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No i asked for something that was proved wrong and then turned out to be right, you are essentially presenting a facebook post that talks about depopulating the earth from the UN. That post was definitely false, the UN didnt put out a manifesto talking about depopulating the earth if you want to take something else theyve said and make that claim then you can but its not proof of anything its just your speculation. Ill ask again have you got something that was proved wrong by fact checkers that you can prove they were wrong about and it was some government agenda?

The first link disproves a social media (alt-media) post that claims it has hard evidence and website for the objectives the UN is claiming for the a new world order. But first of all that website was proved not to be linked to the UN, it was a one page website with no links working, it also wouldnt make sense for them to put that out if that was their intention. So it is literally provably false. The other link for the World government summit makes no claims to do what was in this nwo manifesto, theyre more talking about sustainability and things like that. If you are a smart person you can clearly see this, I dont see how you can read that first link and not see that the facebook post was nonsense. This actually makes more of a point that fact checking is needed.

Can you give an example of something that was fact checked and proved wrong which wasnt actually wrong and was paid off by the mainstream to say that it was wrong?

I understand your point, but what im saying is that its more likely that some 'smart' people are engaging with alt-media in a healthy way, but I'm sure you can see that most people are not engaging with it in this way. Your point is focusing on the best case scenario to justify something, but this can be used to justify literally anything, 'smart' people wouldnt need any laws because they would make the right decision for example but most people do need laws. The alt-media talks about what the mainstream said that doesnt agree with their point of view, if they agreed they wouldnt cover it. This can be necessary to give different point of views but its not done from a perspective of keeping the mainstream honest and accountable, its usually done to further whatever view theyve got. Flat earth people will probably claim the mainstream omits information about flat earth

What percentage of people consuming alt-media would you class as 'smarter'? Ive never seen alt-media talk about something that they didnt talk about, that literally makes no sense. Ben Shapiro isnt going to talk about things he doesnt want brought up about palestine for example. Just on a practical level they cant cover everything and then the things they dont dont cover they say that they didnt cover lol

They do specifically have to answer for it, they can and do get sued quite often if they report any factually wrong information, defame people etc. They are held to a much higher level of scrutiny than alternative, as in its not even close. People who consume alt-media are usually much more radical and ideolgical than mainstream viewers, usually they are in an echo chamber because that is the nature of social media, hence the rise of things like qanon and incel culture. If you ask these groups whether alt-media is biased, I can bet you whatever you want theyll tell you its not biased or at least whatever they consume is not and it is the absolute truth, I know this from first hand experience. Yes the people that consume alt-media's needs are hearing what they want to hear from their favourite alt-media sources Your claim was that mainstream is a mouth piece for the government, CNN was definitely not a mouth piece for Trumps government so what youre saying doesnt really work. Do you ever concede a point btw? just need to check otherwise this is completely pointless

Bro one of your main points is that the alternative media doesnt claim to be unbiased. So to confirm youre saying the alternative media doesnt have to say theyre biased or unbiased and they have no responsibility to do either but then they are also more clearly defined as biased to people that consume that media than mainstream? How can it be the mouthpiece of the government when different mainstream sources can be for or against the current government?

By the way which alternative media makes a big thing of saying they're bias? Most of them will say this is the truth because of my research, ob both sides as well from vaush to candace owens. You can say that everyone knows which way they lean but that's the same for mainstream, everyone knows cnn is more democratic leaning and fox is republican leaning, like its not a secret.

@mr_engineer Alternative media is attempting to give an absolute truth, thats exactly what they claim to do. Mainstream specifically can not claim that. I'm from the UK and on TV they can't even say one political party is better than another, in fact they can't even say one car brand is better than another. So no mainstream doesn't claim to be an absolute truth. The reason why alternative gets banned is specifically because they claim truth. During covid for example when some alternative claimed that it wasn't real, they were claiming truth they weren't just criticising mainstream. If you have a platform and you want to inform people there is a huge responsibility and a lot of alternative media, probably most, does not live up to that responsibility. This is not to say mainstream doesn't have issues btw, it's just that bias with little regulations is obviously going to be worse than bias with a lot of regulations.

Something like 51% of people use it as their main news source so it is used as a source of information. But I think your reluctance to say it is more reliable is because you know it isn't, if it is more reliable to you then you can still make the claim. If the mainstream is over stepping or over claiming or being highly biased then of course they should be called out. In general they're highly regulated and will get sued if they put out any provably false information. These restrictions are not put on alternative media in the same way. Everyone is biased in some way the only thing that really stops this is regulation, I'm sure you'd agree that you would want mainstream to have these regulations as it will keep them less biased. But then on the flip you would complain if alternative media is regulated, so if that's the case, what is there to stop alternative media from being biased?

@mr_engineer OK so to confirm are you saying that alternative media is a more reliable source of information than mainstream media? Just to be clear we are mainly talking about social media as alternative media as that's what most people consume

So is it a better source of information then? As in more accurate, closer to the truth

@rnd would you say information from alternative sources is generally more reliable than mainstream sources? As in better researched, less biased etc

In my experience, what can make depression worse is when the person just focuses on themselves. If you say to them don't worry you don't have to do anything just heal yourself, that can actually make it worse as they can wallow in the depression and build a habit of not doing anything. If they at the very least have habits like working out, playing sports, going for walks, helping others etc, it's very hard for the depression to affect them as much. Healing itself can be done on a deeper more intentional way, maybe with a therapist. But building good habits in the mean time is a big factor.

OK that makes sense, I think the best course of action for you is to work towards not being dependent on your brothers. Sometimes it's better just to throw yourself into a more difficult (but beneficial long term) situation, for example get a job you don't mind that can cover your expenses and move out. Don't wait for the moment to be perfect just get it done, once you start taking responsibility for these things you will feel completely different. As well make sure you handle the basics of good sleep, diet and exercise.

The issue today is not so much censorship but the fact that there's so much information and people haven't learnt how to discern what's real and what's not. In terms of mainstream v alternative media, mainstream actually has a lot more limitations on what can be said, there's regulations, they may get sued for false information, defamation etc. Alternative media has some restrictions but no where near close to mainstream. Because of the lack of restrictions it means they can post opinions, poorly researched stories or just straight factually wrong information, in fact its more than likely going to be one of these things just because they don't have to research anything. The idea that just because something is censored it's probably true is nonsense and if I was trying to pump out misinformation, I would probably say that because it would be a win/ win for me, I could say anything false and if it gets censored I could say the mainstream knows its true that's why they censored me. To answer the initial point from op, flat earth theory isn't really dangerous to the public, if people want to believe it literally would make no difference to anyone. You can believe whatever you want, but it's when those beliefs cause damage to society or individuals that you have a problem ie believing covid isn't real. It's like if you have a son and they believe Harry Potter is real, it doesn't really matter but then if he starts believing he can jump off the roof with a broom you may want to stop him watching Harry Potter until he realises its not real.

The problem is if someone goes to the doctor and says my arm is hurting and then the doctor says spend a few years studying the muscular and skeletal systems, although that is more advanced and will give you a better understanding of your body it doesn't actually help you practically. Inner work is very important, essential even but if people haven't sorted their traumas and haven't built up self sufficiency I notice that inner work can and is often used as a way to avoid that stuff. In reality everything could and should be done in tandem but if you think people don't have to do the basic grow up and clean up stuff and can just have realisations while the parents fund their life, I don't think that amounts to an actualized person.

Are you dependent on anyone at the moment? Family, parents, girlfriend etc

Saw this the other day, excellent doc, I think Stutz's methods are really good for growth and both him and Jonah were incredibly open and vulnerable, fully recommend it

Thats interesting, never heard that but it kinda make sense as stress can cause a lot of side effects on the body. Do you have any studies you could link about it?

I've been on the forum basically since the start and I think at the beginning, no one really knew what shape it would take and what kind of people it would attract. So it definitely interested me to have a community of people interested in talking about consciousness and non-duality and looking at society from a different perspective. Before i get into my criticisms I want to give some positives, its really great that you can meet and potentially build relationships with people interested in this stuff, theres not a lot of people that are that I come across in my life anyway, so this is cool. Also a lot of great resources get posted which can lead to going down new paths and learning new ideas. Now for the fun part... My main criticism is that I think Leo underestimates how much foundational growth people need to do before they start trying to realise things like god-consciousness and I believe this forum encourages them to bypass basic work they need to do in the real world which will help them grow. Most people come on here I believe because in some way they arent fulfilled by life, theyre looking for a way out. I would say the demographic on here is relatively young lets say 20s, in which case its not people who have lived 50 years and become disillusioned with their path, its those that dont want to face the everyday struggle of looking after yourself, working, going into the world. It can be a daunting prospect, especially if you have unaddressed traumas or parents that have coddled you or youre always online and have never really experienced life. Its natural that if you dont feel prepared you will look for a workaround, an easier way out, this is the human condition. I believe enlightenment is being unconsciously sold as this workaround, if you are looking for a way out in the way ive outlined, and you stumble upon Leos videos and hes talking about ultimate bliss and how it can be realised, something will hit home because there is truth in what Leo says, but you will only be attempting to bypass the hard but essential parts of life. I think people have the idea that, if i get enlightened everything else will fall into place, to me this is fantasy, it does not work like this. Maslows Hierarchy as well as Ken Wilburs model, which states you should 'grow up, clean up, wake up then show up'. No one puts waking up first, even spiral dynamics requires that you go through the lower stages and first and get to healthy versions of them. Because of the nature of any forum, ego does come into play and i think people tend to peg themselves higher on SD, but again this is just another form of bypassing, there is demonisation sometimes of blue and orange but i dont think people realise how important these are to incorporate for your life, its very important that you have structure, discipline, you know how to make money etc. I believe most people on the forum arent content because these things are not in order, its nothing to do with them not being enlightened. You will be surprised at how mch your state can change once you take responsibility for yourself, talk to more people, cook for yourself, workout etc. People who have never attempted to talk to the opposite sex, had a job, lived by themselves etc in my opinion should not be worried about Alien love or the highest levels of awakening. The reality is they want to do all those things and more but for whatever reason they dont feel they can, their striving for higher levels of consciousness is just avoidance and i think until they sort themselves out spirituality will almost be a means to an end. If you notice a lot of the people that I wouldve considered quite healthy higher stage people have actually left the forum or post very rarely and its just because of where the forum actually is. Im not criticising anyone for being at any level, thats part of the journey but i think its a bit of an illusion that this is a high level forum. I think this forum is people on their journey, working it out but have been seduced by the idea that they can be awakened mainly through psychedelics and will be able to skip big chunks of the journey. Im not saying that you shouldnt be interested in non-duality or Leos ideas, they of course can help and give you a new perspective on the world. What im saying is that dont expect them to be a way out of anything. Take joy in normal life, dont try to escape, level up in every aspect.

Completely agree with you, the show up is weird because it hasn't got a proper foundation it can almost be a case of the blind leading the blind. But yeah generally the forums priorisation is back to front. I'd agree with @spiritual memes as well in that the clean up is almost non existent. To me this setup can really mess a lot of people up.

Yeah it's the same with anything that you think of as a final goal, you only really look at the positive side I'd you don't have it. Like if you think you wa t this perfect partner you might only think of all the great stuff you can do with them, you don't take into account they may have their own wants and needs and it might be hard to fulfill them. I think in general its just the human condition of a hope for something better, I guess we need the realisation that we can accept things as they are. Most rich people if not all will see the limits of what wealth can do for them and how much stress it can actually be to hold it. Most lottery winners don't keep the money that long.

In my experience people will come to the teachings themselves, when you try and sell people on it, it rarely works. The best way to teach is to be the example yourself, if you live in peace and joy, people will notice and most likely ask you, in which case you will be available. If you feel a need to spread, then explore why that is, keep in mind every ideology feels the need to spread it, no matter how toxic it might be.