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Hate is limited Love. Stupidity is limited Intelligence. The first perspective is from a survival point of view, the second of a non survival (unbiased) point of view.
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Not sure if I understand exactly what you said. It is the goal to get stuck in them. Or do you mean that you shouldn't get stuck in them in the sense that you shouldn't see them as the end goal? But when you say it still has value for everyday human existence, why do you not want to do it, you still have an everyday human existence for the most part I would guess. Or is it too much of a struggle for you to take it seriously because you have seen magnitudes above that? So is human spirituality the best that human can practically do or can it be reinvented? So you think they actually locked in the fantasy and not the higher state of consciousness? Well there are false promises everywhere. Magic weight loss, magic money making, etc. why would spiritual gurus be different especially when there are no objective ways to tell if they are right or not. So that makes sense I haven't seen that clearly.
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With all your comments in this thread I have the impression that you have a very low opinion of these states of consciousness. It seems to me that you try to be the realistic counterweight and I appreciate that because it's easy to get soaked into these fantasies. But on the other hand I think you might discredit these states too much. While they might not be the highest and deepest states or all perfect states there is the possibility that they could give people a huge jump in life quality. In our society where so many of us suffer deeply/ are super depressed/ mental health crisis etc. it seems a bit negligent to discredit these states like that. Even if they reduced our everyday suffering by 50% that would be an insane improvement for society. You also dont really offer an (edit: spiritual) alternative. High awakenings are great but as you said they dont really help with everyday life that much. Just as a side point: I think with your spiritual journey you built a huge spiritual confidence/ ego, feeling invincible and superior to everybody and that ego got crushed when you had personal issues recently because it made you feel weak and small like everybody. Just want to point out the possible trap that your ego might have a backlash which shows itself in discrediting other teachings because they reveal weaknesses in your (edit: spiritual) teachings. (covering everyday life quality)
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Creativity: Ordinary consciousness is not much creative because things happen in a way that are related to each other; meaning manifestation means less creativity, because it disconnects things which aren't that closely connected to each other. All of reality is absolute creativity because it combines things that are the least connected with each other.
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A Dalton like idea: Two friends. One gets satisfaction in life by helping the other. The other gets satisfaction from life by helping his friend get satisfaction in life by acting like he is helping him.
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Just saw some window color on a window yesterday and this insight came to mind. Reality was filled out with window color in that moment because I had the attention on that. It was so weird that this was a conscious state rather then whatever I contextualized it in before. How can everything be window color for a moment, how's that possible? Because reality is infinite and therefore every subset can be infinite? How's this infinite world ended? It's also so interesting to see how different reality can be. For people who see reality as a really stable thing it's hard for them to wrap their mind around that. For them they think reality is a certain way with few tweaks and varieties. Like eating a salad and sometimes it has tuna, sometimes eggs and sometimes kidney beans in there but it always hits common ground. Well no you can experience color window consciousness and dragon scream consciousness and plush consciousness and shrill consciousness and cold consciousness and romantic consciousness. They are so different. It's funny when people think that their bubble of thinking is the entire world. Like how ignorant can you be to think that your little perspective is what reality is.
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I would like to create content that raises societies level of insights, love and consciousness. For that you have to make your understanding very clear and accessible. I thought about art. Mangas and films might be great for that as well. But exaggerated illustrations are great as well. It's very hard to create something like this I would imagine because your understanding needs to be actual and very clear.
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Jannes replied to Danioover9000's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
It's nowhere near the problem of the past of course but still a big thing I imagine. Even in more developed 1st world countries like Germany where I live it's still a problem. -
Imagine getting "rädert": So somehow I just bumped into an ancient dark part of history "Rädern". It was an extremely horrible act of execution. The victim got all of his bones of his limbs broken by letting an iron wheel fall onto it. After that either the injured victim got plaited into the wheel (which worked because of the broken bones) to die a slow and painful death because of the wounds or the victim got choked to death or guillotined. I am usually not a person who can graze from these inventions of violence. But somehow this stayed with me. The thought of getting my limbs broken, being in horrible pain that I probably couldn't even breath, being completely defenseless because I cant even move a thing anymore and then getting choked to death. What I find fascinating about that sort of torture is the consciousness state of intense letting go, of intense giving up. There is absolutely no way to escape. Imagine that your fighting spirit is so totally fucked up that you smile with your last bit of ear in your lunges. Somehow this touches me. (Although I do see the craziness of it. I am watching out for my mental health, maybe I am deluding myself lol.)
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The opportunity of asking god a question: Alan Watts talks about a thought experiment in which you could talk to god and ask him any question you want to ask. He says that it is difficult for us to find a question which is worth asking god. What we would ask is rather a questioning of "Oh WOW is this for real?". (Side point: This might be the place in which we can ask ourselves what the limits of our language are because god could give us all the answers, the only limit is our language in which we ask him.) But on the other hand every question you would ask god would be all the answers at once. Because every part of the universe is connected to everything else. Kant wanted to do a science a priori. Which means a science which entirely built on facts before empirical reasoning (because that could be flawed). Math is one of these sciences. Kant searched for more a priori things though because he reasoned that when he found a few a priori truths about reality he could make a bigger picture out of that which could be unshakably true (like math). He wasnt really that successful with finding a priori truths though. But now if we could have a real 100% true fact about empirical reality then from this point (theoretically) you could conclude all other facts about reality. If you get an almost 100% truth about reality (some delusion is probably always there) you could still expand from that point quite widely.
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Why would they cut it? No deeper reason for it.
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Yes I completely agree. I would add though that that still isnt truth. Some people confuse general consensus about things with actual truth. But those are entirely different things. That is missing in the video a bit. Of course. You can have systems with new numbers or different arithmetic operator and what not. Sometimes it's of use and sometimes not. Last is called pure math. Math without a purpose.
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Jannes replied to Jannes's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Most or all of us have a need for some sort of social group/ friends. But there is the cost of getting soaked into group think of course. So the question is how do minimize it or which kind of social groups put the least group think pressure on you? Dumb people because you dont buy into their ideas, smart people because they filter out dumb ideas, extroverted people, introverted people, punks, musicians, intellectuals, normies ... I honestly have no idea what would be best.
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It's still relative. You could change the axioms.
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What I fear I have to give up, if I want to reach god. 😢
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Feeling soft: To understand all is to forgive all. Nothing is wrong; just limited. Speaking to a Neonazi: I understand you, I love you, you are perfect. But I still need to put you in jail, because there are other perfect beings as well who are threatened by you. You cant ultimately beat fire with fire, but as an interim solution it is nessacary to a degree.
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What Is Actuality? What is Gaslighting? Self Love.
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@Rafael Thundercat I changed my mind, I dont think it is cringe anymore. He managed to built attraction by being very direct and ballzy and it worked because he made it unweird by becoming humoursly overly close which created enough space paradoxically. In his situation there is lots of nervousness for both parties which is why that humor is funny, it's hard for me to get watching it comfortably on my laptop. Edit: I actually like that one the most now haha.
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Haha they are so good, except the last one where the girl put in lots of effort if it wasnt staged.
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How do you get direct experience?
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I am studying to become a teacher or social worker and in my work environment there is a lot of respect less behavior of students, physical attacks, threats etc. I cant deal with that well at all. I was victimized a lot in mid school so I didn't learn how to handle myself and to be assertive in those situations. I definitely got enough steam and self confidence in me to learn the skill but I need practice. Because most of the times when I see these situations my mind just shuts down. I naturally dont have any ways to deal with it in my subconscious tool box. I become better at it as I go but I think it would be much better to learn these things in a professional environment. Do you have any experiences with courses, seminars.. ? Where you maybe in a similar situation and learned assertiveness somehow?
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A big obstacle as a philosopher is being carried away by group think. But you still gotta earn a living. So a job in solitude without much worries makes sense. A part time craftsman job is suited for that. In Germany at least craftsman get paid well.
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Not absolutely. There are beauty standards that every country has like symmetry of face and probably some other stuff because it reveals healthy genetics.
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People are like material: People are like material, like bricks, like mortar, like wood, like water... People are material in that sense that this material like any other material is what constructs reality. The everyday distinction between material and human is not actual. Thoughts, spirit, emotions are equal to a piece of meat in that sense that they are all constructed out of consciousness and therefore play in the same field/ web. While materials of reality can of course be different, the materialness connects all materials to one thing.
