Jannes

"All of morality boils down to reducing the harm your selfishness causes others." After your definition wouldn't it be moral to kill hitler to save a lot of people? (A): you selfishly want to kill hitler, that's morally also good. (B): you selfishly dont want to kill hitler, but it would be moral to do so otherwise you cause a lot of harm to a lot of people.

I love it as well. So positive. And it also connected perfectly with an idea I had on my blog. I love connecting pieces of the puzzle.

I agree with Davino and Max. Also iq doesnt measure consciousness. It doesnt measure your stage of development. It doesnt measure creativity. It doesnt measure work ethic. Just with these things you can be so much more ahead/holistically intelligent then most people with a high iq.

@Max_V thanks, I finally found that quote of Camus.

I finally found this quote from Camus again. Thanks @Max_V In the depths of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer. - Albert Camus Camus quote is analogous to my thought. It just focuses on a different facet of reality (like beauty, goodness, "invincible summer", ... ) which absolute perspective can be found when it's lacking in the relative perspective.

@ZenSwift Very compact and valueable wisdom, thank you! I can relate very much to your experiences. For me studying or any kind of preparation is very hard and without some events I am often very lazy. I was happy in a kind of way when I worked at a store. I hated the job but I always got it done and it pulled me out of slack into action. I am thinking very hard about integrating external motivations/ routines in my life like studying with friends but because I struggle with social life that's hard to do. What I can share which helped me with ADHD a lot was lowering digital stimulants. I dont use social media at all, I block YouTube completely (I can unblock it if needed so I still go and download some videos to not fall for the algorithm sometimes) and even block all music. That might sound harsh but the thing is that when you are sensitive to distraction a little bit can cause a lot of problems. Just listening to a bit of music on the side can cause me to be half as productive. When I was in the gym listening to my own music the workouts literally took twice as long.

I was diagnosed in life 4th grade. How have you redesigned your life that it better fits to your adhd lens?

Thanks! You point out a big weakness in my reasoning. I haven't acquired nearly enough knowledge to see society through a complex systems thinking lens so I guess this idea needs to stay in work.

Do we fear having societies problems solved? Like it is quite possible to solve societies survival problems in environmental causes, inequality, ... It will take time but it's very possible to solve most survival problems. (except dying after a healthy life ofc.) Maybe society knows that and at least partially creates new drama so that it never faces the situation of being problem free. Because that might be terrifying. I can only speak of personal inquiries and having no problems seems terrifying. So if that is the case, is it maybe necessary to integrate a vision of what we do when most problems are solved? A new kind of drama? Just so that we actually want to solve societies problems.

This is weird. I am so convinced in my own idea but nobody seems to follow. Perhaps I didn't explain enough or maybe the idea just isnt that good. I often overhype my own ideas for the day.

No I said it's possible and it would take time.

Yesss beautifully said. But in the context of humanity for example we really could solve all our basic survival needs. And at that point we could evolve into something different. We could either go on a fly to mars and do basically the same thing or we could consciously create our own problems, maybe in the form of play.

Please elaborate, I cant work with that.

True. I dont mean that these problems are easily solved but that we potentially could solve them. Thats very different from very other species on earth and completely against our paradigm of thinking.

Okay so if a complex-organizing system successfully overcomes all of its crude survival challenges, what does it do then?

Much comes from the stage orange mindset. If wealth contribution was more equal, if people lowered their living standards to the necessary, If cooperations tried to maximize their contribution instead of their income (throwing food away or building low quality products which will fall apart at some point on purpose), if more people would be more evolved and wouldnt do jobs which have no benefit on society (trading for example), if their would be less resource loss in conflict (wars), in short if we all were less selfish we would have plenty of resources to make a good living for everyone on earth I believe. People might just lack the vision how such a society could be like so they dont evolve towards making it happen.

This makes me want to experience infinite love.

Yes, what do you want to say with that?

And how have you optimized your environment? What do you work as? What's your LP?

I was also diagnosed with ADHD. Has something changed? Have you implemented some strategies?

I have come to this conclusion so far. You can be vegan for many reasons. Loving animals can be a legit reason to be a vegan but very few or maybe even no vegan is vegan completely because of this, most are because of moral reasons. Moral development can only prosper in healthy and loving circumstances so it's very elitist and even selfish when vegans moralize it to other people and therefore has a counterproductive effect. The more morally developed you are the more your love/care expands in the universe.

There are people who aren't on either side and just do both for a month for fun. Joe Rogan even did a month of vegan and a month of carnivore.

Oh I See now. I am not that well-read in neuroscience so I struggled to make the connection. Well you could switch the example out. Would you act immediately "immoral" in some way to an animal if morality was abolished for a minute.

If there were no moral obligation to not harm an animal and you still wouldn't do it then you could be a vegan without the motive being morality. That was the only point I was trying to make.

@Schizophonia I dont quite get the point.