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What do you mean boredom

You mean because transcending avoidance of suffering would entail ending the self so that also ends the other? You have to tell me because I need to know how 😭

I personally have transcended the seeking of pleasure as a human, but not the avoidance/aversion to suffering. Seems to me you need a total self wipeout for that latter part…. Let me know if you ever transcend that

But maybe you wanna live in your little bubble and not pop it I know I just wrote something that came to mind. It was insecurity in my far past

The only thing I can draw similarity to my experience is when I tried 5 Meo dmt it was like that. It’s like the border between you and world melts and it can feel directly scary Idk but if you feel like “I really wanna explore it” then maybe you just have to go through the fear and hopefully it will subside

Wow that’s so cool you’re able to do that. Could you describe more closely how it feels when you start to “dissapear” ? Are you sure that fear is linked to when it starts happening, or are you having fear about the mere IDEA of it happening? Like is it a mental fear about how you imagine it’s gonna be, or is it more a fear that arises in that exact experience directly? I don’t have good advice rather than just sit with it….

It def rises….

Right

You are onto something. I almost wanted to write a post about how enlightenment can lead closer to a vegetative state. I have found myself to almost be in one. So I struggle to reply here. I’ll just leave it at that

Maybe when some speak of solipsism they speak in terms of the personal consciousness being the only one, so it has different meaning than what you said

I see so it’s like it needs a process beyond the mind: like a breakthrough beyond the mind, a drop in the self, etc, for there to be direct knowing of something that later can be conceptualized but most importantly it’s direct awareness of it

😂😂It was kinda spiritual, like I awoke to how it was all in my mind

@Razard86 Yea it is rare to encounter people with such open minds to be willing to investigate these things. It’s important so you don’t automatically resist it. I have done self inquiry and watching the self/investigation but I haven’t been able to discover those things for myself without using drugs, EXCEPT that I have developed a deep resonance with some descriptions of the absolute . It’s almost like there’s something in me that knows I’m in a “dream” but that doesn’t allow me to break out of it. Because all I know is the dream weirdly enough. But I can intuit the non dual stuff. Like the veil is thin yet still robust, like how spider web is tough to break but it’s so thin lol yea society is def not ready for these things! Most people go about the their lives not questioning if they’re even real or if the world is real. They just take it for granted

Both these songs have a kind of powerful, personal development vibe to them:

Very cool sharing. Would you say there is awareness of this in everyday life, or it’s an understanding from peak experiences that you then carry with you into your normal experience?

It’s like there can be a temporary alteration in our sense of reality. It’s like in high school sometimes when I looked at my crush it’s like I could suddenly see him without my mental filter projected and suddenly the attraction dropped.

I don’t quite understand and I’d say it’s both on you and me. My brain is almost closer to a vegetative state than a human state, so that makes it hard to think clearly. And you wrote in a complicated way for the average person who hasn’t consumed certain theories you refer to , to understand Im kind of impressed when people are able to write these elaborate texts. It almost sounds like a fairytale to me though. Like you wrote this and you feel it’s all real, it’s like it’s a figment of the very substance of your reality, which is both pure reality, and then your own mental overlay on top of it, forming your perception of reality. Basically you have a story in your mind which forms your worldview and sense of reality. And it feels real. But it’s all maya Maybe if anyone spends a lot of time ruminating on something they’ll be able to write such a text. Not down playing its quality though. I guess I don’t have a lot to say pertaining to the content of the text. I can say though that it’s so deeply wired into the normal human to seek intimacy and social connection, so it’s normal for there to be neurotic tendencies in regards to that. And one doesn’t have to fully heal before entering a relationship, if that’s an idea someone has, it’s okay to be your messy self while entering a relationship. Your neurosis might worsen the quality of your relationship yes, but there’s always the potential to develop alongside your partner, instead of forcing yourself to be single until you fully heal (not that you have that idea). Also I think what we kinda want is to access a kind of effortlessness in our personality. We don’t wanna feel like it’s an effort to be us. But it can feel like it, if we have a bunch of ideas about how we should be and insecurities it can block that natural flow. So it takes some work to undo that. Maybe one can try to drop ideas of how one should be to get in touch with a deeper flow I’ll give it a reread to maybe understand better

So you’re interested in altered states is what I’m getting

But there’s a difference in that for you it’s sensed that the self isn’t real?

Alternative medicine

Sometimes we ask questions on platforms not because we necessarily seek an answer, but because we are drawn to these places because of the people here, and as a form of self expression. You seem pretty clear where you stand in this. But I’d suggest pay attention to yourself if you feel drawn to places like this forum because that could suggest you have a craving (or even a need) for social interaction but that the ones you have irl is just not with the right people, hence unfulfilling. You can also have a craving without it being a need, meaning that your mental health won’t be worse off without it. That’s where I stand with socializing. I’m a bit of an alien. Most people are wired in a way they naturally need a degree of socialization, they would go crazy alone. You really have to dig deep into yourself. Do YOU need socialization, irregardless of what the science says that the brain needs, or what people here says is needed for development. Even if something has an effect on the brain, it might not be significant enough to have an effect on your conscious experience, hence it can be ignored. Also, craving/needing friends for “egotistical needs” like your own development isn’t wrong. People have friends to fulfill their own needs. Developmental needs are also needs. Having friends to learn more about yourself, to grow, to develop emotionally, spiritually, it’s all acceptable ways of relating to people. It might be different and extra self centered but it doesn’t make it wrong. The other person is also getting something out of it. Also pay attention to if you engage in “social” behaviors in your brain, let’s say if you find yourself talking to yourself, imagining debates, imagining convos. It might suggest a social craving/need So basically id say the vast majority needs a degree of socializing, be it from family, friends or a partner. It’s exceptionally rare to not need that. But you’re the only one that can find that out for yourself which category you fit in currently in your life

So maybe you’re just like everyone else except you resonate with non duality? Then you’re like me too

@Keryo Koffa The doctors gave me anti psychotics maybe you need them more than me😏

Are you sure this is a direct knowing rather than just having listened to non dualists talking and then adopting their sayings subconsciously and it starting to seem like you got it for real?

Cool. Was it a specific moment a shift happened? So would you say enlightenment is like everything is exactly the same it’s just that the realness of the self drops? But the sense of self is still there, just not feeling absolutely real, meaning the non dual nature of all shines through it