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It should first and foremost be done from your own judgment

@No1Here2c Id say I agree with what you said. One could assess for oneself if one sees the possibility of going down a purely independent path, or if assistance through drugs and spiritual teachers could help. I think it’s wise to do both

It sounds great but you know why I’m hesitant

That’s great you’re able to focus on what you prioritize the most (consciousnesss)!

I’ve been on these two meds for over a year now. 5 mg olanzipine and 20 mg Prozac every day. Does anyone have something interesting to say or experiences to share about them? There are certain things in my current “personality” that I can’t tell for sure if it’s a side effect of the meds or how I am naturally, currently in my life.

I’m a little confused sometimes about makes people not end their life. It’s like, I’m not the only one who struggles, yet all people who struggle don’t get suicidal thoughts. There are even people going through worse than me who don’t consider suicide. Sometimes when my suicidal thoughts get stronger I can spend hours researching suicide methods. I even bought some things I could use to kill myself but I haven’t used them yet. Sometimes I feel “I could keep living through this” But then other times I feel, I have no will to keep fighting for life. I should just end it. It would be better So I don’t understand how other people don’t feel like this when they struggle. Am I extra weak? I mean I think I’m like the average person when it comes to how much I can tolerate. Or maybe not. I don’t know. I guess I just lack a strong enough reason to live Like some people have let’s say family they are attached to, and it keeps them wanna live. But I don’t have that, I don’t love anyone at all so I have nobody to live for. It’s like all I have is my own mind. Im stuck inside of this brain 24/7. All I have access to is a comforting thought that can give me some strength. But then my mind gives up and wants to end it all. It oscillates like that Edit: I should probably answer my own question. Why don’t I kill myself? Well mostly because my situation is not like absolutely unbearable yet, so I feel I can stand it for some time ahead. Also I am afraid of a failed attempt and the pain it can cause for example you could get permanent injury. Thats it mostly. Regarding the first point. I hear stories about people going through unbearable things, so they go through it even if it’s absolutely unbearable, I don’t know how they do. Suicide must have crossed their mind at some point

Wow retired at such young age! That’s cool. How though? If you don’t mind Yea drastic changes in our consciousness can feel scary. But as long as we somehow end up finding a way of stabilizing we should be fine

I think the sedative effect is what I’ve noticed primarily; but I don’t feel much need for it anymore in same way As long as you’re able to feel decent without meds you don’t need them

Thanks. Yes I see the value in meds and I think they’ve helped to calm down neurosis a bit. But then if you do natural inner work then ideally I want to try to taper down the meds as I don’t want them if I really don’t need them. Yes and the tapering down is done with approval from doctor and gradually. I will be meeting doctor in 6 months but I’ve been wanting to call them prior to suggest tapering down. I think I’ll call them tomorrow Yes healthy habits is something I try too. Like for example one evening I drank two cups of coffe and I felt a bit anxious that evening (more than usual) so if I’m not fooling myself: substances affect us in good and bad ways. So I wanna eat healthy and I’m open to natural supplements

Yes I think it’s best when meds are not relied on but used in conjunction with natural inner work. Then when you feel okay enough naturally the possibility of tapering off the meds is reasonable to consider

Cool thanks. I’ve been contemplating calling the doctors and asking if I can taper it down, and instead of taking the meds every day I’ll have them as a kind of “when needed” meds like some people do. But I just have this feeling the doctors are gonna say “you need to give it more time first” “you shouldn’t stop meds now that you feel better” (but I feel better mostly because of natural change)

I would taper them down any day but you need doctors approval first.

From my experience, the meds have only provided a kind of sedative effect to a certain degree. Which can be nice but I’ve improved my stress management and lowered my stress naturally so I don’t feel I need them anymore. So I’m like you in that regard I wanna be natural , but I forgot how it feels to be natural

You provided me with a laugh at least 🤣 You don’t take any meds at all?

This might be factor to you missing out. Because some girls might not be the ones to take initiative (even if you know each other). Or they just aren’t interested ~as of yet~ but would be open/ they could see your potential if you initiated something. Doesn’t have to be explicit , could be just some flirting and teasing. You could try it and if you notice it’s an exclusively, very clearly, “friendly” response from her then you could tone it down. Also trying to build a deeper connection, even if it’s just in friendly manner to begin with. Some friendships are more shallow then others, so by bringing the friendship deeper/stronger it could be stepping stone to something romantic. And how to do that id say it’s about getting in touch with your unique authenticity, because you’re more interesting when you’re yourself (if you’ve developed yourself to some degree). Also “owning” your interest in her (could be expressed platonically to begin with), so she can feel you like her and vibe with her deeper and that she isn’t just another shallow friend that you talk about university to. Just some thoughts. I’m not the most social myself so it’s hard for me too

I am in a somewhat similar boat. I’m very busy with uni and sometimes I don’t feel I have time to go to the store, look for ingredients, to then make these vegetarian meals that I’m striving to eat. So I end up just eating whatever is at home (omnivorous) I think, eating decently healthy should be priority no matter what, it’s easy to make something like rice and chicken. But I think it’s okay to focus currently on what is most important to you, and then when you’ve got that sorted down. When you feel like you have enough time and are efficient enough: then you can go ahead and work on your second most top priorities : in this case a certain desirable diet. That’s my mindset at least.

Do you ask them out or initiate something romantic, flirt etc?

Yea right. I can kinda relate to this. I can have this underlying attitude of feeling like I have to entertain the person (can be a potential friend), not bore them, seem interesting to them, in order to build a connection. But then I catch myself and I think to myself “I like this person, I’ll allow that to be the basis of this connection, simply expressing my liking for them”. I don’t have to fill in all the gaps with talking, silence is okay, it doesn’t mean the convo is dead, it’s just a part of my current character to be a bit silent sometimes. Entering a flow state helps me socially, sometimes when I have just met someone I might feel a subtle sense of “having to force the convo” to keep it going, but then if I manage to enter a flow state , the convo flows and I feel in touch with that part of me that likes them and is simply expressing myself and the liking for them. Because you don’t wanna sacrifice authenticity in trying so hard to win someone over

I can feel this sometimes How no matter what ideas my mind comes up with, it doesn’t quite “hit the spot” Sometimes it can almost feel like I don’t understand anything at all! Like no matter what my brain says, it doesn’t quite grapple anything exactly Non dual folks speak about how the nature of reality cannot be explained or grasped Im not in a “non dual” state right now, but I feel this facet of reality could be ~felt~ somehow even in every day life Like there’s something in this experience of reality that is too direct, too raw and pure, like pure existence - to be explained in words. And it’s just everyday life, doesn’t have to be non dual Ah

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Yes it’s wise to use your mind for what you find most important , in this case truth, instead of just being in monkey mind mode all the time.

I think shit testing is a subconscious thing , almost manipulation in some cases, where you’re trying to gather information about someone to asses them more accurately, especially if you’re having suspicions or if you have negative experiences in the past so you wanna be on the safe side. You might not wanna expose this to the other person so to not ruin the mood, so you do it in sneaky indirect way instead. I’m a woman and I’m not sure if I do shit testing, if I think about it, maybe if I’m unsure about a guy I might make jokes to him about him having “side chicks” , about him “only wanting one thing” or something of that sort, and the response could give me a clue. But if you like a person, and the vibe is well, you aren’t doing it with the intent to expose something bad in them, because you get the vibe they’re good, but you can’t always know that for sure so you might try to feel more sure by doing these “shit tests”. If I’m understanding you correctly Maybe I sound like a massive party pooper or something hahahahaah

Yea exactly I was actually thinking about that too, how we can’t assume what we perceive is the actual nature of reality, which probably many assume (like thinking they see things as they are and not being “filtered “ through the mind). So we can’t assume our experience as an absolute truth

The real wondering is important so you don’t get stuck in a mental idea and defend it at all costs but instead you’re genuinely interested in what’s the truth so you’re ready to reevaluate your ideas when experience doesn’t support them

I guess you mean asking questions that connect directly to one’s experience