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I don't feel like they are coming from hate but extreme ignorance. No matter how much evidence I provide they don't move an inch

I updated what I wrote. Yes in small ways it elevated I will agree there

Being where you needed to be at that time to get to where you are now only works if you have elevated. The west has been on a decline since 10-20 years ago and it did it to itself. Culture, values, and overall well being has been going down and everyone in the west is noticing and wondering about that and trying to find solutions even the kids know that something is going on. The West has not only declined for itself but took advantage and made a lot of enemies while it was in power instead of making friends for in case it ever loses power Meanwhile technology has leveled the playing field and other countries are catching up. Culture and values and health has remained at good levels in other parts of the world. People are more naturally mindful (they don't have to learn mindful exercises as desperately) have skills, education, speak multiple languages The West is being overtaken as the powerhouse of the world or at least is being tested and that's just how it is. Obviously from reactions we can see that Westerners are having a super hard time accepting this new reality and would rather blame, misrepresent, cry, victimize, demonize, become violent at everyone else. They will do anything to remain "superior" even if it means being delusional

I guess what I am saying is all these "bad" countries are only bad from your perspective. If you ask them they would say you are bad. Me personally I like both east and west and there are pros and cons to each but I think the east is a better place to spend your life in. Whatever solutions the west has of bridging the gap between west and east obviously is not working and only making things worse. Sorry for your loss but there is indeed blood on both sides and its just better if everyone learns from each other

Theres a huge problem with this whole "development" argument. I was trying to say it earlier in this thread when people were talking about stage colors to not pay attention to stuff like that First off all you don't know how developed you are versus someone else Second off even if you were developed. Does that give the excuse to invade peoples land and kill them? Who is really more developed then? Let's say all that stuff about those countries are true. Why do you care? What has Russia or Iran actually done to you personally?

Let me guess. You learned all this from Western media?

Western countries only give you the freedom to destroy yourself (gambling, drinking, drugs, clubbing, promiscuity, selfishness) There is nothing positive that you can do in the West that you are not allowed in the East

What do you fault the Palestinians for? It seems like you are pretty harsh and blaming them completely for the position they are in. Was it their fault they were invaded in 48? Was it their fault the Jews used weapons from the most powerful country in the world? Was it their fault they lost even more land after? Is it their fault that nobody internationally helps them simply because the US always vetos it? Is it their fault that Gaza is a cramped shit hole? Is it their fault that the West Bank is riddled with settlements that turn their land into swiss cheese? Is it their fault that they have nowhere else to go (don't say they should go to Egypt or Jordan, that is not a solution because they are not Egyptian) and that their is only one Palestine that they have no choice but to fight for? Is it their fault that no massive crime against humanity has been hidden from the world since world war 2 EXCEPT for this one? Is it their fault that they are born with Israeli soldiers, snipers, and tanks on their land and by the time they grow old the occupiers are still there and they have to hand off their children to be ruled by these occupiers. Is it their fault that there is no future promise of hope so they have nothing to do and no opportunity? Is it their fault that when they are born they are automatically refugees and the country they are born into has an unfair war waged against it? Maybe have some empathy. They didn't really do anything "wrong" and have just been unlucky for a century. A lot of their suffering is caused by European Jews.

Eastern civilization goes back thousands of years more than Western. Think of how silly it is for USA which is a country only few hundred years old telling China, a country 5 thousands years old, what to do and how to live. It seems that it's Westerners that can't stand Eastern way of living and are insistent on everyone living like them even though they hypocritically do not. Eastern people aren't caring about westerners that much. Have you learned anything from this thread? We pointed out Western tendencies to force others to live in some ideal way that they don't even live up to so many times now

Europe was a mess when the Jews were there and the Middle East became the mess when they migrated. Don't know who said this but "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East." Why do Westerners care if the Middle East is stable or not?

They are just so backed into a corner that after the Jews invaded and stole everything in 48 and harassing since then it's almost impossible for anyone to remain nonviolent. This entire thread debating things would be thrown out the window if anyone on here (mostly soft 1st world people lets be honest) lost their country status, land, family, job, gaslit and traumatized for 75 years with no hope out they would react just as bad if not worse. The entire Israeli argument is just silly because it is all predicated on "I should be able to destroy generations your people for a century and you shouldn't feel the need to fight back" Do you see the carnage and utter barbarism from Israel since October 7th because they lost a thousand people? So what happened when you fuck with people for an entire century they will become barbaric towards you If they feel they have no hope or future and killing Jews is the only way to escape that cage then the only way to get to that celebration point would be to kill Jews. Just like the only way for an Israeli to feel comfortable is by taking other peoples land and blaming it all on them. Everyone has their copes

Since when can someone tell us what we can and cannot celebrate?

Whats a problem for you isn't necessary a problem for someone else. You may not like Hamas or UNRWA because you think they are terrorists but in their POV you are the terrorist and they are the right ones. Why would they surrender their position just to make you feel better? Would you surrender your position to make them feel better?

Gaza isn't a self development community lol what are you talking about utilizing trauma to healthier places For how bad Israelis cried over 1,200 death toll put yourselves in the shoes of something 10x the magnitude

I don't trust The Wests insistence on other countries having democracies maybe its easier to undermine those countries once they shift to democratic

That was my most recent point is they would be better off just to keep fighting and maybe they can get all the land back rather than to sign to silly terms making them less than a state Same with Palestinians and having to deal with settlers it would make it impossible

You say it's not acceptable but isn't it lawful to resist occupation? It's hard to accept a peace proposal for the future destiny of your entire country and people if it's not a proposal you agree with. What was the best peace proposal that was offered that they rejected? And I am sure there are varying perspectives within Palestinians wanting different outcomes. I think both sides are stuck in the habit of fighting rather than outcomes But still the overall culture towards Palestinians isn't nice and vice versa

Right now they don't even have full of control of the land that they do own because they are under occupation so are you sure you aren't projecting Israels values onto them?

They are doing that. Only problem is you are calling it a "terror" attack when really its the continuation of a tug of war for land that has been claimed but not officially secured Don't you think that Israelis care more about the religious aspect and Palestinians care more about the practical territorial aspect? Israelis are the ones bringing up things from thousands of years ago and Palestinians usually just say how their parents and grandparents got kicked out of their homes

Since Israel doesn't have strict borders for itself and has expanded and created settlements over all these years that means all of the land is still up for grabs. Palestinians could take back most of the land by expanding over years just like how Israel did. Why is it wrong for Oct 7th attacks if neither state is solidified with strict borders and both are invited to take as much land as they can? Never mind the resistance coming from occupation thats still huge but even without that since Israel doesn't have strict borders you literally don't know where they begin or end Why doesn't Israel settle on a border and stick with that through ceasing of settlements or a two state solution and that way they don't ever risk Palestinians somehow taking back all the land since its all up for grabs still?

Ben Shapiro....

Would be a killer episode topic to hear a breakdown of all the ins and outs of nation building and leading and what life would be like as a ruler

Stop looking at developmental charts and actually travel. It's 2024 and women from 3rd world countries have caught up. They speak multiple languages, have broad skill sets and knowledge, are less naive, work hard as hell while keeping their femininity, don't have too much mental illness, and are super nice kind and good manners If you are a hard working man but you still pick a westernized woman you must have some hatred for yourself to punish yourself like that But the passport bro debate will never end because people would rather argue theory then travel and see for themselves