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Great to hear your experience bro, its all a journey anyway. I think im seeing that a lot of these guys do just treat it as a business, maybe they had some awakening experience or maybe they just heard about things like the LoA and decided to make an identity around it, but either way theyve chosen to monetise it heavily which i get but i dont think theyre coming from a high level perspective. Shame you had the bad timing with Abke, i think hes one of the good ones. i would say though dont rely on just one teacher, in this case Leo for you, no shade on him but i think its really beneficial to get a few perspectives and different understandings on your journey. One guy i really like is Paul Hedderman for example

Just to add, a lot of these guys sell courses, merch and 121 sessions for a lot of money. For example Infinite Waters charges £350 an hour for a 121 session with him, now im not saying this is good or bad, obviously they need to make money somewhere but it just strikes me as a bit strange, esp using marketing tactics that other financial or pick up gurus use. Its like if you strip away the content, the structure is the same thing except instead of promising material things they promise peace.

@Aaron p Nah I know what you mean it's the same feeling I get with them as well. It sounds nice and cool but I don't know if he's just good at making it sound nice, you don't get a sense of direct experience. That's not to put him down, but I do think if I listened to him when I was first getting into this stuff it would've been quite confusing

@enderx7 Yeah completely agree with you there, I came accross Abke a few months ago and I can feel the authenticity with him, you can see a clear difference between him and the other guys. I would recommend him as well 100%. Normally I wouldn't have an issue with the other guys, I don't follow them but in theory I like what they're doing for newbies, but after hearing their opinions on the current situation I just thought, what's the deal here? As in is it just a way to get popularity on YouTube. Could just be a general thing of new agey stuff I don't know

@annonnimm32 How do you biologically prove heterosexual people are real? What I'm saying is race doesn't biologically exist, we invented it. Skin colour is as arbitrary as eye colour or muscular build or ear shape. There maybe common traits amongst people who migrated together to different parts of the world but that doesn't mean they are a different race. Despite the fact that race doesn't exist (not that differing attributes of people aren't real) people still discriminate against black people. So the same way you said being gay is a concept, being any particular 'race' outside of one human race is also a concept. Also there are studies that show gay peoples brains are different to straight https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

@Bodigger So what are the policies exactly, is it tax cuts for all those different areas?

@Bodigger What policies do you think are really attractive? Can you give maybe like 5 top ones

@annonnimm32 There's no biological basis for race either- https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

A little thought experiment as well, imagine this was 50-60 years ago and someone wanted to have this same debate about black people. As in literally your post but replaced with black - How does this sound to you?

So what you can do is look at this critically. The main source of this is vaccines and the Ted talk where he talks about 'depopulation'. Look at both these things and come to your conclusion, as in look at the safety of vaccines, how many lives it saves or damages. There's a vaccine court in america so that's a good start point. Keep in mind infinite waters and teal Swan etc do not have more information than you have access to, there's no secret papers that they have, so any conclusions that have been drawn is either from their research which you can also do or from there 'intuition'. I think the problem with a lot of these younger spiritual people is that they aren't fully awake but they have their identities wrapped up in a spiritual life. They have many blind spots but because they've got such large followings they speak with a certainty on subjects that they don't really know about. Also keep in mind a lot of 'new age' spiritual people who are usually green, are quite dogmatic on veganism, natural cures etc so they are automatically against modern medicine, specifically vaccines. A large amount of these guys audience are these types and so they would definitely turn them off if they said vaccines aren't that bad. I'm not sure how calculated it is, but it's definitely a factor. Another thing is you will notice enlightened beings like adyshanti, mooji, sadhguru not talking about conspiracy theories, if they address the situation its in a completely different way. This isn't to say the younger guys don't have value, they do, but they also have a lot of blind spots. I don't advise following anyone unquestioningly but would be even more alert with infinite waters et al

I do find it quite strange that someone can really support trump but then also be on this forum and listen to Leo's more spiritual content. Im not saying it shouldn't happen I just don't get how you can hold the belief that trump is high consciousness having been exposed to higher consciousness. Following from @Parththakkar12 I agree that he can seem more authentic then normal politicians, I hope this will give some impetence to politicians that you actually have to be an authentic human to get elected, it can't be an act anymore, which is has been for a while. I would say Obama had a more authentic feel as well. Obama made a point that he was painted as some extreme left president, which is way he got a lot of hate which made the pendulum swing too far which meant when it swung back it was gonna be someone who was perceived to be the opposite of Obama, hence trump. In reality Obama is a lot more center left

@RendHeaven The question wasn't about harm it was specifically about the lies that he tells as that's a lot more easier to measure - https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Raising consciousness, I truly believe the change has to come from inside of everyone, it's a massive job as well

Your reality is fascinating

The idea of marriage is a construct, it hasnt always been there and many cultures currently and in the past have had different forms of marriage. Contemplate your questions but truly imagine you were gay, as in you feel exactly the same way towards guys as you do currently toward girls, see what answers you come up with

Why is the automatic assumption that everyone is just watching cnn and repeating it on here? People can have independent well thought out views and AND come to a conclusion you dont agree with. What youre doing is projection and a very weak argument bro, if you want to make any kind of argument you should aim to prove that he doesnt lie, not resort to an ad hominem attack

I think he sees it as something within the rules of the game, so actual truth for him is not really a consideration, he wants to achieve certain things and will use whatever means is available for him to do so. If you look at the people that were running his campaign like Roger Stone he is more upfront about the manipulation he does and is quite proud of it as well (check his netflix doc). Trump as the front man cant be that upfront but hes hinted at it many times. Im not sure exactly where trumps line is, i dont know if he would kill someone etc but we've seen that within his rules misinformation, framing things in a certain way and lying are all allowed. If you look at his family history his older brother killed himself because he didnt fit into the cutthroat reality that his dad had created. For Trump it couldve been s survival mechanism that he had to be this win at any cost person, he seems anchored to that belief. Add in to that Trump is not a particularly talented or intelligent person, he would have to do sneaky things to become successful. Just my perception of it anyway

True creation tends to come from a place of no thought and flow state, so i think creating music is an ideal outlet for this. If you ever hear the stories of classic songs, the artists always say things like 'it just came to them', so music can be something that comes from some place other than your conscious mind, obviously theres manufactured music that usually takes from other popular songs and trends, but something original is true creation. Regardless of the genre or content i think this can be the case, for example depressing music could be whats truly in that artist or violent music the same thing. So yeah keep doing what your doing

You could look at evidence for this, there are many people in the world that have all those things, try and workout whether they're truly happy. Or look at those who once seemed happy in that situation but have since renounced that life. Someone like Russel brand has had that kind of journey for example. There are quite a few that commit suicide even though they have that situation so that's another thing to consider

@zeroISinfinity No one can really tell you, if I tell you it will just conjure more imagination in your head. This is solely an experiential thing, if you are completely present in the moment you will experience it. But it is difficult and we're not used to this state, it is our natural state without illusion though. If I tell you something you can do you'll be trying to arrive at inaction from action so obviously that can't work. You can practice meditation and just observing your thoughts as they arise, not questioning and not getting attached to them. Mooji has some guided meditations that might help you with this. Just to ask, have you ever had a moment where you were completely present, this could be something you love doing and you got completely caught up in it and after realised you hadn't had a thought for a while?

It's not so much that there's no 'you' it's more like you can't be what you think you are. You wouldn't say your thoughts are necessarily true or everything you think exists but your idea of 'you' only exists in your thoughts. You can't be your thoughts if you're able to observe your thoughts and you can't imagine what you truly are because that will also be a thought. Another thing is that you don't even choose to think, the thoughts are just happening, if you could choose to think where did the thought come to choose to think? So you really only exist as awareness, most of your body just functions by itself. Your heart beats itself, all your organs function by themselves, your blood pumps by itself, you even breath automatically most of the time. So the only thing you might say you have control is thoughts but like I pointed out, you dont. So where are you? If you look into neurology they describe the conscious mind as the part that thinks it's the star of the show but it's not at all. Your sub-conscious mind really pulls all the strings, just when you're awake and aware you think it's you, but that is just a thought. So contemplate the awareness that you are

I posted a similar thread last week Basically it's fear that keeps us from realising what we've got and limits growth

Haha Ive felt that before. you can listen to what you want, it's just once you become more present and build up your awareness, naturally certain music won't appeal to you anymore. I still listen to rap if I want that energy, usually at the gym or if I just want to hype myself up. But I don't live in that energy if that makes sense. I actually found myself listening to more older music like motown and soul. For you it might be something different. There's no rules to this shit, just be present and see where that takes you. Also there's loads of conscious rap or more soulful rap, check out tribe called quest, old but good

So basically you dismiss someone out of hand because of your pre-conceived notion about them, yet if someone says something you agree and matches your story like Mikovitz you take what shes saying as truth automatically. If what he is saying is true, with which hes backed up pretty much everything and countered all of her points with real evidence, what the hell would you even need to truly consider the other side? Please keep in mind if anything Mikovitz said could be backed up id be more than happy to accept that its true, we dont seem to have the same understanding of truth, you seem to be anchored to a story.

Last questions, when you come across someone like me say who doesnt believe in most conspiracies, is the assumption that i havent looked into it enough, if i have it wasnt with an open mind and if i would only open my mind and look into it fully i would come to the inevitable truth that a lot of conspiracies are true? Do you ever consider that i may have looked into it before or maybe even believed them previously, but after looking into them thoroughly and balancing both sides i came to the conclusion that there wasnt really anything to most of them and that even be the case in reality? Is that a possibility?