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@Someone here you might find this conversation between neuro scientist David eagleman and sadhguru interesting -

@Someone here As far as I know science hasn't worked out what consciousness is or even if it comes from the brain. The observer doesn't dissappear it will always be there, but your ability to communicate it may not be. Do you have any studies that scientists have worked out consciousness?

Who told you America is the best country in the world? (I'm guessing America) in most rankings and criteria they are way behind other developed countries https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/01/07/greatest-country-face-this-earth-not-even-close/BOjGLize9H7OiX33J2c2MO/story.html The other thing is you really don't have to be left or right just follow the truth. If you look you can find 'bad' and 'good' points on both sides, what matters is truth. Also for your comparison you would have to live in a more socialist country to make that judgement, live in a progressive European country for a while and then compare it to America.

@Someone here Yes your state can be changed but there's always a witness of these changes. For example something can make me angry but I'm not the anger, there is a witness of the anger. Using your example of my blood sugar my state will change maybe mentally and physically but how would I even know that without witnessing it? So we're not talking about something mystical, however you're defining it, we're talking about something specifically experiential. There is an observed which is the sensations in your body, emotions whatever anything that is within your observation. Then there is the observer, this is the witness of everything observed, it is impossible to observe this because if you were able to observe it then that would be the observed. The observer is what we're saying consciousness is, this can be accessed by dropping any attachment to what's being observed, even if its temporarily, this is what you truly are. It's not mystical it's just changing your perspective

@Someone here science works within a materialist paradigm but how we observe anything is through our consciousness, however science has no clue what consciousness even is. Consciousness can't be observed because we are it, the mind exists within consciousness as we are able to witness our thoughts. So spirituality is looking at the thing that is observing the mind, there is no way to observe it other than experentially and the attachment to mind has to be dropped to experience it. Science feels satisfying because it can build a structure that the mind can understand, but how can all truth and understanding in the universe be contained in our human minds? Must be more right?

@Keyhole we all have a fear response within us, which was and still is necessary for survival. It sees the world through this perspective because its one mission is to survive, it doesn't really care about truth. So yes this feels real, but is it the whole truth? not really. As humans we live in uncertainty, that something swift and world destroying can happen at any time, but that will always be the case, there's no getting away from that. It's easy to get attached to this perspective because it can be the loudest in our heads. Alan Watts said something like it's like if you mistook your security system for yourself. The question is what serves you and humans as a collective more, fear and uncertainty or love and understanding? There maybe an argument that fear can help motivate people to do things, and that's definitely true, but a lot of those things restrict growth and can have terrible outcomes (any war you can mention). Love and understanding can also be the absence of fear, truly world changing for the better examples have happened in this paradigm. Those that have communicated to the masses have lived on forever, jesus, gahndi, budda etc. So what I'm saying here is that being fearful is not the way to improve and grow humanity. It's a restrictive emotion that is just a way to survive. That doesn't mean we can get rid of it but we can see it for what it is and we can put less importance on it. Granted media doesn't help, but we have little control over that, what we do have control over is ourselves (kind of) so at the very least we don't need to spread fear through faulty information and we need to work to raise our consciousness'. Revolution only comes from inside people, external revolution because of fear is usually regression.

We've seen a lot of posts recently talking about how bad the world is and how those in power are out to kill us and control us. Although the world is far from perfect I would invite you to think of a better time in history that you would've preferred to be born in. Maybe you wanted to live through the world and countless other wars last century, maybe the 400 years of slavery and colonisation, maybe the feudal system mightve been fun or living under a monarchy, think your health are would've been good then? I can go on. Of course depends what you want to call better, but I would class things as highest ever life expectancy, highest ever iq, lowest infant mortality, access to unlimited information for everyone, opportunities to make money online, welfare systems, health care, least likely to die in a violent way. (yes all this things can and hopefully will be improved more) You get the idea, but the trajectory has always gone in a positive way. What I think the real conspiracy is, is that you believe that it's not good, we believe that it's evil, however that has happened, through movies, politicians whatever, a lot of people think this is a terrible time, it's simply not true in comparison to other times. What's noticable is that those pushing a fearful rhetoric are those trying to get into power. Marketing companies that try and tell you, you're not good as you are, have to make you think that otherwise you won't buy their products. You ultimately make your reality and I see so many not just on here, holding on to fear, all I'm saying let go, the world will keep improving dispite you fear, never because of it, your fear only holds up yourself.

My stance isnt fixed and nothing is as simple as good or bad, so i acknowledge what you could call good and bad things happen in the world. My point is that we all tend to focus on negative things which creates a reality that seems terrible when the truth of now is that its not as bad as we 'think' its just the positive side of perception is overlooked. To answer your question im not trying to hold on to a belief that the world is always amazing, im just trying to look at the whole thing. If a major disaster happened then i will feel how i feel in that moment i wouldnt ignore it. But humans always have a drive toward growth so if something terrible happened there would still be growth toward something better. What would you say is an accurate perception on the worlds progression at the moment?

@Husseinisdoingfine well they won't be found in that video that's been edited to an inch of its life

No ones saying to stay in a comfort bubble, theres lots of bad stuff happening in the world and my intent is not to deny that but to be grateful and have perspective of how far we've come. The trajectory is toward positive development, that doesnt mean get complacent or ignore suffering but dont dwell within fear that things are terrible and always getting worse. Even within the developing world things are improving - https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7272929/global-poverty-health-crime-literacy-good-news Raising consciousness means looking at things from a more complete perspective and i think because of survival instincts and bad habits we loose the full perspective and only focus on negative, all im saying is its far from the whole picture

Ok so do you think there was a better time in history for humanity as a whole, or a time you wouldve rather have been born? I dont know what the world would be like in the future and of course it continuing to get better relies on constant change. My point was was that we should take stock of where we are now compared to the past instead of living in fear constantly.

@DrewNows I was being a bit sarcastic lol but always love anyway ??

@DrewNows I'll be honest I have looked into a lot of this stuff and come to the conclusions I've come to. But of course there could be a higher position of which you're saying your at, where these facts and worldview that you have come together and create this reality you speak of. Maybe I'll have some kind of Awakening and one day find out, very excited as it seems a fun place to be. @Zanoni ????

@Someone here Awakening is your direct experience being expanded so yes there will be more to your current direct experience if you had an Awakening experience. Saying that there are atoms doesn't add something and isn't 'more' it's just a way to explain and understand something that is there using structures your mind could comprehend. It's like if you eat an apple and have that experience, the experience itself is the thing and will give you the best understanding of the taste of an apple. Not a book that describes the molecular structure of said apple. These descriptions are limited and more of a tool than anything

@Someone here well because majority of you is made up of hydrogen, the rest is oxygen and carbon. Also these atoms are interchangeable within you, so the same atoms that made you you 10 years ago won't be the same atoms that make you now. So how do you exist in a solid way?

@crab12@Leo Gura after a little research that's pretty much my conclusion too

@crab12 the downside would be the relatively high amount of gun deaths. 40,000 every year in the developed USA. So you'd have to weigh that with the upside. Honest question I'm not sure what the upside is, could you break it down for me?

Just throwing it in there but did you know a hydrogen atom is 99.9999999999996% empty space?

You might want to look into hocd, which is to do with having a fear of being gay. I think in general if you talk to a professional they'd be able to help you in this situation

@Verdesbird Japan doesn't have guns, population 127million but less than 10 gun deaths per year. USA 360 million population, guns legal, everyone has guns, 40,000 gun related deaths per year, how do you square that?

@DrewNows The problem is not changing what's around you because as I said from the top what's around you is literally the best it's ever been in human history (please dispute that if you don't feel its true) the problem is that you can't see that and you also can't see the progress that's been made. Your glasses have shit on them so everywhere you look it's shit. Do you say how tightly you and others hold onto this paranoia that your disputing this very thread, your intention, I'm assuming from the direction of your argument lol, is that you want to convince us that we are too positive and your view of being suspicious, fearful and paranoid is the correct view. People will always have theories about things its happened since whenever, people were probably skeptical of ww2 at the time. I found conspiracies interesting on a more psychological meta level like what is the over riding context of why people are so interested in them and obviously as you're within this paradigm you can only see the story of government hiding shit that will harm and destroy everyone, me and some freedom fighters need to warn everyone. But actually there are so many bias' mixed with fear of uncertainty, mixed with attaching your ego to theories. But anyway I'm sure you'll dispute everything I say and try and convince of my close mindedness in not researching the sky is falling down. I personally am grateful that not only was I born in the best time in history so far but in one of the more developed countries within that time and am able to access more accumulated knowledge than has ever been available in history. One day you'll see but I hope for you that you die before you die

@DrewNows if you take a step back from your perspective you'd see you're actually arguing that fear and paranoia is the right or realistic place to be at. You're also suggesting that those not in that place are wrong and you either want them to be there or feel sorry for them that they're not. There's also the assumption that maybe I'm not aware of the 'evil' side as you call it, or I haven't researched anything. Fear and paranoia only exist within the mind. But anyway its your journey and I don't want to be hard on you, this is the experience you need to have so embrace it fully if that's what you feel.

@DrewNows it's not a case of distracting yourself with fake positivity, it's looking at the enteriety of the picture. Fear and paranoia is in all of us for survival, just because it focuses on potential dangers in the world it doesn't mean that is the world. If you were born a king 500 years ago you couldn't even fathom the life of the average person now. As much as you want to hold on to whatever you want to hold on to you can't deny progress has been made. It hasn't been made through fear and paranoia it's been made through people that are able to see through it, those who were fearful have started wars and have generally slowed down our evolution because their view is narrow. But of course you maybe unconscious of this dynamic at play and think that everyone who doesn't see what you see is blind, but maybe they do see it they just see more of the picture

@Jacobsrw Yes good points, intuition is a tricky thing, because something can definitely feel right or feel true but then later be proved wrong, I mean this happens constantly and in a way should happen as we develop both individually and as a collective. I mean look how many people were 100% positive that Lance Armstrong didn't take drugs or that OJ didn't kill anyone. I'm always weary of any anchoring to one type of thought or one person because it limits growth. You're right about bias, they are so influential and there are literally 100s of bias' that affect us at all times, so to even make a bias free judgement you'd have to be aware of all of these. Consciousness is everything, and pratically its the perceiver, so to view something from this perspective would have no bias but there are not many people on the planet that can do that all the time and the ones who can, probably can see the pointlessness of even having or arguing a perspective. The best we can do is try and look at things objectively as possible, which even that is difficult but there should be a conscious effort to put truth above everything even yourself and your bias'.

I think you can have an intuition that someone is awake, but that doesn't mean that everything they say is coming from a deeper place or that their ego doesn't take over sometimes. They are human so different states pass through them as it does us. I think a good skill to develop is not working out who's awake or not but to use your intuition on everything they say. For example Osho says some crazy materialistic things but he also shares deep profound insights, why even label him as awake or not? We can't look inside people's minds. I particularly like Mooji and Paul Hedderman but just because they often say things that resonate with me, if they said something crazy like the earth is flat I wouldn't think it might be true because they said it. I see a lot of bias toward certain people and I get that maybe they made you understand something or took your consciousness higher and that's a good thing, but you have to see they are just people and you particular experience with them may not be them at all, furthermore we are all constantly changing. No one is sacred, anyone can get it even Leo