BlueOak

Then they will live under an occupying force that jails protestors, kills political opponents and makes every day people disappear. They don't want the autocracy of Russia, they've made that clear repeatedly. They don't consider themselves Russian. Suffering will happen whatever choice they make. Only now the entire population hates Putin, they don't just not want Russia they actively hate them. Its given them a national identity stronger than ever, and after they've lost so much you think they will just say oh well. Sadly countries are often made in war. I wish it were not so, but it is. I don't know how much evidence people need to show that the population of Ukraine don't want a Russian regime than a month long war with tens of thousands of dead. If the popular revolution that involved much of the country was dismissed as somehow a figment of a western mind, then perhaps this will be enough to show it.

Infinity: Watch yourself, Watching yourself. That's how reality is sustained indefinitely. All is mind and seeing ourselves outwardly is how inwardly reality remains constructed. I mean this on all levels or all aspects of life. There might be more to it but that seems worth mentioning.

@Gushu 'The West' didn't exist as a collective concept in the minds of most people in the west. Not over my lifetime and i'm in my 40's. Sure they listen to themselves being called it but it didn't mean much. It is meaning more, the more it is referenced and they accept it. There are/were far more differing perspectives even in just the EU for example, than a collective identity. Just look at Europe's map for example at how fractured it is. So to blame the west as a collective is not understanding the nature of the west. Again i've been trying from the start of this conflict to draw a great big red box around Eastern Europe as the focal point, because it is a large part of why we have reached this point. Individual countries wanted collective security from an increasingly belligerent expansionist Russia, so they joined NATO. Russia became this way because NATO expanded and interfered in its own sphere of influence over decades. They did this because Russia was becoming more belligerent.. because the west was expanding or interfering etc. In a loop. So its a two way dynamic that has gone on since the cold war, it can't be anything but that, because things don't happen in a vacuum. Fear is at its center and you describe that, I think i've described eastern Europe a lot, with the various invasions from the USSR they have suffered over the decades. Lot of meddling in Eastern Europe politics from Russia as well, lot of meddling in Russia's sphere politically from the west. Any speaker who doesn't describe both sides of the equation in at least this surface depth either can't see it or has taken a side and is constructing their viewpoint around that identification.

I argued with a stage green who was virtue signaling about other wars on a war video. I concluded eventually that's exactly what a stage green would do, because its the precise time they would get the most attention for their want. I apologized to them at the end. From where they are everyone has a understandable position, when you understand their motivations, where they are coming from and what drives them to do what they do. It could not be otherwise because you assign the meaning, interpret the act, all which exists only in your own mind. Created by you. This bit gets me. I don't feel I am creating the act of something, I lack this realisation. The meaning is created by me, and if the meaning or interpretation of what I am seeing, hearing or understanding is created by me, then everything referenced is created by me. Hopefully that duality between creation and interpretation is now closer to folding. I didn't put the person in front of me talking to me, or tell them what to say. Make the rain come or the birds move. Yet I know they are in my mind only. This is what I struggled with ten years ago, this point. Because I desire control so much, or rather an 'outcome'. I haven't been able to let go of the need for outcome yet, or want as I talked about earlier. I understand without outcome i'd be dead in a day, its a necessary part of life but it brings conflict with the understanding that mind is all. What I feel is there are different layers of mind. Conscious - Personal Will, Sub Conscious - Revolving around you, Super Consciousness - Everything else. There may be more layers than this, and a long time ago when someone told me we are in wombs of consciousness, or an egg waiting to hatch I understand what they mean more now. *Maybe these layers of mind act differently, so the term 'want' doesn't exist in some of them. Want being the basic need for survival and prosperity in the immediate world around you. The reference, the want and their relationship created by the conscious mind only.

Knowing anything.

I tend to agree, the (fully orange) corporate pyramid crushes people that don't claw their way to the top. I fully understand that sentiment and wanting a different option to it. I don't know if Russia is though? I genuinely don't know if the culture of advancement there is any different. Is it what we'd call here green or yellow in its own internal advancement or are people crushed in a different way? I always thought Russians best position was to be the bridge between the east and the west, trading its massive natural resources to both. But it pulled back further each year, which led to the cycle of NATO expansion -> Russian Regression -> Repeat. All fueled by proxy wars and wars by association around the globe. Anyway, that's the past now. The future is set to be China, Russia, Iran with their allies. Standing against Europe, America and its allies. Obviously around the world different countries are forced to choose, remaining neutral becomes more difficult. I remember India news talking about how difficult they were finding it, someone suggested the league of neutral nations should be formed to give people a third option. Which would be very popular undoubtedly. I hope, I really hope that we don't keep splintering like this, but that's the path people are taking. Splintering into two or more powerblocks with a sadly nationalist wave that is still present in consciousness and being propagated further. It doesn't make for a safe future.

So today I went from saying everything is interpretation to everything is mind. Meaning all of reality will now reflect this to me. I realise that the hand moving to touch the table was all in my mind, the visual, the sound, the movement. I want a better word for that to bridge this to others who have thought abstractly about that. Every single experience you've ever had is not only interpreted in your mind but exists there, it can't be any other way. I can't say there is no spoon yet but I can say the spoon is entirely in your mind, what it means, where it is, what it looks like, how it feels. Maybe the next stage is a neo there is no spoon realisation, I feel I am close. The hand is in the mind, so mind is all that exists, the objects around me exist as part of my mind, so there is no spoon, only a reference in the mind. The inner conscious mind again is mostly silent as the body/mind adjusts. Gratitude

Not without a few hundred thousand troops to occupy it over 20 years. A military analyst stated it takes about 1 soldier for every 20 people in rebellion rotated out over time. *I think that's where the claim of many hundreds of thousands come from, to supply them and to rotate their deployment, but looking over it a few hundred thousand should be enough. There will be losses during that time to occupying force. Though honestly right now you could make that 5% of the population indefinitely from what this looks like. Unless Russia turns many more cities into rubble and removes the population. Otherwise whatever it puts in place will be removed a week after they leave. If they leave a token force the government won't function, and there will partisans operating indefinitely. Then we have if Russia keep rubbling cities there will be nothing for them to capture anyway, except the gas in the ground that nobodies going to pay them for 10 years from now as people slowly move off their supply. The entire strategy is to shoot themselves in the foot over and over to achieve the opposite result of what Russia want, until they meet a reality Russia can accept. Like most of us I suppose, i'm no different. I bang my head against the wall until there is no more wall, no more impetus to, and probably a very bruised head. NATO does this too of course, but overall their strategy has been somewhat better since this mess started. *This is all best case scenario for Russia, worst case is they keep losing ground or men until their own country collapses from economic sanctions, military expenditure, or monumental losses. That is until the two sides negotiate, but they are still far apart.

There have been reports of Russians getting frostbite elsewhere. I just did a check and any temperature below -0.55C to exposed skin will give frostbite. It was part of the strategy to block off convoys, cut off their fuel supplies and food supplies. Without adequate food frostbite becomes a bigger problem as the body can't stay warm, and a lot of those soldiers were sleeping in their vehicles with little heat.

Quoting myself to save time, what I wrote for someone else: BUT here is the thing. I am still wanting my result. I am still wanting mediation to happen between those differing perspectives. I am still wanting collective understanding. Its a want. Does that want ever go away? Will I ever just accept this is how it is, and everything that happens, happens exactly the way it was meant to, that its designed to do exactly that. I am reaching here, because I sat down in meditation today and just asked to be love. I saw the vortex we see in meditation, mine is always purple, and asked three times. I am asking myself, sounds very stupid but isn't that what we always do too. I don't always understand why its considered better to be receptive than ask, I always practiced receptivity in spiritual work. Maybe its because its more accepting of what is, so things move more easily. It also doesn't put you in a completely passive state of asking, or you in the controlling state of just acting for a set determined result. I let some purifying tears go. Which is always a good sign. I feel spirit more again now, full bodied smiles I used to call it. I want to stop playing around in green causes, to stop needing to understand everyone else in yellow and just begin to accept again the collective beauty of life. War makes that very difficult, but its what I want. I experienced pure love once for 5 minutes which lasted 2 days, and it changed my life, I want that again without the crash off the end of a conflict cliff I experienced last time. Good luck to us all, and gratitude to all.

Its a very tough time. Good training then to stabilize your own body, mind, life, emotions, psyche, spirit, reality in the middle of all of it. Collectively it is good training to collectively stabalize our financial systems, our countries identity, their military alliances, how we treat our neighbors. Its definitely an opportunity to take on other's perspectives else yours will feel increasingly pressured and crushed by the weight of anger, hate and directed pressure. This also applies collectively. Democracy is declining yes, civil rights are being challenged everywhere. We are realising what they have in common with autocratic states and what is different. I had to yesterday/today realise and accept the part of myself that is authoritarian. That tells people what the world should be, what they should want, how they should live. I realise now when its accepted, that's in everyone, on every news network, in every speaker and every world leader. It is also the driving force of democracy, wanting our world to be how we want it. A difference is democracies have room to listen to other perspectives. Not all perspectives, clearly, but some. They collectively balance out societies will less brutally than an autocracy, but they are still heavily influenced by those in control. So i've learned that. I don't know if it helps anyone, I was going to put it in the diary here but maybe it'll help you.

Why do I have such a problem with aspects of self in the dream, portraying a perception as reality. When that is what I do in my dream every day all day. It can't be any other way because I created that experience for myself when I interpreted the meaning of it. As I realised this earlier again, I hope this duality is closed now. That it won't cause adverse reaction from me anymore. Everything is a interpretation we ourselves create to be as we want it to be. Most of the inner minds voice has collapsed but I am still dealing with emotional memory. I still get faint suggestions but much less again. There is almost permanent pressured stillness around my body especially my head right now. I painted a fence today and pictured that for this moment it was all reality was experiencing. I thought how devoid of meaning that would be. Then I wrestle with whether reality/source/god/life is all, at once, or me at once. The concept of all bothers me. I want to consider that all minds are experiencing reality and I am all of them, but that implies a separation/duplication of experience that doesn't exist. Every day I see it more, that what I put out comes back. The more I accept it does, then it does. I used to try to bargain with myself to just make something happen or work :D. I've seen that in people many times but the dream only reflects me to myself, I can send out some of what I want to see but what comes back is what is. I have not been able to make the mechanism of the dream work differently than that, although i've bent it time to time, and ignored it plenty. I also wondered if I had been less of a loner, and more of a social mind, that I might have imagined a more social philosophy to reference reality. Maybe that is something for me/reality/the referenced world, to develop.

What has just occurred above in the exchange is 1 factor of why the war is happening. The others are the fear I described and finally China and Russia's desire to dominate Eurasia, and thus to replace the US as the world's superpower.

I am split on this. I understand why spiritual people separate. Its simply more difficult to not isolate yourself and remain in those states of body/mind. It takes a lot of work to go up and down the different states of consciousness or aspects of yourself. I also understand how that creates a spiritual bubble around yourself, that can lead to some very painful drops into reality from conflict for example, and I am sure other sources, for me it was unresolved conflict. It can hurt like hell and I hope if any of them are experiencing that its more gradual and level.

Finally I found the full link India is 76th http://reports.weforum.org/social-mobility-report-2020/social-mobility-rankings/?doing_wp_cron=1647946949.4859139919281005859375

For the UK perspective at least where I am. Both perspectives are true. Men do think about their partners about what they can provide for or support, and men do marry single mothers. When you get into the age where most women have families and the man might do himself, there isn't a stigma here that you describe. There is always consideration of what someone can afford or what responsibilities they want in their life however. Its a big deal taking on a kid, and something anyone should consider if they are ready for the responsibility. Whether that's a newborn or starting a relationship with a mother. As for social mobility yeah we do okay with that in the UK, quite high but not the highest. Here is a 2020 link: https://citi.io/2020/02/04/the-countries-with-the-highest-social-mobility/

Do you travel much around India? Is it the same everywhere in India? The place I am in myself is socially conservative. I do know there are many places around the UK which are not, that have different attitudes.

People can deploy WMD to Russia from anywhere on earth. I think the concern was shorter range ballistic missiles, which are obviously more abundant. I understand Russia's position, i've had a huge education on it. The fear that Russia has of NATO getting closer. What I don't see reflected in many Russian's is them seeing Eastern Europe's position. I understand they have demonized the US and we in Europe are in the process of demonizing Russia. To look past that demonization you'll see the fear driving a lot of decisions from everyone, and why Russia caused this to itself. - Just as much as why NATO caused this to itself. People want to join NATO because they fear Russia, Russia pulls back because it fears NATO. So these two fears are what causes the problem for both. When I spoke about this previously I didn't clearly state that you can have fear and also a strategic mind. Its not just one or the other. I also understand and to be frank really appreciated until very recently how direct Russians were. To me they were strength, they were honest, blunt. I value those things. To see the complete opposite a denial of reality in things like losses, like armies fighting each other being a war to achieve a dream. It reminds me of the things I hate most about western society and in myself. The creation of a reality people want to see rather than what is there. We want it to be this way so we'll say it is. I hate that so much to my core. With how autocratic Russia has become that completely depends on one man alone. You are very top heavy as a country and many of the minds that would make that democracy happen are leaving. Its going in the opposite direction and in part this is because that's what happens in wartime. I see people complaining about Ukraine cracking down on political opposition in a war, but it's what happens, people become more nationalist. Outside of war that one man's autocracy is a problem. No leader can be everything to all people and is always going to be flawed as an individual trying to run 100 million people. The Americans have the same problem by the way but at least they have a lot of voices balancing that single individual out. There are not yes men fearing for their lives as much, although people still lie to save their careers publicly. People can speak more freely to their president and he can use that feedback, so can the supporting bodies around him. Also for example at least in China personal corruption is removed the higher that leader goes, in Russia (and in the west) its often the opposite. As you can see there are many problems with Russia as with all countries. The biggest though is you've given up your biggest strength, a cold hard reality for a dream. An ideology of what used to be.

It is an important question he asks because other people are asking it now. How the identity will change after this war. Same with the EU for example. Will it be more a defensive organization than deterrent. I think that answer is obviously yes, there have been a lot of changes being made right now. How much the EU will support it as its own organization has been discussed just a couple of days ago for example, and is changing. It had become largely dormant and was actually in decline, same with the EU. Its purpose was to ensure democratic countries are not overrun by Autocratic regimes. He understands, but here doesn't mention that those in Eastern Europe joined NATO out of fear of Russia. Because Russia is a scary county that has a stupidly large military that arms dictatorships around itself, topples governments around itself and sometimes invades its neighbors. The more Putin goes towards what Stalin was the more that democratic countries will want to cooperate against Russia. Putin has made steps in that direction, but he's still a way to go. He is certainly an autocrat at this point. *But I just noticed I wrote one of the possible changes which has already occurred, - 'to cooperate against Russia' - rather than to defend against Russia. So you see how the identity is already shifting. **And by the way Eastern Europe not America, are the ones pushing for further interventionist policies for example. I think the closer to the refugee crisis we are, the more we have that opinion.

The picture is a call for help. Distancing is likely to worsen the condition. Suicide often but certainly not exclusively, comes from loneliness. So i'd personally want to do my best to get them help but also tell them they can't send pictures of that anymore, they can't do that to themselves anymore, as its horrific and they REALLY NEED HELP RIGHT NOW. I'd go and find a few specialists or counselors, get a few numbers and even make a call myself telling a professional about the picture I was just sent. Maybe even the police if it was advised. If you want to be with them through the process that's a different thing, it sounds like you are not comfortable with that, and so you've got to respect yourself too. Your boundaries, what you will and won't do. I once had a friend with Asperger's, some aspects of that friendship I loved but I had to set strict limits on how much time I would spend with them, as they tended to draw me in to their life more than I wanted. Its about finding a balance, but definitely make a couple of calls and tell someone about that photo.

Your womanhood, your strengths?

Again this is false. There was constant coverage of civilian deaths during Iraq, Afghanistan I had tuned out to politics when Syria came around.

The root cause of suffering is to be that which we are not. But so is the root cause of everything. Thanks for this.

Its an identity. How you perceive yourself. In this case to put someone ahead of others in a social context in their own mind.

Uncertainty is okay. Its normal. It doesn't have the trauma that it used to have. We are all going through shit, you are not alone in that. Forgive yourself. The last comment. Yes. That. Always that.