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Yes, maybe racist isnt the word id use but definitely a lot of bias against black women from a percentage of black men in terms of dating preference. The root is obviously the european beauty standards that have been the norm in the western world, it makes sense that the type of people who rule would promote their own people as the most beautiful. This subtle and previously not so subtle conditioning can have a massive effect on people. So much so that a lot of black and south asian women bleach their skin, in fact the global skin lightening market is worth more than $8.3 billion. So you could even make the argument that black women have bias against black women, colourism within the black community is also a thing. So its a very deep topic that is ingrained in the minds of everyone pretty much.

I think it would be impossible to grow up, pretty much in any country, and not have some kind of bias, simply because you were taught by media, parents, friends, peers, school and all of those groups would have bias' especially if its not a very diverse area that you grew up in. These bias' are almost needed for social cohesion and to create an in group, the issue is that we are becoming more unified and globalised so these, once useful ideologies are now becoming more of a hinderance to progress than anything. Yeah this can happen, the reason i see is that when it comes to racism, most people dont class themselves as racist but they see the racism in others. Really i think the solution is looking at where you are racist and understanding that others may have that within them as well, so instead of demonising them, root it out in yourself. If everyone did this there wouldnt be racism, shaming people out of racism may have its uses but i dont think its the best way to approach it.

Ive followed the whole Brian Rose drama since the early lockdown Icke interviews, also being a born and bred Londoner leads me to take an extra interest. I didnt have a strong opinion on him before the Icke stuff, i just thought he was a normal dude and interested in where he was going with the plant medicine, but seeing all this play out i can say hes 100% a con man. It actually baffles me that he managed to fool so many people, i think he was obviously like this before but as Leo said the pandemic has really led to people showing their true colours. The very fact that hes claiming hes 2nd in the race because of the bookies, (which just go off where the moneys going), whilst polling at less than 1% and betting on himself to skew the bookies is actually incredible deception, like hes so far gone. One thing i found interesting is that Dan Pena taught him to really be successful, you have to create movements, you can see this play out, theres a distinct change in Rose after being mentored by Pena. Its fuelled him to go down this road, tbf at first it was almost the perfect con, perfect timing and took everyone for millions, you would think he would stop there, but it can be addictive and i think hes really fallen into that trap. It will be interesting to see where he goes next because theres so much negative sentiment around him i cant see people en masse falling for another scam.

A comparison would be how much could a guy who was around the same level of attractiveness as the girl make on only fans, obviously a male model would make more

It doesnt have to be that someone wants someone solely for looks or solely for money, its not as black and white, the options arent just 'im going to find someone just for survival needs' or 'im going to find someone i have a real honest connection with and thats it'. Usually its a mix of both. Everyone has a baseline that they would accept, some peoples might be different to others. For example you have some kind of baseline in terms of a long term partner, if you met someone who you liked but was homeless and had no ambition to get out of that you most likely wont want to marry them, regardless of your connection. Or maybe theyre too feminine or are not sociable enough for you, or are always broke so you have to pay for everything, the bottom line is we have this criteria when looking for a mate and to deny this would be creating a shadow side of you that you dont want to face. Obviously men are the same but have different criteria. If the baseline is met then other considerations can and do come into play like connection and other deeper things. Probably in our world theres not enough emphasis on the deeper things once the baselines been met, people can be just focused on the baseline which is really a gamble when you think about it.

I'm familiar with some of Kevin Samuals content, he mainly talks about peoples criteria for marriage. So its not necessarily calling out gold diggers but it boils down to this - a high value woman is defined as good looking, physically fit, co-operative, feminine, nurturing. A high value man is defined as masculine, has a respectable and good earning career, has a network and gives value to other high value people, 6 foot or above etc. The value is unconsciously created by the opposite sex and there are quite obvious biological survival reasons behind it ie the woman wants the best genes for her children and to be taken care of with resources, the man wants the best genes for his children and to be taken care of (he's also designed to spread his seed but that's a tangent). Aside from that it does feel good just to be with someone, but in the real world what you see is people who are quite closely aligned, in terms of socio-economic status and attractiveness. Its rare that you see a high value woman going out with someone who works at mcdonalds and its rare you'll see a high value man go out with an unattractive woman. The simple fact is on both sides you'll pick the best option you can, this isn't done consciously, it can be, but usually people will think 'there's just something about them'. This is more just in the realm of getting married, someone will go to someone the perceive as lower value if they like them as a person or its just for fun, but for marriage usually it will be someone at least on the same level. This can get to a toxic stage orange kind of level, so it's good to just be aware of it and not focused on it. I see a lot of guys using it as a way to blame women for whatever. But even in spiritually minded communities like here there are still these value dynamics on play, a potential long term partner would still have to be above some kind of threshold, for example a woman would have to be a certain level of attractiveness for a (spiritual) guy to consider them, the difference being that he might also have other criteria not just physical appearance, he might also be concerned about her spiritual connection. A (spiritual) woman will also have value criteria for potential partners as well, there will be a bottom line of some kind of income or value and if he meets those there will be more criteria about deeper things. So I think it's normal that we try and look for the best deal we can get, because of this set up it means that people push themselves to be attractive to the opposite sex, High value people are not just handed to you because you're you, it has to be worked on. The opposite of this line of thinking is being an incel in which you don't want to improve yourself and you think you just deserve access to women, so you blame the women for not wanting you. Women also do this but not with sex, with relationships ie they blame men for their own lack of success in long term relationships, 'where have all the good men gone' ' men are trash' etc. So it's a bit black and white just to say women exchange beauty for money, it's a bit more nuanced than that. The interesting thing is that people often complain about this 'game' but at any time you're free to not play it and go out with an unattractive woman or an unattractive guy, the reason people don't is because they want a good deal, they just don't want to improve their value to get the deal.

It is fascinating that people are still arguing for trump after all the madness that has happened, there's some interesting psychology behind that as well

@Gesundheit First off apologies for the short answer previously, i did say id come and give a fuller one later, been away for the weekend so its been hard to find the time. I appreciate you also sharing your situation and i do get where youre coming from as ive said previously. What became very apparent to me through this discussion is that we are talking about different situations. Youre talking about being poor in a third world country and agree this situation is like playing life on the hardest level, it is extremely difficult to get out of this situation and realistically there has to be significant change on a society level for it to be the norm that people are able to get out. Even more so if its a political problem like with Venezuela or Syria. Generally it will be a slow process for these countries to improve and, according to trends in poverty, this situation is improving - https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7272929/global-poverty-health-crime-literacy-good-news , although i appreciate it doesnt feel like that. I absolutely agree with you that poor people are not required to find solution on a society wide level, even if they did most likely it wouldnt affect much. This of course is what rich people should do and to be fair some do, not all but some. So either way poor people are not in control of this, literally the only thing they can control is their mindset. Now i understand your perspective is tempered by your situation which was out of your hands of course, youve put yourself at a 2 on your scale. When ive talked about mindset what ive meant is that if youre in the western world ie western Europe, USA, etc then most likely youll start at a level 3 or 4 you wouldnt really go lower than that, there are homeless people but these are usually the result of other issues or terrible home lives, its not really the norm. So in the case that you are 3 or 4 mindset can have a huge factor in getting you to 5 or 6 and potentially higher but that wouldnt be the norm. Youve even said if youre at 4 you may have a scarcity mindset, so what would push you up is not having that. I think what youre getting at is that if you buy into this system and just work harder and change your mindset that youre tacitly accepting it and youre part of the problem. The thing is either way you have to be in the system, yes the system is fucked but the question is, were things worse previously and is there more opportunity now? The system doesnt have to be torn down it just needs to work better and give people a better chance. The internet means you can make $ or £s in western markets whilst still living in the third world. You can setup business that can sell across the world. On a more practical level theres more freedom of movement so potentially you can get out of your country and move to one with more opportunities. Theres freedom of movement in the EU, countries like Spain are allowing those from countries they colonised to move there and get residency like Colombia. So i think its better to build on this system that we have and yeah there will always be a small percentage of super rich people as a legacy type thing but i would say things are improving, however i get where youre coming from and it is unfair but hopefully it continues to change.

@Gesundheit I'll give you a fuller response later, but studies have shown a strong correlation between level of education and earning power, this article breaks it down - https://www.qs.com/what-effect-does-education-level-have-on-wealth/#:~:text=There's a clear correlation between,the greater your salary becomes. @integral

@Gesundheit Thanks for the kind words, my ego was happy with that lol. But yes I enjoy discussing these topics so don't think I'm attacking you in anyway or think that you're arguing for a victim mindset because I don't feel that. As I said I agree with most of what you say but don't get me wrong either, I don't claim to have some definite solution to the problem of poverty, I'm only speculating, I was using ubi as an example. I also don't think it's those in povertys fault that they're there and I recognise someone will always be 'poor' or worse off than someone else, I'm not sure it has to be blunt as i become rich someone else has to be poor but I get your point. The system is rigged to a certain extent but a big factor of this starts at the early education level, simply put, those from more wealthy families have better education for their kids. Education is a massive factor in terms of getting out of poverty. If we're talking about America (I'm from UK) the way funding for schools work is that they're funded by their areas residents, do if its a poor area the funding will be poor, this keeps the cycle going. A rich family is also likely to have rich people that can mentor or at least be an example of success, this isn't going to be the same in poor families. Families in poverty are more likely to be broken, there may not even be a father figure in the home, this is a big factor that I've seen working first hand at a youth charity. What tends to happen is young boys look for role models that are usually negative, drug dealers, rappers etc. Basically there are many things that keep poverty cyclical. Now, you're looking at things from an overall perspective of what if all poor people invested the system would crash. Realistically it would take a long time for that to happen, but there is a lot of work to be done both from a systemic point of view and a personal point of view. The system has to be changed, things like education, raising the basic level ie free health care, giving as much opportunity as rich people, free Higher education etc. But also on the personal side there has to be a change in mentality as these are also responsible for the cyclical nature of poverty. A stupid example is playing the lottery and gambling is usually done mostly by those in poverty, this is a mindset of this is the only hope I have to get out is doing this, this could be changed and the money put into it put into something more positive or saved. Same goes with coca cola, smoking, alcohol etc. So for me the issue has many factors but they usually stem from those 2 roots, one you've highlighted and one I've highlighted. Someone will always be poor, but we can change poor from being can't afford medical care and not checking the pain in their appendix to something much more respectful. Many countries in Europe offer free health care and higher education. Portugal drug problem has gone down like crazy because they decriminalised drugs and started offering care to drug users. These things actually work systemically and when people aren't so worried about survival, they can move to more abundant mindsets and have better lives. @integral

Does China use a different to test to check deaths. Excess deaths have been high everywhere. But anyway on a more meta point, why are you fighting so hard to prove covid is nothing to worry about? At the very least I don't think you can be 100% sure of this given the current evidence and science. The repurcussions of being wrong on this can be severe as we've seen with trump in America, so why is this battle so important to you?

But roughly speaking the countries that had the quickest and strictest measures seem to have fared the best ie China, South Korea and other far east nations. The ones that took the least measures or didn't take it seriously initially have fared the worst ie Brazil, USA etc Sweden have a death rate around 10x that of their close neighbors, they are the outlier in that region. So looking at that I would say the measures had some effect

What countries have had hardly any restrictions? I think a lot of focus is on deaths, people are worried about long term effects of the vaccine yet are willing to risk the long term effects of covid, which from all accounts is quite bad

The Amish community have numerous outbreaks of things like measles and polio almost every year. Also doctor quoted from your article says -"I don't personally believe that we will reach herd immunity going forward without the use of vaccination." Covid has definitely affected these communities - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/10/fact-check-false-claim-amish-dont-get-covid-19/4455551001/ The reason why its not worse is because they are relatively small communities, if the whole population did what they did it would be a disaster

You seem to miss my point, im agreeing with you, if you are necessarily focused on survival because of what you were born into and have not had relevant education on how to build and manage wealth then yes, it will be extremely difficult to get out of that cycle. But mindset is incredibly important if you were to get out. I think what youre reacting to is mindset, i dont mean delusion as in being unrealistically hopeful, what i mean is learning specific techniques to build wealth or success and not holding on to things that can keep you down, specifically an abundant mindset over a scarcity mindset as laid out by Maslow. Now this is very hard to get to if youre born into certain circumstances but its still the key of getting out. As @integral pointed out and if you read that article the main reason for the next generations not holding on to wealth is not being taught about money and how to hold on to it, in most cases the rich parent never even talked to their children about it which resulted in them losing it. So we're talking about a very human problem in which if you dont learn how to do something you wont be able to do it, regardless of rich or poor. Lets say everyone in poverty was given money, universal basic income, where they dont have to worry about survival anymore, i bet you a lot of people would still have problems if they dont invest in learning how to invest, save and build wealth. In the article they mention that it was an average of 19 days before someone who received inheritance bought a new car, thats what happens if you havent had the education around money. But yes i see your point that the system is not fair and it makes things very difficult, there should always be free healthcare for example. But to say that knowledge around finance is irrelevant in your success i just dont see that to be true. Heres come of the simple advice i mean in - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/millionaire-shares-biggest-parenting-regret-not-teaching-kids-6-top-money-lessons.html

OK so just to clarify your overall points on this topic, im interpreting it as, we should be careful what we put in our bodies and research all ingredients to make sure they are not harmful both in the short term and long term, we should not trust studies or experts as they can have bias and studies can be falsified. As we can never be 100% sure of any scientific research we should just say we probably dont know and let nature do its thing. So Im going to lay out what some of your points look like in practice and you let me know if this is what you. Every food ingredient of every food consumed is checked, this will also include vitamin levels and nutrients if they are fruit and veg, since every food might have different levels or amount of ingredients, they will have to be checked every time. Water ph and minerals will have to be checked as well ph levels of every glass of water consumed, obviously other drinks would have to be checked as well. Any medicines or drugs would have to be checked. The air that you breath would have to be checked for oxygen and carbon dioxide levels or any other gases. All of these checks and research would have to be done by you personally, as stated the medical establishment cant be trusted. Are these things that you do regularly and if not does that imply some kind of trust in terms of what youre putting in your body?

@Gesundheit I agree with you, the odds are stacked against poor people and it isn't a fair game. However you skipped over my example, as I said if you put someone in those conditions who is rich and strip away everything they've accumulated, including contacts, I would estimate that they would still end up doing well, if not become rich again if there's enough time. The only thing they would have over a poor person in that situation is the skills they've acquired and the way they think, that is their only advantage. So the question is, can someone born in that situation gain those skills and mindsets to help them get out? The answer is they can and some do but it's extremely difficult to stumble upon a teacher that's going to impart what they know onto you or for you to take seriously, books and YouTube videos. Poverty breeds poverty, you can use the same example for healthy eating, why do most people in poverty have bad diets? it wouldn't be that much more expensive to eat healthy, let's say it was the same price, most poor people still wouldn't do it. So of course this is because this knowledge hasn't been put into them and it's the same with wealth accumulation. @integral This is the other side of it which shows its not even a poverty problem it's a human problem. Most wealthy families probably don't teach the children about how to hold onto wealth, they get complacent and probably think they're so rich they don't need to think about it. When that wealth gets passed down and split up, the heirs have no clue how to invest or how to protect their wealth and so lose it fairly quickly. 'A fool and their many are parted quickly' as the saying goes. Theres a big company in Europe, cant remember the name now, but instead of splitting the money with heirs they pick one heir who is basically groomed to run the business and everything goes to them. I assume the others get paid from their shares in the company. But this company has had their wealth for 100s of years using this method, meaning the compounding returns are phenomenal and they are some of the richest people on earth. All that to say mindset is very important both in accumulating and then protecting wealth.

Interesting discussion, I get where youre coming from and i think its almost a given that if youre from a third world country the odds are stacked even higher against you to the point of almost impossibility. But I think both points of this discussion can be true, mindset can be a huge factor in escaping poverty if there are some opportunities and also the system can be seemingly impossible to overcome. Heres why, if you put someone who is a self made millionaire, strip them of all wealth, contacts etc and put them in an average town, chances are they would be able to build wealth again from scratch. They would at least do better than those around them, this experiment has been done a few times in fact theres a discovery channel show documenting it. Theres also numerous examples of millionaires going completely bankrupt but recovering and building wealth again. So in this respect mindset is everything. However to get that mindset is very difficult and to get it while growing up poor in a bad neighbourhood with those around you dragging you down and no positive role models, is extremely difficult, in fact you are not even aware that your mindset is not working for you. In this example you are in survival mode or a scarcity mindset, to build wealth you need to be in an abundant mindset, which again is hard to do if you are just trying to survive. (Maslow talks about abundant vs scarcity mindset as basically the difference between success and failure). I agree that rich people do talk about mindset in an unrealistic way, like why dont poor people just think differently. Of course this is simplistic, that rich person couldve had great parents and a family unit or maybe they didnt but they liked to read and stumbled upon some great knowledge, either way something from the outside changed the way they thought and led to success, for some people this just doesnt happen.

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Granted, some of their success can be attributed to looks, but i think the Botez sisters are a good example of making money from chess, without formally competing

@7thLetter Interesting topics raised, the ego is fascinating. What I've been thinking about recently is status, I think this is a big function of the ego, it basically wants us to be as high ranked amongst other humans as possible. When you're a kid in school it's always very important amongst the boys, who's the strongest, who's the fastest, who's the best at sport. As you get older it's who can attract the best girls, then who's got the best job or the most money, we even lead with 'what work do you do?', when we meet people. So it's interesting how we constantly place ourselves in this unconscious status ranking. This possibly could be from the tribal times where everyone was competing to be the head of the tribe, only now the tribe is billions of people. Its also possible for companies to co-opt this nature we have to sell products that seemingly enhance our status. A lot of it is also the higher status you are the more access to the other sex you get, I think that is ultimately the biggest driver.

You probably know but streaming your chess games is a great way to make money from chess. Or a YouTube channel teaching people how to play

Yes of course there are large northern African empires, my point is that to be seen as the richest human ever in history and from sub-saharan Africa, it can't have been that far behind Europe at one point

It does depend on perspective, what do you make of the western African King Mansa Musa, who is considered the wealthiest individual in human history only 800 or so years ago?

On a mechanical level its compound interest, as in if you have money and you put it in the right places it will grow. Moreover though I would say its mindset and the skills and knowledge you acquire through that mindset. For example if someone has made a million from scratch through business, if you take that million away and make them start again theyll most likely get to a million even quicker. Whereas someone whos poor may not believe they can do it and therefore wont think in that way, however they can be taught to think that way. Obviously there are situations where there is a significant lack of opportunities or generally just incredibly difficult circumstances, but for the most part you do get opportunities in the western world and there are safety nets so you dont fall to far.