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Yeah you had to give more qualifications, exceptional would denote that you are 'better' than others, you have to be clear in what ways you are 'better'. Just being able to proclaim yourself an exceptional man would be indistinguishable from a deluded man or even someone who is very low confidence and has to say that hes exceptional, hoping that one day he believes it.

I understand your point on an individual level, as in its not one white persons fault that things happened in the past and in fact some white people of course can have harder lives than some black people. The issue, as i see it is more on the macro level, salvery and everything that came after it happened but there was never really an apology or an understanding that wrong was committed even until today. This is not just in America, but caribbean islands etc this, i believe is the reason for hostility from some black people toward white people because there was never really an understanding of the pain inflicted, even today there are many white people that think black people are inferior and probably deserved to be enslaved. If you contrast that with Germany, who made a very conscious effort to make up as much as possible, for the wrongs committed to the Jews it results in a much more unified country. Also take into account that slave owners who had to give up their slaves are still being compensated, even now. Of course this is not any particular individual white persons fault but you can understand the reluctance for black people to just let it go, when their whole history is filled with this trauma and even now when they complain about how theyre treated they arent believed. Its akin to if a woman is abused by several men, it wont be easy for her to trust men, we might say 'look we're not all like that', but you cant blame her for being wary even if technically shes wrong about all men. Its the same with black people its just that its been passed down generations. I think for white people kind of caught in the cross fire the best thing to do is just understand this context.

You say 'we' so i take it you class yourself as an exceptional man, what puts you in this bracket as an exceptional man?

For me an exceptional man would have to have ethics that extended beyond himself otherwise he wouldnt be exceptional he would just be a narcissist at best or psychopath at worst and I wouldnt want them asserting their will on the world in anyway. Some of the biggest genocides in human history have been because of these types of people asserting their will on the world. If you had an exceptional man who had empathy for others and his cone of concern went beyond himself into the actual world then thats fine, assert your will as it would be beneficial for all, but if its just how much you can get and dominate and destroy then whether you like it or not society will have a backlash against you.

Everyone has some form of ethics, really it just depends on how far your scope of concern reaches. Does your ethics include others or does it just include yourself? Tate has ethics in that if someone wrongs him from his perspective he would be against that ie him being put in prison, to him unfairly, is 'wrong'. However his ethics dont extend to other people, hes happy to take advantage of others for his own ends. Ethics are not some ideology that you believe in for the sake of it, although they could be, but really its an attempt to have a society where everyone is better off. If everyone did think like Tate, in that their ethics only extended to themselves it would be a terrible society, most likely someone like Tate would rule over it.

When i mention Tates goals, im not guessing, he himself will say that his aim is to conquer as a king did in days gone by, he will say that he does want to amass as much wealth and power as possible. In of itself theres nothing wrong with this he is free to go ahead, I might think its shallow or not a deserving purpose, which actually i dont really, but if i did i would be free to think and make that judgement as i might hold higher pursuits more worthwhile. Now if we can agree that these are Tates goals and you can call the idea of achieving them beauty if you like, as in its beauty to set a goal and achieve it. Then really you can put any achievement or any individual goal that is achieved in this same bracket, despite the consequences. So for example if im a serial killer i could say there is beauty in me going out and killing 100 people, which is also fine but as you say there is a trade off for the beauty which is the loss that is incurred. This is similar with Tate, if his goal is to achieve money, power, status and he hurts numerous people along the way I would 100% be willing to sacrifice that beauty for the people that hes hurt. For me its not even about 'goodness', Tate doesnt have to good, but what i would label not good is the negative effect he has on people which is calculated, manipulative and deceptive. To me he is a con man, in that he promises much, while taking your money and not really delivering, yes there is an art to that, but lets call it what it is. Also its easy to talk from a distance and pontificate, if you were affected by Tates actions, lets say your sister fell in love with him and ended up doing cam girl work which she later regretted or when you were young and vulnerable you scrapped together 5k to do a course with him that didnt actually get you anywhere you wouldnt be saying 'yeah i was just a necessary sacrifice in the art of Tate getting rich'. You also might say that all these people he gets money from chose to give it to him on some level, which is true, but then that is the genius of Tate and what all con man do, they offer you your wildest dreams, for the cam girl its to fall in love with a strong man and make money, for the men that pay for cam girls its sex/love with a beautiful girl, for the young men that follow him its a strong father figure and a way to become rich and strong themselves. These are all people in need, Tate has an intuitive knack for indentifying these needs, pretending to fulfil them and taking as much money from them in the process. It is art but not an art that should be encouraged and celebrated.

The crucial thing is what are the main drivers and what is the end goal of a person. In Musks case he wants to advance the world in what he believes is the best way, electric cars, rockets etc. He's obviously not doing it for the money as he's already got more money than he could ever spend and also there would be much more easier ways to make money than what he does. He does want power and influence but that's more likely to allow him to complete his goals. With Tate if you look at all his interests there is no higher goal it's simply to amass as much money and power as is possible. So when you say 'actualise their vision', that is his vision. That's fine if people want to support that and help him do that, but the whole point is that he is manipulating people because he makes people think that he does care about them when in actuality manipulating people IS how he's achieving his goal. He needs them to follow him and he also needs their money. This has been a constant through his life. The cam girl business is literally him pretending (as he himself says) to love women and then manipulating them to make him money, which he gets by manipulating guys to fall in love with the girls and then using more manipulative tactics to milk as much money from them as possible. This is exploitation on exploitation, this is Tates true skill and this is what amassed his fortune. Why would he just stop at that, he's using those some skills and using it on a different demographic, young men. He's giving them exactly what they want and getting as much money as they can give, its the same thing. Musk is not even close to this, people work with Musk knowing upfront what he's trying to do, whether he's a good boss or not is another question, but Tate is completely different

This is video from a Christian guy about Tates conversion. Obviously the Christian guy is defensive of his religion but he sums up why Tates reasoning for converting is dumb quite well

@StarStruck No ones saying Tate needs to be saint or that normal people don't want to make money. Hear what I'm saying, most people are not that interested in fame, power and amassing wealth in the same way Tate is, as in they're not willing to manipulate and screw over others to get it, simply because the trade off isn't worth it for them. Generally for most people they just want a decent job, family etc, Tate might look at those people and from his perspective he might see them as losers because they don't have the same drives as him. These drives that he has allow him to take advantage of people without any remorse, in fact he has bragged about taking advantage of men on podcasts. So when you say 'he cares about men a lot', from his actions imo this is not true at all. Even his 'caring' involves taking as much money as he can from these young men. Yes every therapist or professional takes money from their client, but then the difference is the therapist is not making claims that they can make you enough money where you don't have to work or even an equivalent of they will sort out all your problems, in fact if they can't help you they'll refer you to someone else or even tell you that you don't need anymore sessions in most cases anyway. Tate is doing something different, which is taking advantage of people in need and this is what he has always done throughout his life. There maybe some things you could take from him but I don't think most of his followers are capable of doing this without buying in completely.

@StarStruck What do you think are the main drivers of Andrew Tate? ill answer my own question lol but feel free to answer. Imo i think he is driven by fame, power and wealth. I say this because he always talks about that being all mens true ambition to conquer lands, he wants to be a king basically. Although he wants to say he cares about young men and is trying to help them, actually his fortune is being made from them, through HU and also his 5k per head bootcamps. To me someone who genuinely cared for young men wouldn't take money from them in this way esp if you're already rich and also if you know that your target market is actually struggling. People have differing opinions about Jordan Peterson but I couldn't see him take money from his followers in the same way. I'm not saying Tate has g9ne out purposely to screw over young men I just think the other stuff is so much more important to him that he doesn't care who gets hurt in the process, which was of course with the cam girls and the lonely men he manipulated into giving as much money as possible.

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@Danioover9000 Its difficult because from the rich persons perspective theyre wrong either way, so if they dont do any charity work theyre a rich miser that just hoards their money and doesnt care about poor people, if they do charity work they probably have some ulterior motive like good pr or even world control. So in this sense there is no win in open to them in terms of public perception, essentially people just think its wrong for you to have so much money period, because in this system if you have this amount money you can make decisions that affect millions of people. So i think when people criticise acts like this Mr Beast one, theyre really criticising a system that allows someone to have so much money and then the power that comes with that, not necessarily the rich person who in fact maybe the most caring person in the world and wants to use their money for good. This also shows up in other billionaires, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburg both have pledged their entire fortunes to charity when they die and have also setup charities whilst alive to help various causes. However conspiracy theories have been rampant about them and i think this is mainly due to the reasons i pointed out previously. This presents a massive problem because there are people around the world in genuine need, literally people that cant see. We have a system that can not reach all these people for whatever reason but that also will allow you to become a billionaire if you can provide the requisite value to people, however those billionaires will be seen as bad if they do try and reach the people in need even though the government wont. It is a tough situation, ultimately you could argue that the structure of society should be that as long as people are in need there shouldnt be anyone with the amount excess wealth we're seeing, which would be some sort of communism or socialism. If you wouldnt want to go down that road then i dont think there can be complaints about rich people helping poor people, even if they benefit in social capital

The same thing happened with R.Kelly, there were 2 girls who said they were with him willingly but they had no contact with their families and couldnt go out by themselves, but they still claimed it was all their own decision. Obviously R.Kelly is now in prison for grooming, kidnap etc etc. I think it would make sense for an outside psychologist to determine whether the girls are able to make that decision but of course that psychologist could be just saying what the court wants, so its a bit of a tricky situation to get to the truth.

Do you do other work with your therapist ie does he do IFS or cbt or some other therapy with you?

It's true rsd Derek is very shady, there were some records pulled a out him claiming to own and live in some mansion but really he stayed there for a night and the owner keeps getting letters for him ? there's a video I'll try and pull it up. But in general I don't think rsd are that bad, they give out a lot of free content and the courses are not even priced that bad it's just when you do the boot camps and stuff it starts to get silly. Tate basically has the same model, gives out free advice and then has his hustlers U which actually if you compare it to the rsd courses will work out more because rsd just do a one off payment, you could argue Tate is a bit 'smarter' in how he milks his followers. Also he has extremely high priced in person events where he charges 5k a per person and then of course the war room, which I'm not sure how much it costs but obviously more than $50. He does have it setup to take as much money as possible from his followers. I think there are more 'healthy' online male improvement personalities like Hamza and 1st man for example, I also really like Dr Tian, obviously no ones perfect but you get the sense that they're ot just milking their audience. With Tate I think he does give a sense of power to powerless men which can be important but I think baggage that comes with it will probably do more harm than good. The view of women is completely skewed, which makes sense considering his webcam business, to be able to do that how he did it there has to be a poor perception of women, so of course this would bleed over into his advice to young men.

I asked Chatgpt - in the style of malcolm X can you tell a story about someone cutting you off in traffic "My friends, I was driving down the highway when a reckless driver cut me off. I felt a surge of anger rise within me, for I know the struggle of being disregarded and disrespected. But then I remembered the teachings of my faith, and I took a deep breath and let the anger pass. For too long, the black man has been treated as an inferior being, a second-class citizen. And now, on the roads, we're faced with similar challenges. But I refuse to let the actions of a single driver define me or diminish my sense of self-worth. I will not stoop to the level of aggression and violence that too often plagues our society. Instead, I choose to lead by example, to demonstrate the power of love and understanding in the face of hatred and ignorance. We must rise above the prejudices and indignities of this world, my friends, and show that we are a people of dignity, strength, and grace. That is the only way we will truly gain the respect that we deserve." pretty good

Their customer service line would be hilarious to listen in on "Im so angry ive used your cream for a year and my dick is still 2 inches" "Sorry to hear that sir, Ill send you 2 more bottles for free as a goodwill gesture"

The thing is situations like this will always come up with wingmen, what makes them a good wingman is if they can handle these emotionally. So because he doesn't seem to be able to I don't think he would be good wingman material. It can obviously be tough to be rejected but it's also unavoidable in this game

Didnt he say he specifically moved to Romania because of how lax their laws are and also that he could do whatever he wanted be bribing and knowing the right people?

Probably not go back to the mall

I think if you were a narcissist you either wouldnt take the test or take it and answer with the non-narcissist answers or if you did score high maybe blame the test.

I don't buy that other teachers just give you lovey dovey platitudes, this might be the case in the new age community but I think teachers who are considered higher level such as Mooji or Rupert Spira definitely don't do this. Sometimes there's almost like an exasperation of 'why don't you get this' but I think what shines through with them is their compassion which you really feel. I'm not saying Leo isn't compassionate, but it doesn't really come through in his teachings. Also there is a certain arrogance I feel Leo has in comparison to these other teachers, as he's said this could be just for effect but either way, the other teachers have a certain lightness to their energy whereas Leo's is a bit heavier. I guess you could put this down to either personality or just that maybe they are just further developed, which would also make sense in terms of the age difference. But I appreciate what Leo does and I think its interesting to have the kind in depth, analytical takes that he does, I just don't think the all knowing teacher persona comes across that well.

I heard once that someone will believe something if 2 conditions are met - 1) it's the first they are hearing of the subject 2) it's being presented to them in a charismatic and believable way, by someone they trust. For example someone might believe in Islam because they were introduced to it as a child, which was the first they ever heard of the religion and it was presented to them by their parents who they trusted. Even at an older age maybe you believe flat earth because its the first time you ever heard of the possibility the earth might not be round and then maybe it was presented to you by a youtuber you already watched and liked.

I play 1 minute games so they're pretty much 100% intuition and almost like a muscle memory of the moves you make in certain positions that have worked before

Dam that's good