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Do you think you have any control?

Stage blues not necessarily dumb it's just that they are tied to certain beliefs and are locked into that way of thinking, so it can appear dumb if you don't subscribe to the belief that they have. But just imagine if you really, really believed that Adam and Eve were the first humans 'created' by God. Not only that but you've been taught that any doubts you have of that being untrue is the devil's work and is a test of your faith to believe the truth. Essentially you've been brainwashed so cognitively it's very difficult to accept another way of thinking or other perspectives. Within these beliefs you of course can be intelligent, but the intelligence can also be used to uphold these beliefs. Ultimately truth takes a back seat to ideology

Yeah nice analogy, I think it sums it up quite well. I would just add that fully integrating each stage is essentially learning that language, so when you bypass a stage it means that you have no clue how to speak that language which would then make it harder to reach tier 2, even though you may feel your development is of a high level. I like the idea that you learn the mechanics behind language in yellow, rather than just the content of language that's a great part of the analogy as well.

For me you can go forward in your development without becoming rich or even financially stable, but to truly transcend Orange you have to integrate and have a respect for its purpose. Youre not tied to it and its not your central motivation but you realise the importance of mastering that level ie the importance of how to make money if you need it. What happens when people move from Orange to Green they can demonise Orange to the extent where anything that makes a profit is bad. So i think if you can lose the attachment to it and take the lessons from it, ultimately it will aid you development

Pick up is important in terms of learning the concepts, female nature, what you want, engaged but not attached, basically not being a hardcore simp, but once this is learned it should be transcended, otherwise you can really get stuck in this phase. Pick up should not be your personality, it should just be some skills in you arsenal, you don't want to end up like this guy - I think this guys take on it is better than the standard pick up artist -

I think it's very important to transcend orange while having respect for it and for financial freedom. For me when I was deep in orange I was too tied to the outcome and the idea of success which held me back from financial success. When it wasn't as important to me it became easier to make money, it's paradoxical but in my experience it's what works. People who dont take their money making endeavours so seriously can be in a better position financially, without all the stress. It's to do with the abundance v scarcity mindset, coined by maslow. It can be applied accross the board for example if finding a partner is the be all and end all for you it will be such a stressful experience, whereas if you don't need a partner and have a detached, abundant vibe you'll attract a lot of people. Hard to put into practice at first but lots of value in it

Before lockdown I'd been training boxing at a dedicated boxing gym for about a year. I sparred different boxers at a relatively (for me) fast pace with hard enough punches. All that to say it was rare that anyone would fight in anger or ego, if I did fight with any kind of ego of how I'm better than the other guy I would get humbled real quick. I'm fact I would say it is extremely humbling for the ego. This is important as there are lots of kids I saw coming in who had another level of dedication, discipline and respect for others (not all but 98%). Compared to others their age I would say they are potentially more developed. So you may say boxing is not high consciousness but I don't think you could say it or other combat sports are low consciousness if they're done in the right spirit, which they usually are.

@Display_Name yeah fair enough, to be honest I don't know too much about him so I can't really comment on how big his ego is. I do know that it can be a trap of younger, ambitious gurus though and I'm usually skeptical when they have overly ambitious ideas about waking everyone up, I just think it can be a minefield for things going wrong, esp when he's taking so many with him. But probably just a thing to go through for him, either it works and the world wakes up, which is good or it doesn't and he learns from it and helps some people along the way

How do you mean?

@Display_Name yeah I guess so, it just seemed as if you had an absolute standpoint. In the article, which I agree to some extent is a bit of hit piece, but even within that there can be truth. For example I think it is quite interesting that when gurus, esp younger gurus start going on quests of waking up the whole world or whatever it is, it never seems to come to anything best case or becomes manipulative and dangerous worst case. I wonder if this is just an unavoidable path once you mix Awakening, ego, ambition, success and youth together. Can a new wave teacher even avoid these traps? These I think are relevant questions, I'm sure this guy provides a lot of value but it's also good to look at the other side of the equation and also realise that just because value is provided it doesn't mean he's then not able to let his ego get the best of him and become toxic, this could go for any guru, Leo included

@Display_Name was a genuine question, don't you ever consider why such information can get your heart racing a little? Happens to everyone

It's a completely different dynamic for African-Americans, 1st or 2nd generation Africans and Jamaicans usually outperform African-Americans whos lineage goes back many generations. So it's not a strictly black and white thing. There are many reasons for this trans-generational trauma, growing up in poverty, systemic racism, no generational wealth, scarcity mindset coping strategies. Also should be noted those that come over now or in recent times, have to be highly ambitious people, essentially the cream of the crop of their country. So comparing a highly ambitious Korean family to a poor African-American family that has been through whatever history has thrown at them is not really a fair comparison

@Display_Name why do you think you got so triggered bro?

Post it in your sig as a start

Im sorry man but its funny to me you fell for this. The Onion do loads of satire content, its a hilarious channel.

Well if we're talking specifically about the things that trouble black people today, part of it can be traced back to slavery, keep in mind im not saying its all slavery or anything that came after, what im saying is that its a factor, as well as a negative mindset is a factor or personal responsibility is a factor. My problem is more that history is left out of the equation a lot of the time. The reason why i stop at slavery is because it wouldnt do much to talk about the roman empire, also keep in mind reparations were paid to slave owners in the UK when it was abolished in 1833 which only finished repayments in 2015, so its something that has been very impactful in keeping significant inequality not just to black people but the rich people getting significantly richer than poor people in general, specifically because of slavery. Thats just one example, but to an extent youre right we have to talk about how these problems can be solved today which is a very complicated issue, my whole point is that i dont believe people like Ben Shapiro have the best interests of black people at heart. It is something that would require good genuine intentions and empathy and i dont really see that coming from the right, i maybe wrong of course, but it seems like its more a case of pushing conservative values and getting people to vote republican. I would ask you as well, if the issues arent socio-economic and historical, where do they come from?

I would say it is important because if the underlying perspective is seeing lets say in this case, black people as inferior or genetically more violent or lazy, then i dont think that is a good perspective to come at when finding solutions for the problem. Its not a blame game, its looking at the actual causes for things and having the intention to solve the problems in an honest way. On the conservative there can be a distinct lack of empathy, for example i dont think Sam Harris wants to genuinely solve problems in the muslim communities or Ben Shapiro is interested in solving the problems in the black community. Which then begs the questions why do they speak on this issues so frequently, if theyre that concerned why dont they volunteer or whatever. The only solution the right has is to vote republican, which is to say go back to some golden era, which i dont agree is even a viable option, or that it was a golden era for anyone else but the majority. Any extremism is obviously not good, but i would encourage you to watch that vaush vid i just posted he breaks it down quite well

Its funny that you got offended by me saying some people think other races are inferior considering it wasnt aimed at you. But anyway i can ask you directly, do you think black peoples position in society is because of historical as well as socio economic factors?

@LaucherJunge I agree in that all dogmatic beliefs should be called out, regardless of whether its on the left or right and i do that whenever its relevant. I guess its a human tendency to believe youre 100% right, regardless of your point of view. Where i think the issues are on the right is that the intention is not for unity its to demonise a particular group and i just dont believe this will work in anyway unless you want it to lead to war or even a divisive public internet. I know this happens on the left as well so im not dismissing that. But if we take someone like Sam Harris, a lot of what he says makes sense but he seems to put a lot of blame on Muslims, i cant see how thats productive. People that bring up the point of black people in america committing x amount of murders according to statistics, is ignoring the history and circumstances that have led to this, ultimately you can say their position is because of historical socio-economic factors or you can say they are genetically more violent and lazy, a lot of right wing commentators have the latter view and are looking at statistics to almost back this up which i think is highly disingenuous. As i said it happens on the left but i think its usually a reaction to something somebody has said on the right which impinges on someone elses freedom. Can it go to far? Definitely, its an excess of green but green as a whole is further developed than blue or orange, it should be checked but to me having empathy for others is a positive step, eventually it will extend to having empathy for the right. Vaush can usually breakdown these topics quite well -

@-Tim- and @LaucherJunge the issue with you guys is that you think your ideas are 100% right, moreover if you are presented with evidence counter to what you think you don't accept it. You haven't been shut down here, at least not straight away, I know you used to be Dutch guy and got shut down then but that was after people had spent a lot of time debating with you. There's this idea that people speaking the 'truth' are being shut down, I just don't think it's true, over the last couple years these have been the loudest voices. Generally I just like to cut the bullshit, if you do have dogmatic views about races bring inferior or whatever I think that should be laid out plainly. A lot of public commentators have these views and use disguised language to convey these points. This whole facts over feelings things is fine but then take into account all facts and try and draw the full picture instead of one that suits your narrative. @Jennjenn it is very confusing that there are people in a spiritual forum that believe these things or have these views. My take is that youtube and social media are very powerful tools in terms of being able to indoctrinate people into different narratives, so someone who could go down the rabbit hole of Leo vids could, presumably go down the rabbit hole of right wing vids. If there isn't significant critical thinking, this is a very common thing. There's no way you'd get so many conspiracy theories if this was in the 90s for example, it's pretty much mainstream now. But like @Prabhaker said you can only really look at it internally and deal with it that way, fighting externally with others is ultimately pointless

Time isnt infinite, its only a way to measure the movement of form, if theres no form, theres no time. You could say consciousness or space is infinite

If you made eggs for breakfast, the eggs came from chickens of which their ancestry can be traced back to the beginning of time. Before time there was no material only consciousness so, material was created from consciousness which set the ball rolling for your scrambled eggs

An enlightened being is free to kill yes, theyre not tied to any arbitrary idea of right or wrong. However they are in touch with others and feel a lot of compassion, not only in the case of another's suffering but also in that they would want the living thing to complete its life cycle and learn what it needs to in its life. I feel that if an enlightened being wanted to go around killing unconnected unhappy, homeless people, it will be hard to do just as an action of killing someone and the idea that you're making the decision. Perhaps if someone was suffering intensely and wanted to die, it would still be difficult but I can see that being a more realistic scenario

Theres a lot about this in the trump doc on Netflix. His older brother ended up killing himself partly because he couldn't fit the role that Fred Trump wanted him to fill, so it goes to show you what Donald had to be for survival. It is definitely possible to have empathy for trump but someone who is not even conscious of how they've been corrupted in this way, shouldn't be president.

I still dont know how this is a good argument if it boils dow to the left just having negative traits. Ive witnessed many groups and many of these things are basically inherent in any group you can think of, potentially the left has gotten more power recently which maybe makes it seem like its more blatant but its definitely not unique to them. For example you could very easily make cases against feminism, against mgtow, by using examples of them doing the things youve mentioned but that doesnt mean that the points they have arent valid it just means some of their number, usually a loud minority, are not evolved enough yet. So if you do agree with left policies but not with the people attempting to implement them, i would think a sensible position would be to push for those that you like, for example if you like Bernie Sanders, or just dont subscribe to any leaning and just a la carte choose the points on either side that you agree with. Personally it doenst make sense to me to support someone mainly because you dislike the other side, especially if you agree with the other side. Its like saying you support Dortmund because you hate Bayern even if you dont particularly like how Dortmund play