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Both these songs have a kind of powerful, personal development vibe to them:

Very cool sharing. Would you say there is awareness of this in everyday life, or it’s an understanding from peak experiences that you then carry with you into your normal experience?

It’s like there can be a temporary alteration in our sense of reality. It’s like in high school sometimes when I looked at my crush it’s like I could suddenly see him without my mental filter projected and suddenly the attraction dropped.

I don’t quite understand and I’d say it’s both on you and me. My brain is almost closer to a vegetative state than a human state, so that makes it hard to think clearly. And you wrote in a complicated way for the average person who hasn’t consumed certain theories you refer to , to understand Im kind of impressed when people are able to write these elaborate texts. It almost sounds like a fairytale to me though. Like you wrote this and you feel it’s all real, it’s like it’s a figment of the very substance of your reality, which is both pure reality, and then your own mental overlay on top of it, forming your perception of reality. Basically you have a story in your mind which forms your worldview and sense of reality. And it feels real. But it’s all maya Maybe if anyone spends a lot of time ruminating on something they’ll be able to write such a text. Not down playing its quality though. I guess I don’t have a lot to say pertaining to the content of the text. I can say though that it’s so deeply wired into the normal human to seek intimacy and social connection, so it’s normal for there to be neurotic tendencies in regards to that. And one doesn’t have to fully heal before entering a relationship, if that’s an idea someone has, it’s okay to be your messy self while entering a relationship. Your neurosis might worsen the quality of your relationship yes, but there’s always the potential to develop alongside your partner, instead of forcing yourself to be single until you fully heal (not that you have that idea). Also I think what we kinda want is to access a kind of effortlessness in our personality. We don’t wanna feel like it’s an effort to be us. But it can feel like it, if we have a bunch of ideas about how we should be and insecurities it can block that natural flow. So it takes some work to undo that. Maybe one can try to drop ideas of how one should be to get in touch with a deeper flow I’ll give it a reread to maybe understand better

So you’re interested in altered states is what I’m getting

But there’s a difference in that for you it’s sensed that the self isn’t real?

Alternative medicine

Sometimes we ask questions on platforms not because we necessarily seek an answer, but because we are drawn to these places because of the people here, and as a form of self expression. You seem pretty clear where you stand in this. But I’d suggest pay attention to yourself if you feel drawn to places like this forum because that could suggest you have a craving (or even a need) for social interaction but that the ones you have irl is just not with the right people, hence unfulfilling. You can also have a craving without it being a need, meaning that your mental health won’t be worse off without it. That’s where I stand with socializing. I’m a bit of an alien. Most people are wired in a way they naturally need a degree of socialization, they would go crazy alone. You really have to dig deep into yourself. Do YOU need socialization, irregardless of what the science says that the brain needs, or what people here says is needed for development. Even if something has an effect on the brain, it might not be significant enough to have an effect on your conscious experience, hence it can be ignored. Also, craving/needing friends for “egotistical needs” like your own development isn’t wrong. People have friends to fulfill their own needs. Developmental needs are also needs. Having friends to learn more about yourself, to grow, to develop emotionally, spiritually, it’s all acceptable ways of relating to people. It might be different and extra self centered but it doesn’t make it wrong. The other person is also getting something out of it. Also pay attention to if you engage in “social” behaviors in your brain, let’s say if you find yourself talking to yourself, imagining debates, imagining convos. It might suggest a social craving/need So basically id say the vast majority needs a degree of socializing, be it from family, friends or a partner. It’s exceptionally rare to not need that. But you’re the only one that can find that out for yourself which category you fit in currently in your life

So maybe you’re just like everyone else except you resonate with non duality? Then you’re like me too

@Keryo Koffa The doctors gave me anti psychotics maybe you need them more than me😏

Are you sure this is a direct knowing rather than just having listened to non dualists talking and then adopting their sayings subconsciously and it starting to seem like you got it for real?

Cool. Was it a specific moment a shift happened? So would you say enlightenment is like everything is exactly the same it’s just that the realness of the self drops? But the sense of self is still there, just not feeling absolutely real, meaning the non dual nature of all shines through it

Spirituality that turns outwards instead of primarily inwards. One that identifies as spiritual instead of dissolving that very layer of identity.

Do you have a sense of self? Like do you wake up in the morning and feel “I am *insert your name”. Do you feel located behind the eyes? If not, sure speak in absolute terms, but if you answered yes, hmmm isn’t the absolute only concept to you then? Or maybe you resonate deeply with it and think that’s enough for you to speak in those terms

Maybe in absolute sense it’s like that

You assume because you’re honest with yourself that you might not know what it is. People seek it though because it’s portrayed as the end of suffering and perhaps a lot of bliss

I’ll just let that be. Heh

And another question that came to my mind recently was “what does understanding lead to?” . Like are we all just running around in a language circle when we contemplate and discuss things, or is it actually leading to some valuable change in our life apart from the temporary satisfaction that some gain from mental understanding?

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It’s this without adding a layer or boundary to it with the mind ?

Yea I think I understand. For me context is most interesting in terms how we create context to this present moment using the mind. In fact we have never experienced for example the country we live in, which is like a context to our location (if I’m using the term correctly).

What we can know is when there is a sense of self present, or at least that’s how it is for me. And we can believe that it must be possible to transcend it.

I shouldn’t have made that joke. My apologies My mission to clear my name on the forum is not going so well To give an original thought (it’s not original it’s probably what the materialists think) : I think consciousness is limited and dual. It’s always conscious of ~something~ . Without the ~something~ to be conscious of, there’s just absence, and in that is no consciousness. Consciousness arises when there’s something (duality) to be conscious of. And it seems it also simultaneously requires a subject, that possesses that consciousness.

Probably a cool book Well if context is the space then it’s not the objects in it according to your logic or maybe I’m not getting you there Maybe I’m too much in a vegetative state mentally to comprehend

In this. Arising in this, as this. All is this. There is only this. Nothing but this. This is everything. There’s just this — Some non dualist with 50 subscribers on YouTube holding monthly zoom meetings where the audience is like seniors who are anxious about approaching death and trying to escape through non duality