Jannes

What Is Actuality? What is Gaslighting? Self Love.

Very interesting to hear. Especially because many carnivore advocates say that its exactly the opposite. What do you think about that? Yeah there is no denying that red meat is great for these nutrients. Yes that's super true. Stage yellow ethics. And these things especially organs are funnily enough often way more nutrient dense. The problem I see with organs is that lots of pollutants can collect on these parts of the animal body. Thanks for you intellectual honesty, it's refreshing. Cool. I think it's a bit of a genetic thing as well on how well you function with carbs. Some people become to dozy and chill with too much carbs I heard.

Very interesting. I have got some questions. 1) Nice that you got better mental clarity. How big is the difference? 2) From the animal products that you do consume, which health and performance benefits do you think you get and why do you consume exactly these foods to get them? 3) So you do kind of a low carb thing?

@Rafael Thundercat I changed my mind, I dont think it is cringe anymore. He managed to built attraction by being very direct and ballzy and it worked because he made it unweird by becoming humoursly overly close which created enough space paradoxically. In his situation there is lots of nervousness for both parties which is why that humor is funny, it's hard for me to get watching it comfortably on my laptop. Edit: I actually like that one the most now haha.

Haha they are so good, except the last one where the girl put in lots of effort if it wasnt staged.

How do you get direct experience?

I am studying to become a teacher or social worker and in my work environment there is a lot of respect less behavior of students, physical attacks, threats etc. I cant deal with that well at all. I was victimized a lot in mid school so I didn't learn how to handle myself and to be assertive in those situations. I definitely got enough steam and self confidence in me to learn the skill but I need practice. Because most of the times when I see these situations my mind just shuts down. I naturally dont have any ways to deal with it in my subconscious tool box. I become better at it as I go but I think it would be much better to learn these things in a professional environment. Do you have any experiences with courses, seminars.. ? Where you maybe in a similar situation and learned assertiveness somehow?

A big obstacle as a philosopher is being carried away by group think. But you still gotta earn a living. So a job in solitude without much worries makes sense. A part time craftsman job is suited for that. In Germany at least craftsman get paid well.

Not absolutely. There are beauty standards that every country has like symmetry of face and probably some other stuff because it reveals healthy genetics.

People are like material: People are like material, like bricks, like mortar, like wood, like water... People are material in that sense that this material like any other material is what constructs reality. The everyday distinction between material and human is not actual. Thoughts, spirit, emotions are equal to a piece of meat in that sense that they are all constructed out of consciousness and therefore play in the same field/ web. While materials of reality can of course be different, the materialness connects all materials to one thing.

I am in a similar situation. I have a consensual F+ and yet I feel like I would cheat if I slept with other girls. I am high in conscientiousness and maybe naturally more monogamous. But because I am like this things become more close even though I didn't want that. Now we spent a lot more time together, cuddling together.. It's enjoyable atm but I dont think it will progress into much more because the natural connection isnt there.

Isn't the capacity of our minds to bullshit ourselves to survive impressive.

Conveniently made red lentil quinoa paste in an instant pot: 75g of (dry mass) red lentils = 258 kcal, 45g of (dry mass) quinoa = 156 kcal, 20g of vegan butter = 142 kcal, a touch of vegetable broth. Makes 258 + 156 + 142 = 556 kcal. It does take a little getting used to looks wise but it does taste very good and is very healthy. It makes around 1/4 of my diet the other is more "normal" looking food.

This has to be viewed in a more nuanced way. Yes historically there were no vegan diets but many of the diets back then (especially the ones with farmers) mostly contained a lot less meat. So you justify some but not the high amounts of meat consumption if you take tradition as your dogma. With increase in technology however there is even less of a reason to consume meat. True veganism is built on ecological and ethical considerations for which it needs a certain ego development of people. Even if I wanted to loose weight I would still like to consume lean meats and low fat quark. However there are many selfish reasons in discovering more plant foods. Eating more Legumes, veggies and fruits has lots of health benefits.

Yeah the first one wasn't cool. It seems Justin has the higher status in this relationship which is why he is pretty carefree with his behavior and his girlfriend doesn't show him any boundaries really and just skillfully overplays things which might feel bad for her which doesnt give Justin any incentive to be more careful. I see it mostly as teasing and fun but not on eye level. If she would be able to tease Justin on the same level then it would be healthy.

You could make a 1 to 1 switch with lots of mock meat, that just wouldn't be very healthy. If everybody was vegan it would be super easy of course. Thats by far the biggest reason. I wouldn't say that veganism is inherently superior, I would say it can be as good and most of its difficulties come from that you probably do it alone.

Maybe a 1/4 of the quantity at best, in a similar style yet still not as disgusting looking. That picture really is a work of art. True. I meant gut bacteria. I like quinoa, whole grain rice, millet and sometimes other whole grains a lot. Chat Gpt says this when I asked it to proof your claim: "The claim that humans were essentially carnivorous during most of the Paleolithic period and genocided part of the fauna in the current Sahel region lacks strong scientific support and may be an exaggeration or misinterpretation of archaeological and anthropological evidence. Dietary Analysis: Studies on human dental and skeletal remains, as well as archaeological evidence, suggest that early humans had a varied diet that included both plant and animal foods. The development of tools for hunting and gathering plant-based foods is well-documented. The analysis of dental morphology, stable isotopes, and wear patterns on teeth indicates that early humans had an omnivorous diet. Archaeological Evidence: Archaeological sites from the Paleolithic era often reveal a diverse range of artifacts, including tools for hunting and gathering both plant and animal resources. This implies that early humans were not solely reliant on hunting but also engaged in gathering activities. Plant remains and seeds found at archaeological sites support the idea of a mixed diet that included fruits, vegetables, and grains. Cultural Practices: Evidence of early agricultural practices, such as the cultivation of plants, dates back to the Neolithic period, indicating a shift towards a more plant-based diet. The development of cooking techniques likely contributed to making a wider range of foods, including plant-based ones, more palatable and digestible. Genocide of Fauna: The term "genocide" implies intentional and systematic destruction. While early humans certainly had an impact on local fauna through hunting, there is no evidence to suggest a deliberate, organized effort to wipe out entire species or engage in mass killings of animals. It is crucial to approach such claims with a critical perspective and consider the current state of scientific knowledge. The evolution of human diets and interactions with the environment is complex and influenced by various factors. While early humans were undoubtedly hunters, evidence supports the idea that their diet was diverse and included a significant portion of plant-based foods. Additionally, the notion of humans genociding fauna lacks empirical support and may be an oversimplification of the complex interactions between humans and their environment." - One way or another it doesnt even really matter. We can digest meat and vegetables alike. So no matter what the diet back then was doesnt say what the best diet will be for us now. It's the "appeal to aught fallacy". Ultimately yes. But do you go about life acting like all ethics is subjective and therefore you can do whatever you want? Which is why bodybuilders who eat only chicken, rice and broccoli get sick of the chicken first before the rice. Fat is a flavor carrier. Rice with butter taste so good for example. kale is a bit to bitter for me but I love to eat a whole Romanian salat without anything. Ugh. I love green smoothies though. No joke they taste amazing. There are a lot of things I want to eat which taste good. Meat tastes good but it's far from the only thing. One of the most delicious things is a green smoothie bowl made out of frozen bananas and spinach. You have this idea that humans are basically completely selfish and every act of not selfishness is basically for ones own benefit so just a smart form of selfishness? And you should see and accept that, otherwise you are are a fool and a clown? It's hard to argue against that position because it claims a universal truth. It simply doesnt feel true to me, it seems more like a partial truth. Which doesnt make them bad. Interesting actually. How can you be sure though that you reached the core and not another mental construction? Thats not what veganism is. Probably yes. A subset of a total which is mostly herbivore hurray. 🥳 How old are they and for how long have they been at it? Heart problems become more of a serious issue if you are older. Haven't heard about that before. But I asked chat gpt again: The claim that a vegan diet leads to deficiencies, low muscle tone, poor thyroid function, and low testosterone levels is not universally supported by scientific evidence. In fact, a well-planned vegan diet can provide all the necessary nutrients for optimal health. It is important to note that deficiencies and health issues can arise from an inadequately balanced diet, whether vegan or non-vegan. Nutrient Adequacy: A properly planned vegan diet can provide all essential nutrients, including protein, iron, calcium, vitamin B12, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids. These nutrients can be obtained from plant-based sources or supplements. It is crucial for vegans to be mindful of their nutritional intake, just as any individual should be, to ensure they meet their dietary needs. Muscle Tone: Adequate protein intake is essential for maintaining muscle mass and tone. Plant-based protein sources such as legumes, tofu, tempeh, and plant-based protein supplements can contribute to muscle health. Vegan athletes and bodybuilders have demonstrated that it is possible to achieve and maintain optimal muscle tone and strength on a vegan diet. Thyroid Function: There is no inherent reason why a vegan diet would lead to poor thyroid function. Cruciferous vegetables, often cited for their potential impact on thyroid function due to goitrogenic compounds, are not problematic when consumed in reasonable amounts as part of a balanced diet. Selenium, an essential mineral for thyroid health, can be obtained from plant-based sources such as nuts, seeds, and grains. Testosterone Levels: Limited evidence suggests that a vegan diet may have a neutral or even positive impact on testosterone levels. Diets rich in plant foods, especially those containing antioxidants and anti-inflammatory compounds, may support overall health, including hormonal balance. Lifestyle factors such as exercise, stress management, and sufficient sleep also play significant roles in hormonal regulation. It's important to emphasize that any diet, whether vegan or omnivorous, requires careful planning to ensure nutritional adequacy. Individuals, regardless of dietary choices, should be aware of their nutrient intake and consult with healthcare professionals or registered dietitians if concerns arise. Generalizations about health outcomes based solely on the adoption of a vegan diet can oversimplify a complex issue, as individual health depends on various factors beyond dietary choices. Of course a little is fine. But once you are in the obese range it's a huge predictor for longevity and overall health. Everything is getting fucked up in your body if you are fat. 🥳 Okay. Which is important. I am no nutritionist but even the WHO say that fruit sugar in fruit is no problem: "The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars." Source: https://www.who.int/news/item/04-03-2015-who-calls-on-countries-to-reduce-sugars-intake-among-adults-and-children 1) You can do it without supplements, you just have to be pretty clean with your diet to get enough choline. 2) What's fundamentally wrong with supplements? I take one multivitamin a day (although I am vegetarian) and some omega 3 its easy. Damn. You have to develop strategies to make it less of a burden which takes time when you are not used to it. Honestly I would be interested to try some meat out again, simply because I haven't allowed it myself and not really for the taste. Once I went from vegan to vegetarian I was so hyped to taste milk and eggs again but they got boring real quick. Taste wise I haven't missed too much. I sometimes go months without eggs though (still lots of milk) so if there would be anything special in eggs as an animal product (which is not in milk) my body would make cravings for it right? I have pretty much none whatsoever.

Generally it's a question of value. Do you value the benefits from eating animal products for yourself more, or do you want to make an ethical decision. Of course if veganism would be 100% as good as omnivores diets then everybody would do it, that's why it is an ethical decision, you do it against your own benefit. BUT veganism can still be very tasty if you try.

True your practical diet probably doesnt look as gorgeous. But there are still many many easy vegan meals you can make like oatmeal, bread with some vegan spread, fruits as a snack, you can do lots in an instant pot or rice cooker and many dishes that need small amounts of preparation. (its not like you dont need to cook meat as well). It just takes time to get used to new recipes.

Which picture do you mean now? If you mean your picture I really do think that this one dish exceeds your daily calorie intake. And I have been trying to put on size on a plant based diet with massive meals, yet I have not eaten meals that big. If you mean my picture then double that amount is probably fitting. There are lots of veggies in there it's very realistic and not dense imo. Your gut adapts to different foods and it's not like you only eat legumes, you can also eat lots of starches. There are infinite ways to feel a lot of pleasure in bad/ unconscious ways. You can take party drugs, you can rape somebody, you can eat a whole cake, you can eat meat, ... that something feels pleasurable says nothing about if it is good or bad. Meat has lots of calories which is why our brain evolved to like the taste because that was good for our survival back in the day. Thats not an ethical position. I would make the point that yes ethics is relative and because of that it is human based/ favors humans and vegans actually try to make ehitcs less relative/ more universal to all beings. So I think your point is backwards. In a sense vegans dont try to make ethics more animal based, they try to make ethics less human based which simply results in the same outcome. I like all fruits, all nuts, many raw veggies and most starches and legumes in a cooked form. Of course. So what does that show? Aren't you scared you won't get a heart attack from that amount of saturated fat in one go. Most days I enjoy one blend meal of just legumes and starch. For example whole grain rice and some red lentils with a bit of vegan butter. 150g of dry mass is easily eaten in 3 minutes and it tastes good. I dont know what eating 1kg of that in one go would proof because I dont eat meals that big. When I did intermitted fasting years ago I ate larger quantities tho. Actually for most of society being able to eat a lot of one thing is a con because it means that you can easily get fat from it. But it's vegan. I can eat ots with cooked water it's called porridge. Admittedly without some sweetener like banana and some peanut butter it's a bit boring. I sometimes eat a whole package of dates all at once which is like 1000 kcal yes. They do, it's called fiber. Nature is crazy like that. True. There are plenty of vegan sources as well although they are not as good as the animal sources so you have to careful with that although most people are choline deficient. You can supplement it too. Sure would double that amount be too much to eat for you? Okay you have a point, it's hard to find boring/ realistic pictures of dishes on the internet. I really do find that a bit disgusting. I would rather eat a well made tofu omelette spring onion and dried tomatoes.

"Oh god hamburgers are so disgusting all of a sudden."

That's dillusional. There are some examples. I can cook some red lentil quinoa paste worth exactly 500 kcal and post the picture if you need that. It can. I think the pic looks pretty disgusting. I think dissecting a whole animal from scratch would be pretty disgusting as well but I can only speak for myself. Also vegans never argued that meat doesnt taste good and therefore shouldn't be eaten, they make alternatives that taste as good or close to as good as meat. They make the point that it is unethical for different reasons and that taste doesnt equal health. Even strict herbivores in the animal kingdom munch on meat when they get the chance. How much meat is consumed raw and without flavoring? What do you do with flavoring - you make it taste more like vegetables. How horribly boring would most meat taste without vegetable flavoring haha. I cook food because that's what humans have evolved into. We cooked for so long that we got a pretty unique digesting system that is designed for cooked food. Hypothetically how would that be cheating? Also I dont. Well it tastes good. I can eat a shitton of fruit and oats in a variety of ways. I disagree. Only eating that would not be a very balanced diet. None of them are really part of a Whole Foods plant based diet and should only be consumed in small amounts. I dont even know what your point is with that. Yes please start. Yeah I probably won't.

🤮🤮🤮 Thats like 5000 calories I would guess - I want to through up just looking at this, where do you even find pictures like that? Have a fair conversation about veganism please, I could do the same thing and select disgusting photos of meat which dont represent your diet at all. I am vegetarian btw.

Red lentil plasters taste good and are super conveniently makable in an instant pot.

Just got curious about it. I think I never had a runners high but is that a good experience. Also is it healthy? I am genetically terrible at sprinting but great at jogging but never made something out of it.