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Literally the whole point of a spiral dynamics model is that it describes how human psyche evolves. Meaning, it suggest that this is how humanity is hard wired to progress. According to that, stage blue would happen with or without Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam happened because of stage blue. If those religions didn't exist, some other would, they are not essential. So if you were to stick to your position, you should reject spiral dynamics altogether and say that they are wrong, instead of cherrypicking stuff that suits you.

Sorry to brake it to you but stage blue didn't happen because of Jews or Jewish religion.

No. I am just asking you to elaborate on what do you mean by that. But I guess you didn't mean anything. It probably just rhymed well with what I've said so you decided to add it. Like I've already said before, there would be no Hamas if not for Israel and the US. It would have literally not been born into existence in the first place. And no, you shoukdn't equate regular Plaestinians with Hamas. Well now they are bombing them really hard. Lets see how this goes and if there won't be Hamas or something worse than Hamas in 10 years. Cause mass bombing is sooo effective when it comes to guerilla warfare. Works every single time...

@momo yeah, I agree

All wars are bullshit wars.

That's not what a defence against terrorists looks like. At best it is a completely disproportionate revenge. Even on this forum, Jewish people are admitting that they can't coexist with Palestinians so all of them need to be gone, that's called genocide. Here is the question. They have been bombing Palestine for years, did it help with the terrorists or did it make it worse? They are only giving birth to more terrorists by what they are doing. By saying "their own people" you basically equate Hamas to Palestinians, which is wrong. Yes, it is true that they are being opressed by Hamas from one side and Jews from the other. But one evil thing doesn't justify another evil thing. So I am not sure what's your point here. Care to elaborate? Would North Korea exist in its current forum if there was no USSR and the US?

No, it's because they bring morality and ethics into the world.

It doesn't matter. You could live in the Neverland for all I care. I am trying to make you see what it's like to get kicked out of your house like that. You are not going to answer this question because you obviously wouldn't be okay with that. But as long as it happens to people you don't know, far far away, that's fine. Which is why I am calling you a hypocrite. Yeah, but I am not being a cold blooded hypocrite unlike you. Oh well, I guess you know better about all those crazy antisemitic people in Europe, burning Synagogues, while living in Korea, than I do, living in Europe. I am pretty sure, that more Jews died in Israel / Palestine than in Europe, in the last 70 years. And even more will die. So no, they are not safer there. Nothing, like I said there is nothing that can be done about it now. Israel might have had chance if they've spent those 70 years buiding dyplomatic relationships in the region and trying to promote prosperity instead of bombing and opressing people. Now we just need to wait for the time fix things. In a few hundreds years everything will be fine. Everything ends eventually. If I had to bet, it will probably end with Israel being gone, gone in a very violent way. Once western support withers away, they will be left alone with a whole region of enemies, and it doesn't Matter if they will take over all of the Palestinian land by then, it won't help them. Unfortunately, lots of people will have to die in the meantime, on both sides. All because some smart asses in the 20th century decided to play God. The same reason why you have Kim by the way. USSR and America decided to play God, using smaller countries as chess pieces. It's a shame you can't see that.

Ahahahahahhahah Sure, it's totally people's support, not Western weapons and money, not at all. Yeah, so irrelevant that your dyplomats feel the need to do a theater play with the yellow stars in the UN. But yeah, you would totally do fine on your own.

This can be said about Jews as well by the way. Why do they need Israel? They have so many other options. Nobody opresses Jews in America, nobody opresses Jews in Canada, nobody opresses Jews in Europe. President of Ukraine is Jewish, clearly he wasn't very opressed growing up. So many options to move. Why are they still bitching?

It's not okay, and it doesn't justify it, but it is to be expected. Like you would have to be retarded to not have seen things like this coming. And they will keep happening in the future. No matter how much Israel bombs palestine. Even if they actually succeed in completely taking over Palestine and moving the people to other Arab countries, like you are suggesting, it will still keep happening. It will keep happening until Israel is gone. And there is nothing that can be done about that and you need to be an idiot to not expect that.

I am not being emotional or aggressive I am just trying to make you see the palestinian point of view. Because that's literally what happened to them. One day, I come to your house with a gun come and tell you to either get out and live in Japan or die. Is that okay? By avoiding this question you are being a hypocrite. Oh right, justifying crimes with other crimes. Classic. And oh sorry, how dare they bitch about it for 70 years. This is honestly such a priviliged, entitled position. You can only have it because you live in a comfy, first world country that isn't affected by any conflicts. That's why I am saying, answer my question. Why don't you move to Japan, or China, or North Korea, or whatever and give me your house. What's the big deal? Yeah, but guess what, nobody perecutes Jews right now in Europe. So why do they keep whining about it (that's your argument right, why are they still bitching???). And ironically, Jews are way safer in Europe than in Israel. Who could have thought that placing your country in the middle of a hornets nest, because a fairytail book told you to do so is a bad idea...

I would like to see what kind of mentality you would have after growing up in a warzone for 20 years. Are you serious? Maybe because it was just 70 years ago?! Maybe because some of those people or their children are literally still alive??? Do you expect them to not hold grudge and resentment for what has happened? And that's not to mention that they have been continuously oppressed ever since. So basically according to you, if I have enough firepower, I can go and kick all South Koreans or wherever you are from out of their country and set up my own state there. And there should be no issues since there are lots of Asian countries you can go live in. Seriously, why don't you pack your bags right now and go live somewhere to Japan. I am living in your place starting tomorrow. There is no issue right? You are basically the same people anyway. What? You don't want to? Well, I guess I will just shoot your whole family then and take your place anyway. My grandma lived there 2000 years ago, so it's a kind of sentimental geographical location to me, you know.

What you are missing is that it's kind of hard to develop as a society and elect a good leadership while getting bombed. Who cares who lived there 2009 years ago? Can I kick you out of your house because my grandma lived there 2000 years ago?

That's not what I was talking about. I meant that it wouldn't exist in the first place.

Worrying about what others think about your clothes is not masculine.

It's actually really interesting to see for how long it will hold. I wonder if there will still be Israel by the end of the 21st century.

There would be no Hamas. Like it literally would not exist if not for the US's and Israel's fucked up foreign policy.

That's how public forums work. You express your opinion and some people are going to argue against it. I talk with who I want to talk.

You are literally the same as them, just one the opposite side of the fence. No, what you are doing is simply protecting your POV. Out of all the conversations you have engaged in about this topic, can you pick one "pro palestine" and one "israel critique" comment that you agree is valid? ?

I just find it astounding how you blindly support Israel so much, throwing all objectivity out of the window. I would get it if you supported Israel, while also being open to pointing out their issues and admitting that they share responsibility for what's going on, but no, you decided to just pick one side and idealize them. I've read through a lot of the counter arguments people have been providing to you, some of them were good, some of them were bad, but there were literally dozens of them. And you haven't bothered to entertain even a single one out of them or admit that it has some truth to it. In this regard you are similar to MAGA people, treating Trump as their Jesus. You even have a signature with loud slogans, acting as a proverbial MAGA car sticker, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcAHSXa91sk

@Leo Gura it's the same for me on chrome based browsers, both on pc and mobile. Firefox is fine for some reason.

Depends on how much of a cu** you are

Like what?

@NoSelfSelf what makes you so passionate about it?