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Lol yeah that's a pretty good analogy. Patrice O' Neal did a joke something like, men put their dick in a glory hole just so something happens to it they don't care what. For women sex starts when they meet a guy and they are conniseurs of it

Good question, I guess not because they will probably get the feeling I don't want to be around them. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I have tried seeing the good in him. I'm not sure if I'm just heavily biased because of past behaviour and just my general perception of them, but I do feel almost everything they do in relation to other people is some form of manipulation to get what they want, which I believe to be narcissistic supply, as well as survival needs from others. A stupid example might be offering as a birthday present an activity that the recipient has no interest in but that they really want to do. So on the face of it, it seems nice but there's no real concern for whether the person actually wants to do that thing. There are much worse examples btw, but just wanted a fairly light one. I do have these boundaries up, which is why they have developed issues with me. However what's hard for me to watch is the stress they put other members of the family under who don't have good boundaries. I have tried pointing out things but it usually ends in them reacting badly and justifying everything put forward. I think this will be the route ultimately taken, what I find is I have to limit myself so much around them and cannot live in truth because truth is corrosive to them, if something questions their reality, they react very negatively. So for me I don't see how I could be around that. Before I guess I wanted to keep peace and just tell people to keep boundaries etc but now I feel I want to opt out Thank you my bro 🙏🏽

This is the issue, I would be fine to just be there for them or talk to them or whatever the case maybe but I feel when I do that there are attempts to manipulate me to do things that they want or just to enable the behaviour, using the central issue as a pretence for this. So for example it could be them saying I'm depressed so I don't want to work anymore, but then they may say to their parents that they're thinking of unaliving themselves so their parents pay their rent. Then when I 'support' them I have accept this manipulative behaviour to be around them because if I were to question it, I would also be an uncaring monster. So what I'm having trouble with is, is not wanting to be around them because of their distorted reality but then also being aware that they have been through something potentially very traumatic.

To be honest this is a big componant, they have always been protected from the consequences of their actions. Someone always bails them out agrees with them even when they're wrong, I do believe this has led to how they are now. Even me who has tried to keep a decent distance, if a friend had done similar I probably wouldn't talk to them again. So just by virtue of it being a family member I have loosened my boundaries. I feel that because they know that I have to have looser boundaries they feel more confident to push them. This is also part of the problem as they constantly have to be around people. However the amount of people that want to be around them is dwindling due to their behavior

I can resonate with what youre saying thanks. I think in this instance uncovering these patterns is seemingly impossible because they see no problem with their behavior. Theyre very good at spinning situations so at least to themselves theyre the righteous one, even if everyone disagrees. So I dont know how they will uncover this when they dont believe there are any problems.

It's basically they're going through something and they feel like no one is supporting them. However there is always some kind of dispute with them, if it wasn't this it would be something else

@Javfly33 I see your point, in some ways the victim can be somewhat culpable in not fighting back. But I think the dynamic of bullying would mean that there's a power differential between thr bully and victim. In some cases this can be very wide like a celebrity, let's call for example duddy and a non-celebrity who works for him. Duddy specifically knows how to manipulate and bully this person and can also put fear in this person that no one will believe them. We have to accept that there are going to be more powerful people tha others in our society, the question is, do the strong people protect them or do they take advantage of them.

Just do it once a week

I don't really know too much about this guy and my Spanish isn't good enough to get much of what he's saying (even though I'm in Spain atm). But I just wanted to say a couple things ive noticed about influencers in this space. The main goal is to make you feel something, motivated, happy, intrigued, even envy, whatever. This is done through talking in a tone that seems completely certain of what they are saying. What they're saying is somewhat important but the more successful ones are able to say it in a way that hooks you. The actual content won't be anything you couldn't get and even better in relevant books, so it isn't really the content it's the feeling you get from the personality. So what happens is you buy in wholesale to this personality and even defend them when others criticise them. You overlook any flaws because you're focused on the way you feel when you listen to them. This feeling trumps any logic because it's addictive. There's also the feeling of 'normal' people don't get it but I do, so it gives you a sense of you're the one in the know. These guys are experts at doing this, this is their real talent. This isn't to say that you couldn't have this talent and also have something worthwhile to say and don't have any ulterior motives. But in my experience it's more likely people that develop these talents to this degree, are usually covering up something. If you are really trying to seek further understanding and knowledge, I would build up the skill of trying to discern who is trying to manipulate your feelings for some sort of gain and who is genuinely just passing on solid, helpful information

Tbf the royal family have always done this, but the coins are never as high in price as Trumps coin and are produced by the royal mint where all the currency is minted - https://www.royalmint.com/shop/commemorative/royalty/

I think the main issue with being a debunked is just by debunking it puts you at a higher moral ground or at least attempts to, than whoever you're debunking. So your bias and your own ideology are very important factors. Everyone has bias' but if you're not aware of them and actively work to counter act them, you would feel in the trap of someone just attacking people that don't believe what you do. Another issue is being taken in or gullible, I've seen Spencer Cornelia literally be fooled by grifters that he's interviewed. You have to have an open mind but it can't be so open that you're being convinced by bullshit. A lot of online people set themselves up as debunkers, lets say someone like candace owens, but really she's just trying to forward her narratives and discredit others. So it's extremely important that people just learn how to actually discern when someone is like this, it's difficult because if someone agrees with you, you'll probably overlook red flags. Regarding decoding the gurus, I like them because Brand and the like are obvious grifters and I like to see people going at them, but I think because of their snarky, laughing at them mode of conversation, it takes away from their ability to actually convince anyone who mightve been a follower of Brand, that he's bullshit. Imo coffezilla does a great job in terms of it would be hard to watch his videos on Logan Paul and still be able to side with Logan Paul even of you did before.

I think his intentions are probably sincere but he's definitely got biases that are quite obvious. But then again unless you get some unbiased ai, that's always gonna be a factor

thoughts?

So you don't think the danger from absolute free speech is enough that it would be worth working out a balance and have some regulations on free speech? You'd rather go with the binary blanket free speech. OK I mean it's an opinion I guess

Would you guys say the right are more likely to grift? Like would prominent figures on the left sell out to promote Russian propaganda?

Whats your opinion on the anti-tourism movement? Obviously there are pros in terms of money coming in but very relevant cons in terms of pricing locals out of the market

So are you saying there are no dangers to blanket free speech, aside from what you mentioned previously about screaming fire in a theatre?

Hopefully one day humans will get to a point where they don't need any rules and their consciousness is high enough where it's not really an issue. Kind of like if you have a kid that's really responsible, you don't need to give them rules really. But I commend you on being open to a different perspective, that's what this forum is about

Laws won't save you, Russia specifically did this through 3rd parties to avoid detection and they definitely could've gotten away with it. Apart from espionage, there are people within the society who could promote lies, hate speech etc in an effort to gain power or radicalise people for their own purposes. Think about the fact that most school shooters or mass murderers, have some distorted, hateful ideology that they picked up from the internet. These are all very real problems that are not simple to deal with. The sort of free speech you're talking about could only exist successfully if there weren't any bad faith actors. Using the forum as an example, if Leo didn't have any rules and regulations, it would work if everyone was posting in good faith and not attacking each other. But in reality if there were no rules and regulations it would attract all sorts of people spamming the forum, if Leo relaxed all rules for a week the site would be unusable and everyone would leave. This is even more important in wider society otherwise society would be unlivable. People that talk about we should be free from government control, don't actually understand the freedom afforded to you by the government, in that they protect your freedom from others. Without that you wouldn't 'have' anything.

When you're paid to say stuff like "Ukraine is the enemy of America" I'm sure you know something is up. But in terms of proving it in court or wherever that might be difficult they're argument has to be 'I'm so dumb I didn't realise'.

We're not talking free speech from within a society, we're talking the lax laws on regulating freedom of speech allowing foreign propaganda to proliferate and potentially destroy the society in the namevof free speech. Your free speech won't last long when you're taken over by a dictator. If you were running would you allow damaging false information to run wild? I understand your concern of going too far in terms of regulation, but that is where the balance has to come in. To just say there should be blanket free speech is a very simplistic approach that could never work in reality. It couldn't even work on this forum which is why Leo regulates it and has to because most people may not want to be on a forum where hate speech is allowed, hence there are rules.

Literal idiots

Yeah there are protections in place because obviously the US is gonna police threats and attacks on it. But the point is that if you go down the road of minimal regulation on free speech, these incidents are 100% going to happen. What if this wasn't caught, it hasn't been for a long time. The balancing act of free speech and regulation is a lot more complicated than those advocating for near limitless free speech. Imagine of Russia could just legally spread propaganda, it could literally lead to the collapse of society. This is not even a fantasy worst case, they are literally trying to do this and have been for a while.

Have you heard the news about Russia paying some right-wing commentators to spread Russian propaganda including anti-ukraine sentiments? Some of the commentators were Tim Pool and Dave Rubin, although they're still digging into it. How would your law deal with this real world scenario? Would you let them spread the disinformation in the name of free speech?

Who is an important question, but I'm asking if its you in charge how would you navigate it?