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I can be awake while my body is asleep during sleep paralysis. Also the mind is kind of in a dreamy/half asleep state too while I’m conscious. I have had spiritual experiences during sleep paralysis. But I guess it’s not the same as what you mean. But if you are aware of deep sleep doesn’t that go against the very definition of what sleep is? Sometimes I cannot really tell what state of consciousness I am in. I have had profound , all altering permanent shifts in my life. But I can’t pin point what changed. It’s like I can’t tell if I’m just experiencing a human ego as emptiness, awareness, or if I’m stuck in the illusion. Some seem to make non duality and no self synonyms. Meanwhile others talk about how there can be a sense of self while one is enlightened simultaneously Maybe me having doubts is a sign I’m still in the illusion. Because I heard someone say something I like : “non duality is this moment, without the doubt about it” Do you mean when we are aware of a rock it’s like it is aware of itself? It doesn’t sound scary to me It seems I can for example stop thinking for a very brief moment if I focus my attention on a sensory experience intensely. I can also control a thought. Like right now I could make myself think of a pink elefant But when I do think usually, it feels like the thoughts just come by themselves, being generated by my brain. Also I feel my sense of self is just here. Not something I am doing

Is that some mystical state one can reach? Well I feel awake, as the person. I thought that was illusion? I’m having a hard time isolating a sense of awareness that is beyond the self How is it fundamental to rocks etc? They aren’t conscious You seem to implicitly say that all there is , is what occurs in our present experience, thus you say consciousness comes first. I have been thinking about that. I don’t know what’s true in that regard. I think I would need a deep insight into reality to know Well the sense of separation is not something I chose to create. It’s just how reality seems right now from this perspective. I can understand how it can act like a veil. I don’t really get this but it’s ok. Just a detail

“State of being awake” awake as in not sleeping or enlightened? I am aware of my surroundings. It’s fundamental to being human. But it’s dual to me. I am aware of my surroundings as separate from me. How is this truth?

Why call it consciousness?

Are you able to just shit?

But then is that the same as saying that a tomato is the same substance as consciousness? Then we can’t use any relative concept

So the awareness the person has is the same as reality altogether?

I can kinda relate. I have experienced flow of energy upwards in my body up to my skull like a release. Also a lot of energy felt flowing during sleep paralysis. Also having visions of the crown chakra.

Yes I understand. Enlightenment won’t necessarily lead to an understanding of the brain/mind (maybe they are relative concepts) Thanks for your answer! I resonate with what you write here on the forum, you seem genuine In my own life, I kinda have noticed how it’s my mind that creates or at least contributes to my sense of self. And it seems it’s the brain that produces the mind. And how it’s like also an energetic structure And I relate so much to what you say about the energetic tension! I have not experienced a ~total~ loss of self, but I have experienced a gradual weakening of the self, a kind of dissolution of some of the layers to it. And the softer it got, the less tension in the body and mind, it’s actually crazy! I felt it like energetic knots, particularly in abdomen for example. I do feel though that my brain/mind still does this activity of upholding the self, why it does that, must be just how it’s designed to do, idk If enlightenment is to do with the brain, then things that could rewire the brain such as meditation and psychedelics maybe can increase the likely hood of the self dropping…. Just my 2 cents

Thanks

Ok cool because you write very elaborate

@Xonas Pitfall Do you write your posts yourself or use ai?

Yea it’s like I have stereo type in my head how some US women are but I haven’t encountered it in Sweden Also I don’t meet a lot of people so it’s hard to make conclusions

Omg have we became a joke on the forum @Schizophonia

Do you think the brain is involved in enlightenment?

You have developed a strong mindset then. Good for you

Good for you … Even if life for most isn’t like religious hell people go through a kind of hell still. Chronic diseases etc

Didn’t you just describe your life as constant suffering? Sounds like hell to me

If consciousness/awareness is reality then what do we call the personal consciousness/awareness that the person possesses and is aware of itself (subject) and the world (object)?

What am I according to that radar? You can probably smell my self from a mile away

I don’t meet many people but for example in high school (I’m still young so it’s not too long ago) I went to a high school which required high grades to enter, and I saw many women I’d consider pretty mature, not non emotional like me but somewhat balanced. Maybe it’s a difference depending on education level you go to Im going to uni soon so there I’ll see more women…. I’ll see what I see

lol what kind of women are you guys interacting with. Where are these ultra emotional ungrounded women you talk about. The women I’ve met in my life seem pretty balanced. I’m a woman and I’m stoic asf. Detached from most things, even human relations. I know I’m rare but I feel this ultra emotional woman y’all talk about is like a minority who is easy for you to attract or something because you come off as her polar opposite when you play your little “game” of subtle manipulation trying to come off as masculine. Just admit you attract unstable women LOL

I’ll have to explore those substances more to grapple this

Would you say the negative experience is because there’s still some ego left that is reacting and resisting its dissolution or is “the void” just scary in itself even if the self is gone in that moment(or as you’d call it “open”)

Maybe he has spiritual wisdom and has had plenty of temporary glimpses but maybe isn’t permanently enlightened. With Krishnamurti he seems to have good understanding of the mind and fear. What state of consciousness he’s in on a daily basis I don’t know