Sugarcoat

No self realization, or self dissolution, (I write them separately because maybe it’s possible to realize no self without dissolving the self, it seems like two things because in my case for example I’ve dissolved a lot of my self but haven’t realized no self) especially permanent, is pretty fucking radical . Let’s not pretend it’s not

Yea there could be various forms of awakenings. I am just sometimes interested in hearing people describe them more closely (if it’s possible) to see if I can draw parallels to my own experiences

How is that chasing definitions. I just asked because the sense of self is the sense of duality so if you realized infinity that seems to include some kind of seeing through/collapse (can be temporary) of the self. In my little experience . Like when I took 5 Meo the boundary between me and the rest got blurred

How you know where I’m at 🤣 I take no offense btw

@shree do you feel taking psychedelics helped you later have those moments sober? Was it a collapse of your sense of self?

How are your enlightenment experiences? What where they caused by?

@Leo Gura Ok tnx

What is higher vs lower state of consciousness? Is it a matter of more or less ego?

@Schizophonia 😂😂😂

“Increases my prolactin” are we thinking the same thing😏🍒 Thansk for the tip Ok I stop

Ok got it

@Leo Gura isn’t deep dreamless sleep UNconsciosuness? So it’s not a state of consciousness

They think they’re shooting for no self/enlightement but what they actually subconsciously want is a big fat ego boost to their spiritual ego to be able to say “look I’m enlightened”

@Schizophonia didn’t you say diary makes you autistic or something 🤣

I still wanna do more psychedelics. Maybe I’m wired differently

Wow hundreds of trips and you’re still not permanently dissolved? There’s no hope for us

What is that “death” you talk about?

I feel like you can do spirituality and all of that. Contemplation, meditation, psychedelics. And it all has a kind of mechanism, maybe a mechanism in the brain, how it affects the sense of self, and can contribute to breaking it apart (that’s the goal right? What else is there to do if you wanna see the reality instead of breaking the self? But the thing is, what happens is that “spirituality” then turns into a world view, ideas and beliefs you hold. It turns into an attachment of your ego, you identify as spiritual person. Your worldview in your mind shapes your view of the world like a mental filter, so you see through your own mental filter. the trick is that it’s precisely THAT you want to BREAKTHROUGH. That’s kinda what happened to me. I meditated and saw how “spirituality” was a world view I held attached to my ego, so that layer of my mind/ego dissolved upon seeing that. So today I could do spirituality , but it would be without the attachment to ego, it would be “pure” so to speak.

Thanks .

Then I know who to write to if I ever need some info … for now ima just keep working on trying to become independent from my family

Ofc you know you hippie Im just a lone wolf

Yea then it’s a matter of finding them. Or just fuck it and do it alone

Or better because they’re Christian ima say I’m trying to tap into Christ consciousness

Yea exactly. If I need a trip sitter I’d have to get to know someone

Thanks. Well I’d like to try more of it but I live at my parents and they keep an eye on my transactions so I have to be sneaky somehow.