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Bad selection of people to ask except Michael. @Schizophonia is an emotional anti vegan who likes to trigger. Leo relies mostly on meat because of his gut issues. Michael is the nutrition expert here. Anecdotally I was vegan for 3 years myself and didnt experience this super mental clarity. When I reintroduced vegetarian animal products I didnt experience a drop or increase in mental clarity either.

Yeah I thought about that too. But even if Peterson would be open to the possibility that higher truths can be experienced through psychedelics which it seems like - I saw a clip on Youtube - it's not certain that Leos experience was interpreted in the right way and Leos claims are so outrageous on top of that. And Leo doesnt really have an intellectual reputation which would be especially important in a conversation like this to make Leo seem a little more grounded. But also JP seems to be a serious thinker in certain aspects and he seems to have a soft spot for God which he needed to surpress to a large extend because of his intellectual persona. I think it's very hard to judge whether or not this conversation will be good.

I would be very interested to see Leo in a political debate as well because 1) Leos takes on the forum seem very intelligent (to me) I cant really critique them or see beyond them most of the time so I would like to see how strong they are in a debate situation 2) it makes Leo seem very grounded which would make the spiritual/ god part of the conversation seem more sophisticated for the average viewer. But I see how that can be counterproductive and a bad opportunity cost.

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Although I really liked him back in the day I needed to think about that for some time because its some time since I watched him and I inhaled all the criticism I saw about him on the forum. But I have got some points: - The way JP explains concepts of psychology through archetypes is epic and simple. - He helps to integrate stage blue values - JP to some extend is a very nuanced stage yellow thinker and this is not very common. I have listened to his takes on feminism back in the day and was amazed by his nuanced thinking where he crushed stage green opponents who couldn't think in that sort of detail. Not sure if I would agree with all of his takes nowadays but they were certainly sophisticated. Sucks that he has a stage green shadow and (because of) that his political takes are so bad as I think there is much potential in JP.

It's a spectrum. But I think making general distinctions makes sense.

@Someone here I missed this kinds of threads. Seems a little extreme. Like you are on one extreme now with your strong horniness and avoiding foreplay and all that and now you want to go to tantric sex. Not sure if that's gonna work out for you like you may need some steps in between. Hmm when I learned about how to do foreplay right and the effect it has on girls I built quite an ego around that and the sex that I have now is always very long. Like you can be so creative in your foreplay so it's very fun if you like improvising.

@spectra didnt work for me haha I needed to get louder. I think you need a base of respect for that to work. You are in your second year also so they know you better it gets easier then.

Sex at the metaphysical level: An Instagram post from Desiree Nicks Playboy shoot. She is the oldest German Playboy with an age of 66 (while shooting). I won't show any pictures of her here that's not what this post is about. What interests me is her developed understanding of sexuality at this age. And this post of her particularly struck me. It's often said that metaphysically the reason why sex feels so good is because it's the process of two opposite parts coming together and becoming whole. And that feels good because the universe wants to be itself/ united. Well doesn't this picture capture that just perfectly?

I am vegetarian. But generally when you are vegan or vegetarian for ethical reasons you are probably stage green which is where questioning traditional gender becomes a thing. I dont see being called gay or girly as an insult in the slightest actually. Integrating female traits takes courage and is counterintuitively manly. If you hide weakness with moral superiority you are full of shit and if you hide behind a traditional masculine facade you are also full of shit. A strong men should feel like a women who kicks ass inside.

When I was younger and really unexperienced with women I had romantic feelings towards them very fast. As I got more experienced and confident around women I noticed a big shift in how I perceived women. I see them a lot less as an individual and romantically when I dont spend a whole lot of time with them. There is a part of me that seeks the experience of sexual abundance and another part of me which seeks deep romantic experiences. I will get a lot more experience and confidence in the near future I am sure so it's likely that this effect will become stronger and I have mixed feelings about it. I am not talking about something unique it's probably just a universal effect. The primal brain designing the best behavioral strategy for maximum reproduction. So many of you guys will have had this shift as well I would assume? Where does this lead to? Will romanticism cease to exist with infinite "power" so to say? I see the only way to get romance now as true romance instead of bullshit romance. When before you might get a girl you are not really into but you couldnt find a better match and are locked into this relationship you might put on some romantic fantasy and built some kind of fantasy about your love for each other because that's the best you can do and you know that and therefore you invest in it although its not true. But when you become abundant with girls no fantasy really interests you anymore. You are either made for each other or every disharmony becomes cristal clear. And that two people are made for each other is really rare so a relationship might not interest you at all anymore. So what is it like after lots of pickup experience? Will pick up become boring so your shift changes again?

@spectra I tought philosophy 5 hours a week for a year in middle school. Yeah it's fucking though and you need to grow up to manage the situations and holes in your personality become very apparent. I lack a lot of assertiveness and confidence but developed these things to some degree because I was forced to. I lock forward to teaching more just for the raw development you get from it.

@Yeah Yeah Of course I get you with everything you said. It's all highly human. But it doesnt feel like you accept reality. You are behind in game and want a magical 19 y.o. virgin to get even. Like you are holding on to some belief and would rather do suicide instead of dropping that belief. Which is all very understandable but won't get you to move forward. Your situation isnt all that bad. There are plenty of girls in their early twenties who would settle for a guy who is 27. Can you say what exactly went wrong in the situations you had with girls? You were very loose about that.

@Davino If you go alone you can join friend groups for the night or you could ask a girl to be a wing for you. Thats how I built my state often and you can just randomly do that without any preparation.

Many girls think I am gay although I am not. But generally this is probably true.

We could make a thread all about that. I always thought that women generally are more emotionally attached but maybe it isnt as straight forward.

Another dalton like idea "4": Energy vampire humming bird.

Grown up people fall for manipulation and underage will fall more easily for it. Also they won't be able to deal with difficult situations as easily as an adult. Imagine a 14 y.o. girl emotionally dependent through sex to a 28 y.o. charming manipulative narcissist. Not good.

I probably couldnt eat a 1000 kcal meat that easily as I am not a big eater but I ate plenty of meals where lentils played a big part. Lentils can taste good just by themselves, probably better than unseasoned meat. You have to season meat as well so that it tastes good. But what is even your argument here. You season food so it tastes better. Taste is a multi faceted thing and good taste doesnt imply health. If you want to argue that way.

Maybe that was the most important point to you but I didnt experience it as a highlighted point in your argumentation. Furthermore 1) taste is more of a subjective thing as you cant really debate taste so obviously that cant be the focus in a debate 2) your critique was pretty immature, making a show out of how disgusting vegan products are when its clearly subjective. I got tired of that from previous debates where you deliberately found the most disgusting vegan meals possible and used that as a counter argument so I didn't even want to comment on it this time. 3% protein and low protein quality are scientific comments. Or how are they not!?

People react differently to different foods. Just because you had a bad experience with it doesnt mean everyone will have negative experiences. I didnt have negative experiences with it. You can also more rely on soy. Not everyone is an athlete, the majority are not. So most of society doesnt need that much protein. But why shouldn't they take vegan protein powder if they want to?

It's not always clear that this is a joke. It might be funny from your perspective but when people dont share that perspective they might not get it. It's even harder to understand when you say something that specific. It has pretty much the same effect as a lie. Seems like an okay source but it doesn't tell the whole story about combining plant protein sources as it doesnt show which biological value can be achieved by combining different sources. I could only find this German source unfortunately but I can translate the vegan sources. Soy + rice = 111 Biological value of the protein Soy + potatoes = 103 Biological value of the protein corn + beans = 99 Biological value of the protein Thats pretty decent protein considering an egg has 100 and many meat sources in isolation have less then that.

@Yeah Yeah I am a guy. Thanks for sharing all that now your situation makes a lot of sense. This could have been the start of your thread. There are two general options I think: 1) You adapt to your environment: You seem to have some developmental blockages. Being raised with some strict stage blue values in a stage orange/green environment? Where do you live btw.? And you also had bad experiences with your friend. Most people are not that way. And you have quite a bad view of non traditional girls there because you might feel a bit like a looser when they had more sex then you and exploit you as their safe option? Or that it feels unbalanced that you give them all of that "pure" love when they can seem a little "used up" ? I understand that it's not easy to get your foot into this kind of society. Maybe talk to a therapist about your problems. Starting here is a good start already. Maybe group therapy? What I can tell you is that there are many girls which dont fuck around for fun. They might had a few relationships which just didnt work out in the long run but if it was doable they would stay with their partner their whole lifes. Would such a girl be such a bad deal for you? And for finding these girls: What do you do as a hobby? Have you ever tried to go party and face your fears? Are you dancing in groups where there are other girls? (that's actually a very good option) Do you have friend groups with female friends? 2) You look for a different environment There are many places in the world with more traditional values. You can go there if you like.

what you wrote. 3% protein, low protein quality which both isnt true in this context.

@Yeah Yeah So what have you done and what are you currently doing to get laid?