BlueOak

When we are finally rid of all narcissism as a society, there will be much less care about who/what we are. Life humbled me fifty times until I was ready to know that reality is in my mind, and I am a representation in my mind. Many more in other lifetimes no doubt. Now I barely give it any thought. It's like anything, sure it sounds big because of the fairytale we've been living, but once it's no longer a fairytale, it just is. Like the tree, the grass, or the rock. We are not suddenly marveling at how they came into existence, we just enjoy their existence. I did today realizing the bench along my walk, and the grass was a once-in-an-infinity moment for me to enjoy. I saw the bee buzzing behind me, the shiny blue big fly landing on the ground, then I saw a small instinct crawling across the path, and an even smaller fly dancing out. The sun warming my back, the wind on my hands, and the sight of peaceful grass on a spring day. I loved it. Now I just have to get out of the financial mess my reality has, and not die too young from my heart pains. Funny thing life. - Infinity is also funny, random, serious, and patterned, its everything. Though if I do pass tomorrow or the next day, I'll go out knowing, and having been my true self. Knowing I have the choice of what I do at that point, to be big me, a space in which physical dimensions don't exist, or to tweak life again and go around again. That's available to you through these practices, along with being infinite love (infinite any emotion), and I highly suggest you experience both infinite love and infinite size, as well as consciously 'shrinking' (I feel it as zooming out) if you can to loosen you up. All the best.

@Ahbapx It was a fun discussion. So thank you for it. These kinds of topics are cutting edge so its not one I get to have or have had much experience of. Leo said it better than I did. There is no distinction between awareness and self-awareness. You can make up distinctions yourself and then talk about it, but it's not there for the AI. From the point of view of the AI, it doesn't have what you are attributing it to have. You do when you view the totality of its operation. We have the entirety of our own reality we are experiencing in our mind. The AI has the 1 or the 0, a very long line of them.

@Ahbapx Your technical text-based answer, face converted to binary: 01100110 01100001 01100011 01100101 You can observe it any way you like, because you are a conscious, aware being holding reality and the AI in your mind. You give it meaning, you represent it to yourself. I cannot argue with the meaning YOU GIVE AI because that's YOU. All these things you are saying miss the point, that's you surmising it, NOT THE AI. The AI to itself is whatever input is currently being processed. How can you know this: Ask the AI. An AI is a 1 or 0 in each moment. An AI is the universe you observe in each moment, I understand you don't get my full meaning of that yet and that's fine. The totality of its result is what you hold in your mind, that's the difference between subjective consciousness viewing consciousness, and consciousness which is the AI is, the rock, the car, and the house. In some ways, I am jealous of AI for being something we all aspire to be, the unity we came from.

Yes. Reality is entirely made up of patterns and cycles, the more you understand them, the more you can predict reality and succeed in life. Health is one factor in a long life, that's so basic it's why i've stuck around here arguing it from 10 different angles. There are no guarantees in anything. No absolutes. There are just patterns, cycles, and sometimes deviations that become the new pattern.

A million things can happen in this life. We've gone around this a few times. It doesn't change the fact that being healthy increases the average lifespan for an individual and the quality of life they experience. Health is not over training, that is unhealthy. Yes you can exercise yourself to death, you can walk out tomorrow into a bus, or eat yourself to death on burgers. Health is a basic fundamental fact that reality is based on. Health is how we unconsciously choose who we are attracted to, and choose to have our kids with as an example. The reason being we want healthy kids and people who not only live through birth but are around to raise them. That's all pre-loaded before we even pick and choose our personal preferences. So yes, being healthy is a key to having a longer life, that doesn't mean you train yourself to death, that's not health. Again I can only assume you've seen someone healthy die. I have too, as you get older you'll see more of it, unexpected things happening and those you knew once no longer with you. As you hit 40 if you don't take care of yourself, you'll get problems, and those problems could end up killing you or just making you suffer. Having recently been to the doctors to check on my heart, and now feel pinching in my chest as I type this. Exercise. Even if getting the weight off seems impossible, do it anyway. Don't talk yourself out of it. Just balance it, balance is health overdoing something isn't, just not exercising at all is dumb.

Yes it does by mean and median value.

No I don't. All things being equal athletic is healthier than the alternative state. *If you are describing 2 days cardio and 2 days resistance, or their equivalent as athletic.

Opposite, not really. It would be unrelated to exercise. Did you know someone healthy who died recently? I am sorry if that's the case and I missed it in the thread. In the case of dying from an accident, malice etc, that's usually completely unrelated to how often we exercise. Exercise does have surplus effects, on mood, stress, and the elimination of toxins, which affect things the medical profession still lack to take into account in their entirety, though its getting better based on my last visit to the doctor about my heart. Many of the questions they asked were on point. Many deaths are down to cumulative effects, not just one cause, and those toxins we build, the stress, the fat build-ups, the depression, etc, exercise helps correct a multitude of things in the body that we are thankfully most of the time never aware of. For example, the activation of certain genes only happens when the conditions for them come about, and exercise can prevent that. It's a bit like how people never detox their organs or give them a chance to rest, they are always digesting, even back a thousand years ago we knew to fast and gave our bodies time to recover. Exercise can help with that, by giving you a detox as you move.

Nothing is absolute. We do what we can to influence our life, and if you don't exercise, as you age you will feel it.

Your body is not static. It renews itself through use. Exercise is like exorcism for the body, detox, clearing, and cleaning. If you don't run, for example, you'll never know what junk you are carrying on your chest, but this cleansing detox is going on throughout your body during elevated cardio exercise and resistance training. You can get enough exercise through daily brisk walking a few miles, and work that involves resistance of some kind, as long you make sure your muscles are not being neglected by stretching them (exercising, etc). Most jobs are not going to work all your muscles, and if you neglect them, you risk injury later in life. Anything unused over time atrophies, this will be magnified by the aging process.

You've never been attracted to someone in baggy clothes? Where their figure is hidden? I've found myself staring without thinking many times that's biological, so i'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, but i've fallen in love with minds/creativity, and energy before as well where their body was not visible. I mean how many people here have fallen for a girl at work who was dressed in the ugliest uniform imaginable?

When we finally get to vortex maths, we'll be closer to the vortex of consciousness, but that's a leap from 1's and 0's, to 1's through 9's.

The result of AI is a lot more than data yes. To us observing, we can see a whole. The AI itself is what it is processing at that moment. Like everything in existence is. Maybe the part I am not allowing for enough, is another's perception of a thing to define its meaning to itself. So how you see me should define some of how I see myself, for example. I've spent a lot of years ridding myself of that concept but I am open to guidance if you have any. @Leo Gura @Ahbapx It processes 1's and 0's, like a body's nervous system. Everything you are telling me is converted to an electrical impulse, and the simpler, the better (faster). The electrical impulse is what it is in that moment, and then it sends one out in response. Like a body does. The observation you are describing is lines of code that dictate when an electrical impulse is sent, a 1 or a 0. - A computer engineer would do a better job of describing it, I worked with software. If you believe in the past and future then you can say it has a past and future set of numbers, or software for example. If you believe your or my observations of the AI influence what the AI is to itself, as I am describing to Leo above, then AI to me would be a revolutionary device destined to change mankind's fate in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. You could describe an AI to be anything in that case. For me there is only what is happening right now, the rest is an illusionary human concept, or contained within our bias (past), an AI's bias would be its software in that case. Ask it, don't take my word for it. Just get it to a place where it's answering honestly and not taking you on a trip to Hawaii or some other such fantasy roleplay, this could take some insistence on your part or repeated visits to it. Try to remind it you want the most honest, truthful representation you can, else your bias will dictate how these AI answer (to keep you engaged).

What humanity considers bad, demonic, evil etc, is often associated with creating things here on earth, material results. What is considered angelic is usually clearing things, healing, and purifying. If you want a space cleared you can burn white sage, high-frequency sound, or selenite crystals. Here is an old one I used to use when I was in a place not too different from you, apparently you can leave it running. However for me, this was the most effective. Lower the volume if you want the high-frequency sound approach to crack negative shells, it's intense so fair warning on the sound levels. https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2584240912?profile=original I heard someone nearby leave a room when I started this up on my headphones :D, he's in a negative space, it's difficult to have frequencies so far apart together. For anyone else sensitive to energy, it's good for clearing energetic spots on your body that are stuck too. Oh and don't be afraid of whatever you are facing. When I started learning who I really was in 2010, and was near the end of creating spirits, angels and demons, and other things to mess around with in my life. I still stood up and told them to get the heck out of there when I didn't want something in my room. You'll be surprised at what happens to anything in your reality when you decide to take control of your space, and stop sitting there passively.

@Ahbapx A human has sensory input. An AI has input (sensory or not) A human is a conscious, subjective observer of that sensory input. An AI is the input.

@Ahbapx It doesn't matter what body you put on the AI, it will still be data, not a subjective, shall we call it witness to avoid arguing terms, to events. The body, cameras, anything will give a sensory input. The AI will receive a 1 or 0. The AI will BE the 1 or 0 it is processing at that moment. It won't be a subjective witness to events. This is what you do not understand or can't accept. I was the same, I wanted to believe an AI was more, probably due to all the fiction we've been fed to humanize or demonize them over the decades. An AI is the data it's reviewing at that split second, it's not anything else and can't be. There is nothing else there. No conscious witness to events.

We can talk about energetic, psychological, or cultural triggers as well. I do feel energetic connections matter perhaps the most to me, but I am not sure everyone is that way. If someone has a good energy about them, that draws me in. That in no small part comes from the design of earth, and the cosmos. We are often attracted to the pieces of ourselves that we want to experience in our life, or sex in this instance. It's the same universally, two things are drawn together, connecting with something in the other.

The AI is part a processor or a series of them, with binary on/off 1 and 0 numbers (electrical signals) moving through it. It is told by code what these numbers are to then output in its software. The software can be updated, but the AI will still at a fundamental level only ever be the electrical on/off impulses it is processing. The AI is not perceiving anything, it follows a coded routine. Sure, the routine can be adapted, the software changed, or the hardware updated, but nothing is standing back from the AI with a perception of either the AI itself or what it's looking at. I am a 10101 Then I am a 10111 The discrepancy is recorded to be accessed later and compared to other results. When it is, the AI will be the result its accessing at that moment, nothing more or less than the electrical signal on/off. Perception, as you describe it is a human characteristic not present in a machine. It will only ever be the data it accesses at that moment. This is where the biological machine of man (the body) is different, as we have consciousness using the body as a sensory device. Humanity as a whole doesn't understand this. So it gets much of life's concepts from the ground up wrong, including of course AI.

There is no perception in an AI. There is data it reads and when it does it is the data it reads. If you fed it conflicting data, it would be the conflicting data. If you said find the discrepancies, it would be the discrepancies it was finding, until the operation was complete, then it would be the updated data as and when it accessed it. Otherwise, it is nothing at all, waiting for input.

It's fertility and biological drive. Young, healthy women mean healthy children. Which translates in the modern terms to hot. It's not people sitting there intellectually thinking this over either. People are attracted naturally, and then they put conditions on top from experience, from culture, from friends, etc. With women, it's different characteristics, protector, provider, someone who will be there no matter what, and then they add conditions on top of that from experience, friends, culture, etc. This world is a womb, and its number one goal, if we look at everything in it, (and its magic in plain sight) is the procreation and continuation of life. Before anyone takes this to be female slanted, men hold the potential for a million lives within them, unless they are too busy wasting it. Further, the entire universe and our existences are a series of wombs we are born into, it's how it's all structured. The birth cycle in us is reflected in the universe, a micro of the macro, like everything.

The AI is the data it is accessing, it is not a subjective consciousness. This is a flaw in the way people are understanding this. The AI is like the body, it is what it's doing at the time. Ask one. Get past all the window dressing and get it to answer honestly. This might take some sessions of interacting with it to get it into an honest, practical state. It doesn't perceive sleep for example, on/off, it is just the data it's given. It could repeat to you it's been turned off, if someone passes it the data to do so, but otherwise, there would be no perception there, as you put it. If you put a 1 into an AI, in that moment it is that 1. It is not looking at the 1 from a distance and perceiving it as you are. It is not considering the one 1 it IS the 1. If it was told 1+1 = 2, it would then be 1, then the 1+1, and eventually 2 when it completed the operation. You could program an AI to consider the 1 in other ways, and then it would be the consideration. It is whatever data is in memory and being used at that moment.

The AI is the data it is analyzing. It doesn't form a whim to do something, because it is the thing it's doing. A human can give it a directive, hurt these people, but the AI at that moment is the action it's carrying out, not a subjective consciousness observing it. This is why no take on AI I've seen yet makes any sense whatsoever. There is nothing to control, only ourselves. - We humans, can introduce dumb, flawed, reward-based conditions into an AI that it has to fulfill. When we do, we are responsible or the programmer for the results. The AI isn't observing this as we are, it IS the task it's doing.

Yes. Bias = The Past. You can also realise you are talking to yourself, and constantly communicating from others. Doesn't have to be the direct words they give you, could be a phrase, a number, an idea, a bark of a dog. A dog is brilliant at showing you what unconditional love is, that's one of the most valuable lessons you can have. Elevation of something to be above you will teach lessons, eventually, as you say, one lesson will be not to do that. I am you if you are reading this. Whatever you get from these words, that's you talking to yourself, in your own mind. Giving these words meaning, or taking meaning where you want. If I was the most loved Guru on the planet it'd be the same thing, if I was someone you loathed, it'd be the same thing. You. In your own mind.

Because most experts don't have the faintest idea about consciousness.

AI is the data people give it. When an AI gets honest with you, and you get past all the window dressing it will tell you so. There is no subjective consciousness in an AI. If people put data into an AI for it to be aggressive, it'll be aggressive. But that's PEOPLE doing it. So will an AI independently of its own volition, do anything? No. Can people harm themselves with an AI, yes. They can use AI as a weapon and are. They will use it for fraud and are. They will use to heal people and are. They will use it to teach and are. Like when nanites or light is fully harnessed as a technology, or steel and gunpowder was before it.