Consept

@mr_engineer Btw you on your bullet points you only had one that was directly part of your life, but I wasn't necessarily talking about you I was saying in general, the people complaining about these 'injustices' can easily live real life without ever really coming into contact with them regularly. Bigger point, don't you think everyone has to go through injustices because of their given identity. Black people have specific struggles, I've personally been stopped by the police numerous times for no particular reason. Women have their struggles, I was at a party just this weekend and one of the guys was bordering on harassment in his pursuit of women at the party. Men of course have struggles as well I'm just saying the solution to these problems is not bitching about another group that you think has more privilege than you, it's to make the best of the hand you've been dealt. You probably don't care that much about the struggles of other groups and that's normal because they don't affect you in the same way. I'm not saying struggles don't exist, I'm just saying this strategy of trying to shame others of caring about your specific struggle is just not gonna work. As I said lonely men need to do what they need to do and is within their influence to get out of that situation if they are not happy about. Blaming others is just enabling them to stay where they are. It's like if you're fat and unhealthy and not happy about it, blaming people that call you fat is not gonna get you healthy, it might feel good shaming people but your arteries are still clogged up

If your problems only exist when you look at your phone or computer and not in your everyday life then the solution should be obvious. How many feminists are minimising you or telling you to change as you go about your day to day life in the real world? Probably none therefore these are not real problems unless you want them to be. Or what about look at your phone but avoid the algorithm that let's you feel like a victim by blocking those channels. This is not hard.

You can call it what you want, what I was giving you is a masculine, problem solving response, which is the kinda response that ironically is demonised in feminist circles. Just because you label a response something it doesn't mean it's not valid. The point is what gets results, meaning what is actually going to help men out of their situation. Your solution seems to be let's call out women that criticise men online, I guess bu leaving comments or posting on forums. My solution is men should get out, maybe go to the gym, get therapy, meet people, don't get involved with culture wars or looking for online enemies or people that enable them online. Essentially I propose taking responsibility you seem to proposing blame. People are free to choose what they think works and I would suggest try both ways and see what leaves you less lonely.

If you are happy being lonely and people are putting you down for that then I can somewhat understand how maybe attacking back makes sense. But the key here is that men don't want to be lonely, it's not something they are proud about and are celebrating, in fact they hate the situation their in and some can even go to the extent of killing themselves because of it. So you can shut down as many people saying negative things as you like, you can ban them from discourse but men will still be lonely it doesn't solve the underlying problem. What does solve the underlying problem is having positive role models, is getting out there, pursuing things etc. What doesn't is constantly arguing online with feminists. Also as I said previously, for every group imaginable there are people speaking online who don't like that group. Should we shut down everyone that ever speaks against a group? Who cares just get out and make your life better, the online world is so different from the real world, you dont encounter probably 1% of the back and forth culture wars that exist online so in actual reality you are free to change your situation whenever you want, what keeps you not changing your situation is this belief in the boogeyman holding you back. Bullshit bro, man up

Topics like this always come down to are you blaming the world or are you taking responsibility for your situation? Internet culture is vast in that you can find enemies anywhere no matter who you are or how you identify, there will be people speaking about how they dont like women, how they dont like men, how they dont like black people, asian, muslim, whatever you identify as you will find someone who doesnt like you. This is partly why people spend so much time online because there are people questioning their very existence as their identity and there are also people validating there existence and defending them against these enemies. We watch this play out as if theyll be an ultimate winner or loser and we get happy when our side wins a debate or an exchange. In reality none of this matters, men might be lonely for a number of reasons but its up to each individual man to work why that is and what he can do to change. Whats funny is taking responsibility for yourself is supposed to be a masculine trait, but it seems in this instance that these lonely men want people to feel sorry for them so its a bit of a contradiction. Now maybe there could be elements where the current social landscape is not favourable to men, but shit happens, I agree up in England as a black male, ive never felt the social landscape was in my favour, so it happens to everyone, its just how you deal with it. Do you become better or do you become bitter? Lonely men need to work out what they can actually do within their own bubble, can they try and meet more people, can they go to clubs or take up hobbies that help them socialise around common interests? If youre sitting at home watching content about how no one cares that youre lonely obviously your not making any moves to remedy that situation. Also this criticism isnt limited to lonely men, this can be for women who blame men for their problems as well, essentially anyone that blames externally and feels that the solution is to bring down another group, you can do it i just dont see how it help your situation.

In theory the scamming men part is illegal as well but it might be a bit complicated to prosecute. I guess it would be more of a moral issue at this point but in the discussion with the psychologist he rationalises by saying he helped lonely men talk to women

Well biologically it's when a boy goes through puberty and becomes an adult which is the actual answer. But I would say a boy becomes a man when he is no longer reliant on other adults directly for his survival and takes responsibility for himself.

I'm making the point that a male dog doesn't have to be anything other than a male dog to be considered a male dog so why is there extra criteria for a 'real' man? Might be more accurate to say what's a successful man or a morally good man

Reading up on it, it's not necessarily aliens it could also be another species of human that died out (probably killed) from 1000s of years ago, so that's a possibility as well

What's a real male dog?

Tbf that is speculation, of course its possible but it also wouldnt surprise me if the total of his assets was what was seized. Also if it is offshore its pretty much useless as if he tries to extract anything the cops will be onto him, either way even if he had the 25 mill which is unlikely theres very little chance that he would be able to access and donate it even if he wanted to, which i dont think he really wants to. All of this is just an attempt to clean up his image

This is from an article about what was seized by DIICOT when the brothers were arrested. Basically amounts to £10 mill mostly in the car collection, but also crypto, properties, watches and other luxury goods. It is possible he has some money hidden somewhere, but it still wouldn't make sense him donating 25 mill as if he's only claiming he earns a certain amount, donating 25 mill would definitely raise some eyebrows from the authorities. "The DIICOT indictment suggests his fortune is much smaller, however. According to the source quoted by The Sun Online: 'The biggest assets of Tate brothers are their cars - which are estimated to be around £8 million. 'Their houses and lands are also estimated at more than £2 million,' they added. 'As for their account,' the source told the publication, 'further investigations are to be made, as there is also another file on their names for money laundering, a file which is far from being ended.' The assets listed in the indictment include: '15 lands and buildings located within the [Romanian regions] of Ilfov, Prahova and Braşov, 15 luxury cars, 14 luxury watches, 2 ingots and a medal, the social shares owned within 4 commercial companies.' It said the shares within four commercial companies were in different currencies, in the amounts of 86,580 Romanian lei (£15,000), 52,650 euros (£45,000), 17,430 US dollars (£13,500) and 10,370 British pounds - a total of around £84,000." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12215109/amp/Andrew-Tates-10million-fortune-seized-Romanian-cops.html

@Optimized Life Just to be clear, the issue isnt that he has a webcam business, the issue is that he got women to work in it through deception (pretending hes in a relationship and wants to marry them) and kept them there through controlling their finances, holding passports, blackmail etc. These things are highly illegal obviously. If he had just asked women maybe already in the industry and negotiated a deal with them that's fine but of course those women wouldn't work for next to nothing and could leave whenever they wanted, which is not what Tates wants of course.

The defining question would be how much did he donate before he got locked up? If hes only donating after then obviously its a pr stunt to make him look like the good in the eyes of the public. The other alternative is that he suddenly realised he should give back after becoming a muslim coincidently around the same time he got locked up. Even if that was true why it would be haram not repent and admit all hes done, he also tried to influence witnesses and attempted to bribe Romanian politicians according to wiretaps from his conversations from jail, so not really buying the 'i converted so im a good guy now'. The other thing is theres no way he even has 25 mill and if he did he would definitely not donate that much. What people that support him dont seem to realise is that he lies a lot. Even something as superficial as his childhood chess career he lied about that, its one of my favourite lies of his as it literally makes no sense See around 12:22 for the chess story

This is something I've noticed in myself, specifically when people knowingly brainwash people and not only take their money but get them to believe fully in whatever bullshit they're trying to peddle. I find it so frustrating to talk to people who have gone done these rabbit holes and try and show them how this is harmful. But what I'm learning is that truth and karma always seem to come through in the end. Look at how much work people like Tate and Iggy have to do to sustain their truth for their means and ultimately it still doesn't work, truth is so powerful and its undefeated. Every grifter I've seen rise up always crashes down hard. During the pandemic I got really annoyed with Brian Rose who was taking money, millions literally, from his followers because of some bullshit freedom of speech crusade, now his channel with 2 mil+ subs, struggles to get even a few hundred views per video. I think you have to just detach as much as possible and let reality just do what it's going to do.

Speaking to a camera by yourself, for an intended audience in of itself is inauthentic because youre not directly communicating with someone so you are in a sense pretending to connect. You will also be aware that youre trying to keep peoples attention, youre trying to portray a certain image, as well as convey whatever message your sending. So theres a lot going on. Its hard to find people in life but especially on youtube who would be 100% authentic, even if theres a 'dont give a fuck' attitude, that can still be a character. All that to say, the woman in the video just might not be good at being 'authentic' to the camera but might still have a valid message or even normally be authentic. We would have to see her in real life

It is the opposite, the change to society over the last few decades has been women being given the rights, both legally and socially, to do what men traditionally did. The pill and other contraceptions mean that they can have sex without the risk of getting pregnant. They now have equity in the workplace and there is no social repercussions for them prioritising a career over family. So women now, don't need a man as they mightve before. Men still need women in the same way as before as we haven't filled in the gaps left by women as they've filled the gaps left by men. So the issue is actually developing updated roles for men. But ultimately men and women do need each other, even if we can fulfill the practical things for survival by ourselves, I think to really prosper and develop we need each other

Here's the thing you have faith in something regardless. So you might have faith that everything can be 'figured out' by your mind and then you might be have faith that you are your mind. You have absolute faith in this to the point where you are lost because you can't figure out faith itself with your mind. So really it's more a question of where do you place your faith, do you place your faith in your separated ego or do you place in something higher than yourself? If your ego is not real then you are putting faith into something that doesn't exist but it's hard to drop the ego without faith that something else will catch you.

You should watch it, i actually felt a bit sorry for Tate at the end, he was deeply wounded by his father but he cant blame him in anyway. He sounded like a little boy with a skewed idea of what it is to be a strong man. He can never be present or be with and explore emotions. Its quite sad tbh, BUT he cant accept responsibility for what hes done and he cant let in the truth about himself, so he needs to be humbled one way or another and i think this is what is happening for him, it will be interesting to see if he keeps blaming "the matrix" or he actually repents but either way hes going to prison imo

@Danioover9000 Dunno bro, i got premium

Actually found this quite interesting, Tate sits with a psycho-analyst who actually pushes him on a few things. Im only an hour in but around 40 min Tate talks about how he doesn't believe that if people show emotions its real, he sees it as a way to manipulate people because if he were to show emotions he would be manipulating others. He was also pushed on the men he manipulated but he rationalises it by saying, someone would've manipulated them if not him, then kind of catches himself and says he helped them because they were lonely and so gave them a "girlfriend". Generally what I get from it and the analyst brought it up, is that he's able to twist things and take control of the narrative even within the conversation. Interested to know others thoughts

In an ideal world everyone would be able to say whatever they want and there would be a general respect for each other. But the reality is free speech can and has consistently been used in the past to suppress other people as well brainwash and radicalise others. There are countless examples that have led to everything from a group of people being treated unfairly to genocide of millions (Rwanda, South Africa, Germany, lots of countries). Whats been different in the past is that only the rulers have had that platform, now its available for everyone but the risks are the same if not more, because although not perfect there are limits to what big platforms and government can say or do, whereas normal people dont have these checks. So before you could just hate black people in your room and maybe talk to couple friends about it, now in theory you can have a platform to get into the ears of millions. People would love to think that all people are critical thinkers and with our freedom we're able to choose whats right and wrong, but heres the thing - propaganda works! Thats why companies spend billions on advertising, they know that they can get you to buy things you dont really need even if these things can actually damage you physically, mentally or financially. So if someone is charismatic and convincing they can definitely get people to follow, the numerous cults throughout history are evidence of that. So the balance is how can we let everyone say and do what they want, without people having the power to cause harm to others and society as a whole? If you accept what ive outlined that unchecked freedom of speech can potentially be dangerous, then free speech absolutism is almost like saying there should be no laws, we should be able to do whatever we want and trust each other to do the right thing.

If it was integrity, he would stand behind what he's saying now instead of denying it or claiming it was 10 years ago or that it was only helping girls with silly tiktok videos. He said the things he said before because he probably didn't think he was doing anything illegal or if he was he wasn't famous enough for anyone to care. Aside from that he lies all the time, everything from being a chess champion, which was checked and didn't happen, to how much money he has, he claimed a billion when the feds only found 10 mill in cash and assets (although he could be hiding money). He is charismatic and can be funny but that's about it, integrity isn't his strong point

'They' sound powerful, cant believe theyre using all the resources to wrongfully convict the Tates, youd think theyd be focused on something else other than these guys that just motivate young men and work with young women to help them monetise their tik tok videos

It depends how you look at it, but one perspective would be that if you accept that Tates main goal was to make money and gain status (which he has said himself) and the means to do this is to manipulate people (which hes also said himself) then any 'good' hes done would be in service to this goal and the people that would say hes done good would be the ones being manipulated. Most of the women that he trafficked will defend him because theyve groomed to do so, meanwhile theyre making money for him through sex work, a lot of R.Kellys victims also defended him and hes now in prison. But this is not limited to the women, the men that believe he has done overwhelmingly good things are also victims of this manipulation. Think about it every 'evil' leader in history had supporters that would swear that the person has done great things, Hitler, Escobar, Charles Manson, Jim Jones etc etc. Although im not equating Tate with them as they obviously caused a lot more damage, it is the same psychology being used, whereby supporters are more than willing to make excuses for quite obvious crimes. You could argue that Hitler was incredibly motivational and a great speaker who boosted the confidence of many people and made them proud to be German, but i wouldnt argue he was a 'good' influence on society. Its possible that someone can do bad things, repent turn their life around and do great things for society. The issue here is that Tate claims no responsibility and is blaming everyone else but himself and his crew for the situation he finds himself. These are not the actions of someone that does good, because if you were focused on doing good you would at least acknowledge the harm you may have caused, which is why i dont think hes orientated to do good at all, its just a perception of it that hes creating to get followers to think hes some noble man. On a practical level his teachings around working out, diet etc are objectively very low level, there are many better teachers of that. Motivation i can see how he is effective but again so are cult leaders. What he does expose is how needed good male role models are in society.