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Sounds like a limiting belief to me Idk but I stopped meditation several years ago and I lost nothing . Maybe try something else?

This doesn’t make sense to me. It sounds like there would still be a sense of self left that feels real and important and is reacting to something negatively thus not having realized it (not saying I have) but just kind of reacting to some idea in their mind or something idk but my experience of my myself and others is deeper than just something that can be shaken by making such a consideration. I could sit and contemplate what you said and it wouldn’t change the fact that when I’m around my family I have some sense of presence about myself and them.

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Now we getting into cringey territory but hey since you asked ? Well the center of the visualizations being my ideal self, in relation to others Now don’t ask me why since I don’t fully understand the mechanisms of it myself although I have some theories There’s a term “maladaptive daydreaming” which is what some call it when this tendency to daydream interferes with functioning it was a bit dysfunctional like that in the past but I can say before my awakening experience I would resist this impulse to daydream/visualize (it’s an impulse not really a conscious decision like “let’s visualize”) because I saw it as a waste of time . But then after the shift I noticed how it did something special to my state so I embraced it fully and have experienced profound healing and change in default state since . So it does something I can say for sure but I would say it works best when it’s an ~impulse~ one has, not some conscious decision regarding the music . It can be all kinds of music. Everything from afrobeat to slow ballads

Was just thinking something along those lines

@framu Oh ok. Yea it’s usually very vivid just like you said. But I have always had strong visual thinking skills I believe so maybe that contributes probably. Didn’t know it was connected to those things you mean the chakra also? I totally agree with it switching off the fear and resistance! I don’t do scripting but I tend to visualize to music I’ve naturally just done it all my life and it does just that like pure magic. Once again don’t understand fully the mechanisms. And I agree it’s not that it guarantees the exact outcome but more about it creating a better foundation for you to build from and go after what you want. Like those methods in your analogy being a foundation for better outcomes in general

It is possible to dissolve that dense fearful “barrier” that is social anxiety without psychedelics but it requires intense ~attention~ to it and all that it is associated with. So I’m guessing maybe usually you’re strongly identified with it but then with psychedelics you become more conscious of this fear aka you’re more separate from it and see it for what it is so that allows it to dissolve and flow through undisturbed . So this is kind of the goal so if you occasionally go into social situation without psychedelics pay full attention to this fearful barrier and all of its associations. So how does it make you behave (maybe looking away from people, changing your body language to more tense), what thoughts and images are associated with it, what limiting/false beliefs are associated with it. Just tracing it constantly live in real time and noticing how it expresses itself and you might naturally find sort of counters to it like if you notice you compulsively look away you might push yourself too keep eye contact or if you tense up you might relax your posture or if you notice beliefs you have that put pressure on yourself you might loosen that etc etc basically slowly but surely breaking this barrier apart by breaking apart all the things keeping it alive. Because social anxiety can sometimes be more of a breaking down rather than building something up because idk bout you but for me it was underneath this fear “tension barrier” I call it I could sense my own social effortless flow aka authenticity but couldn’t access it like there was a “block” the self love part hm j guess love is opposite of fear so without fear you’d just be natural and authentic so likable usually yea

I have no clue about the pineal gland I haven’t read about it. Anything about it connected to this? Some of it has. Yet with anything that comes true I just keep visualizing all that hasn’t. It’s an impulse not a conscious decision, which is actually when it works the best in my experience. What I have found is that it’s not so much about the contents of the visualization but it’s what it does immediately to your state and your energy (a very strong “uplift” ) that is the primary benefit of it. And by engaging in it more and more, this positive change in your state goes from being just a temporary effect to permanently changing your default state. And here I mean on an energy level, physical health level, emotional level mental clarity, etc. At least for me. A couple of days ago I accidentally stumbled across this video talking about how visualization has effects down on the genetic level. Very interesting and supports my direct experience of it. Essentially what I’m getting from all of this is that it puts you in a state that is more conducive to getting what you want, so that’s one aspect of the law of attraction part of it I’m guessing https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvNn2loNwAz/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Yes! You hit the nail with this one! Totally how I would reason myself ❤️

All I know from direct experience is that visualization especially to fitting music for some reason is extremely powerful it’s like a cleanse of the whole system

Cheetah for me too

Mm it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes because as the mind is less “dense” (which psychedelics seem to do idk tho haven’t tried) it seems more subtle things can be experienced more strongly but it’s actually just that there is less overall noise and more openness if its able to connect to your sober experience then I guess it’s helpful otherwise it’s just temporary effect. But ultimately for me I kinda saw how this social anxiety was so independent that even the attachment to something as “common sense” as the idea that you need to push yourself into social situation to overcome it, is actually just creating friction within you and contributing to maintaining this “barrier” .

I see!

Why do you believe that is? Because I feel the same

if it was that simple to get out of it I would’ve been out a long time ago ?

For most of my life. I have been very aware of my own mind. I have always had an extremely strong visual thinking ability for some reason. It got to the point where it seemed that the only thing that I had any grasp on was my mind. imagine walking around and feeling like you have no access to physicality everything you know is like your thoughts and outwardly projected mental projections especially on your body but ever since my awakening experience this April. I discovered this ~self corrective tendency~ of this human vessel that has allowed for profound healing like never before and it’s like all these mind-layers, in particular on my body associated with my sense of self have dissolved one by one like bricks of domino like what the hell life is no longer just mental projections For example this morning I danced and it was like my body was an ~actual physical entity~ that I experienced in this light, complete, smooth way and not just this pile of heavy mental projections weighing it down I have been trying to access this for years and now I got it is this how normal people live? They just feel like they have a real physical body it’s not like dense layers of their mind projected onto it standing in the way Damn i wonder sometimes maybe this is also like another mind-layer waiting to be dissolved but then it’s like naaah this can’t be this is way too tangible and stable for that to be the case also I’m very familiar with lowkey feeling like everything is my mind so it’s not really scary to me (although this is much preferable) so I’ll just bask in this new found physicality while it lasts if it does

Prior to my shift. The way I see it, the mind seems to have many layers to it that are more or less “detached” and and reflect the state of the rest of the system. So for example when I was younger, there seemed to be a lot of blocked energy in my system, so the layer of my mind that I had access to and was aware of was a reflection of that and I was operating from that level of my mind. I was attached to this mind and engaging it more and more throughout my life because it seemed to get me where I wanted. So it got until that point where it almost completely dominated my experience of reality, both as this stream of thoughts and as these mental projection/filter/layers whatever. It was weighing my entire system down, actually very unhealthy but I believed it was helping me. So after my shift where there was this natural surrender, it allowed for healing and untangling of my entire system, both energetically, physically, mentally etc, so it’s all wayyyy more balanced now. My post had a touch of humor to it. I don’t mean I am back to “normal”. Or like most people seem to experience life. Quite the opposite, my life is wayyyy more “spiritual” and wacky now haha So what you mean might not be what I’m referring to although you can feel free to share!

Actually not my first clear memories of my own experience of myself and reality as a child was not quite pleasant. I believe I was around 10 or so when I started to become aware of it, but basically I had this experience of being “sucked into my head”. The external world seeming very distant and me being detached from it somehow. This was pretty much my ~default~ state and very disturbing to me and I had this sense of unease in general. The closer to nighttime the more disturbing it was, which I believe is because during the day there is a lot of stimulation and everything is bright and “alive” so this state wasn’t obvious then and I was able to be happy during the day I have never found any explanation for what this was. Or anyone talking about having a similar childhood experience. I am very curious though! The closest I’ve gotten was perhaps on Reddit when someone said they had this “solipsism syndrome” experience where they described this “sucked into the head” experience.

Thank you! yea. In my teens I worked out regularly at the gym and weight lifted seriously. Nowadays I move in general, have started to dance more, but don’t have any routine.

@Jannes does it actually increase or does your awareness of it simply increase?

Sounds lovely

Yea I can see your point. It is hard to tell sometimes.

Had a good laugh ??

You met him?

Maybe consciousness allows that who knows