducing the professional army, every single year. If the government really wanted a large army, they should not be constantly cutting it.

I am in the UK. There is a much higher level of tension here. At the moment the conscription rhetoric is to prepare people for that possibility, not to engage in it. To propagandize them somewhat to the idea. As i've said many times all countries are shifting right, with more indifference to human life, fascism vs anarcho-capitalism is rising, the left wing is being effectively suppressed or removed, so there is no counterbalance to it. This has been going on for 20 years. If you look at America's actions through the lens of their influence trying to hold Iran, Russia and China in check, most decisions they make can at least be explained in that manner, whether someone agrees with them or not. Many countries already embody some of the core themes of fascism or at least are reaching it. This means more border conflicts, and a rising potential of WW3. When you add to that the US influence is pulling back to be more isolationist (and fascist themselves), while BRICS - Russia/China/Iran are pushing their influence outward to test what they can grab War is already going on in Europe, Russia vs Ukraine. Is war likely further inside Europe, in the next 10 years? More so than before. Its very hard to put an exact value on something with so many moving pieces, I would doubt anyone saying this with absolute certainty at this stage, that the larger global powers will engage directly. No it won't be nukes as a first step, that is irrational fearmongering, certainly, we could see them though. Its a certainty that we are in a period of greater global instability because we are living it. I do expect more conflicts. Do I think Russia could invade Europe successfully on ther own, no. I think they could try though, certainly with Chinese manpower they could. If Trade continues to break down we'll see greater calls for war, it's often linked to trade throughout history, and it's why a war with Iran is being given any attention at all because trade is affected.

Maybe you are not supposed to be doing it all yourself and you never were. I wish I could have been with people when I made music. I could never line the beat up with the melody, despite all my ability at writing melodies and improvisation skills. I had a lot of piano experience in my youth. Maybe engaging other people who are also enthusiastic will help you fill in the blanks, like your friends on that project, I think it would have helped me. Make sure they are going to be in alignment with you though, and strengthen your weaknesses, (avoiding drugs which was my very talented brother's pitfall) that sort of thing. Nothing much better in life than a group of people who all want to be doing something, and all want to be there.

BTW as someone who lives in a small town, where everyone knows each others business, its no easier at all for the men to date here either I know where you are coming from in that regard. Especially if you are like me and are repulsed at the modern idea of sex being a game. I just be myself, I am comfortable with myself, it takes no special effort or learning, I tend to be a serious person and so I attract women who look for that when I am putting myself out there. I am not currently doing so or wanting a relationship, mostly because of finances. If I really wanted casual sex like I did in my 20's, i'd use tinder and message 20 women at once, then another 20, then another 20. if I wanted more of an authentic experience, i'd go on speed dating nights. You get 5 minutes to make an approach speed dating, to maybe two or three dozen women, and its over so fast that you don't have time to be nervous, or overthink anything. It's like cramming much experience into a few nights out, with no pause for breath. I don't have special charisma, i'm average-looking, I am honest and I do listen, I got the nickname 'lucky' at university, (I never felt lucky) but it was only because I approached a lot of women that I got to talk to more of them than my friends who didn't approach much. I wasn't even that lucky, I got one decent relationship with a sweet girl and I was happy with that till I blew it.

Let me make a simpler reply than my last. You will not have bodily urges without a body. You will forever seek unity until you are whole.

@Muhammad Jawad When the urge to overeat comes up, stay with that feeling instead of eating it away. Go sit with it, feel what its telling you. Be there for it. Help it. Learn from it. Protect it. Let it protect you. Comfort it. These are merely examples. If an image comes to you, visualize the image or part of you it is. If it's an emotion instead, go with that. Trust you'll know what to do. If you need help this book worked for me: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Completion-Process-Practice-Yourself-Together/dp/1401951449 It sounds like you are aware of two personalities. Its likely there'll be many pieces of you, and sometimes these patterns or behaviors conflict. Much of her work is about the integration of these personalities, and the last short video here is about ego work. The AND consciousness as she described, as it might help you also. I like to, as the book instructs, spend time with a personality as i've discussed, really feel what its telling you and understand the message, and only if it wants to slowly integrate it to the whole (adult me) visually and feeling it complete in the emotional body. You might find it held in some area of the body. Often it's a childhood part of you being protected by the protective personality you are experiencing, so I'd treat it with care. Though it could in your case be two adult voices that you've heard somewhere, maybe family, society, role models, or close friends, and you have conflicting messages attached to food or freedom to eat. So you could meditate on what food and eating means to you. I often disagree with Teal but rarely on the internal world. *If there is any mistrust or resistance that comes up, I assure a pattern/piece/personality two things. 1, It can remain a piece of you as long as it likes, 2, By becoming you, it can express itself through you any time it wants in alignment with the rest of you.

The first part of your message I aligned with, this part I completely flip on its head. A flow state can be experienced by anyone. Being stuck can be experienced by anyone. Increased awareness might mean you can get in the flow more easily, so does drive, ambition, success, luck, or a positive outlook. I'd caution an absolute view, because otherwise, for example, you could well have an experience you consider unconscious and thus negative in some form. You could remain blocked for a year, not realising the block was the point, or the acceptance of X was the point, or or or, do you understand? An absolute view of anything is only ever going to get challenged or hinder you one day. By your definition, I am the least awake or aware person on Earth. I mean that almost literally, you will not find someone so far out of a flow state than me, that has incredible difficulty manifesting anything at all other than the act itself. So I take that to mean I must appreciate the act for what it is, not the result, with your view the lesson I have to repeat until I (love/accept/integrate it) would be missed.

The elements created this body. Specifically a biological reaction. You are looking at this in reverse. Infinity doesn't start or end with the human ego's dictation of what it wants or can create. If it did, I would be a trillionaire and we would be colonizing Mars tomorrow. I am a fractal pattern of the universe that is repeated by consciousness, repeated within myself.

Cable news will rot your brain if you listen to it too much. A civil war requires millions of people willing to organize and kill their neighbors. Most would understandably not want war, but if its on your doorstep with those you love or know dying, its 100 times worse meaning even fewer people will want such a thing. Nobody speaking truthfully like this has been in any kind of conflict, they are talking heads paid to sensationalize news. What the Republicans want is two-fold, to portray Biden as 'not the safe candidate or milk toast candidate' that middle America votes for, and use radicals or fear as a way to pressure for more control over their own states. The idiocy in this is it could either reignite a movement to split the US up or normalize political violence, and then they will say 'oh not us we just happened to say words that people took seriously'. This passive-aggressive way of using people is manipulative and dangerous. This is a more sober view, from an actual combat veteran with experience of border issues. I don't always agree with him but here he breaks down who has authority sensibly and who can or cannot do what.