Jannes

Oh I See now. I am not that well-read in neuroscience so I struggled to make the connection. Well you could switch the example out. Would you act immediately "immoral" in some way to an animal if morality was abolished for a minute.

If there were no moral obligation to not harm an animal and you still wouldn't do it then you could be a vegan without the motive being morality. That was the only point I was trying to make.

@Schizophonia I dont quite get the point.

There are often like questionnaires about different political questions you can fill out. Depending on how you answered different parties are recommended to you. Also you can see their main points on their website. You can roughly see what their intentions are through that.

Okay lets throw morality out the window for a second: Would you do eat meat then even if you didn't had health problems? If yes would you even torture/slaughter an animal yourself if there were fun aspects about it (for example you could be interested in how deep the axe penetrates the neck of a cow if you swang at it).

I meant I think that most people wouldn't want to eat meat if they were conscious enough of how eating meat causes animals to be slaughtered. Thats another great example. I think most people also wouldn't do that if they were conscious enough about it. Yes also true. At some point it becomes to complicated though.

Yes a croc cant ask itself moral question. But below that it cant even ask itself if it wants to kill the human or not. A human can. Thats the essence of Leos critique video of morality. If you stop the moral lense you still make decisions. Like if you deconstruct the moral sense that killing other humans is bad that doesn't mean that you instantly murder other people. And in this same way, without moral consideration but simply by asking yourself if you really want to do it I think most people wouldn't want to kill animals. I would make the point that most people dont want to kill animals, they just do it because they arent conscious enough.

Thats new. Why do you eat them then?

@Nemra Is survival your only criteria?

Of course you can't avoid doing some harm but you can do your best.

A croc doesnt have ethics. It's almost like asking if a rock made an unethical decision falling on someones head.

What do you mean by that? Okay. Do you take that absolute stance though? Would you say that killing and eating a human for example is indifferent from eating an apple? This sounds like impractical spiritual masturbation. I have a better way of phrasing it now: I would argue that when you open yourself to the relative domain at all, like saying that a human life has more value then a rock you are also implying a spectrum of grey where animals likely have a higher worth then plants.

Are you taking the absolute perspective that there is even no difference between killing a million people or cutting a piece of plastic, just human bias. Or am I misunderstanding what you saying? I think it's a spectrum. At the beginning of development you might only really only care about you and your tribe, then other tribes, then different races and then I would say different species. Caring for plants or rocks is probably a lot further down the line.

What about just having empathy and respect for animals because your ego is developed enough that you identify/love with all living beings. Morality is a construct but it points to something true.

How do you know that antinatalists are the majority? I think acknowledgment of our destructive ways can be good. We become so conscious of our destructive ways that we open ourselves up to change. Some people in life have to make the decision between suicide and changing themselves radically. That could be it on a more global scale.

I just realized that interesting dynamic in sex: its (often) attractive when a man is manly and a women is womanly. Being more apart is what makes coming together better.

You can always make it better or worse. Especially because it's a long term thing through generations. Children can always see it differently.

@Nilsi Science has evolved a lot since back then.

You probably won't become an advanced lifter with that, that's just good enough to get the newbie gains and some of the intermediate gains. At some point exercises become stale, you simply need to switch them out to stimulate growth and to give your joints and connective tissues a break. So the next step would be to change out some exercises. You can keep doing whole body but maybe rotate between day A and B where you have different exercises. How about: Day B: - Leg press (quads and adductor) - Leg Curl (hamstring) - if you care about training glutes as well: Lunges (you probably only need 1 set) - Pull Ups (back) - Wide Grip Push Ups (chest, front delt) - Cable Lateral Raises (side delts) - Close Grip Bench (triceps) - barbell bicep curl (biceps) Doing deadlifts 3 times a week is overkill because of all the axial fatigue (that comes from stress on your spine), if you alternate between these two training days you will accumulate a lot less fatigue as this training is very light on axial loading. This training can get you to the next level. Then you need to step up your game again.

Does this level of reality exist? Waves out of metal, fire out of ice, happiness out of wooden blocks. Is there a place where the qualities of reality exist in shapes but not manifested in a consistent paradigm? ----------------------------- I wanted chatgpt to add more examples for the list. This wasn't what I had in mind but its still an interesting list: Light out of shadows Music out of silence Life out of stone Strength out of feathers Warmth out of snow Colors out of darkness Time out of stillness Joy out of tears Flight out of roots Dreams out of reality

That is something that happens somewhat automatically. Your brain receives and processes a lot of information. If you get a lot of rejection, or even in everyday life how people perceive you and give you feedback through body language and all that, that all programs your unconscious. I noticed when I got a better haircut and all the better confirmation I got from that immediately changed how I perceived myself status wise. I was even a bit annoyed by it because I just started to adapt strategies through my lower status. I was a lot more bold with lower status in certain ways, not a good strategy for higher status. But socializing is healthy for you. But sure you can overdo it of course.

Men, there is actually so much to say about this. I always feared that when I lower my standards I would rest in that place/ like I would solidify my standards if I actually commit to a deep relationship. I wouldn't want to use women as a means to an end like getting a "practice girl" to prepare me for the real thing. But my trap was that I was overly concerned about that psychological process. When you get rejected a lot your psyche actually changes and is more attracted to character then beauty. I had a phase with such a terrible hairstyle that my looks dropped a lot and I experienced a shift in perspective. I actually liked that perspective, because I had to integrate more of a fighting spirit. I think if you are attracted to less hot girls then you should go for it. Your instincts aren't all that stupid, they evaluate/ calculate and strategize your situation.

I had a very weird school experience. I was an outsider for much of the time but in mid school I regularly experienced highs. My main bully both got me down and up. He always wanted me on his side but also that I behaved in his interest and formed a macho identity like him. So most of the time he embarassed me and because of his high status he got structural support of the class. But maybe 10% of the time he was a very good friend. He supported me completely. He screamed through class: "if everyone wants to attack "Jannes", I am gonna f*ck your life." And then he often brought me to the cool people, the attractive girls and all of that. Because my old ways of acting weren't fitted in this high status environment I quickly adapted a new identity but because these periods were never long the identity was never really grounded. And I think this is something that still makes an inner conflict in myself today. I struggled through the last years in finding a girlfriend both my bullied self felt good enough for and my fragile "high status" self feels attracted to. The intersection is almost zero. (I kind of solved that with a consensual F+ which was a good compromise between my two sides and from that I connected both sides more). It's very similar to finding friends. The people I feel comfortable with I dont really like, The people I like I dont feel good enough for. The problem that arises from that is that I have a very hard time building meaningful connections. It's rare that I find people I can relate to.

You mean those for example? I am gonna watch them tomorrow.

What bothers me a little is that everyone is like perfectly prepared and articulated and super stylish so it feels like some authenticity is lost there. But I still like the video. I recently had a project play in theatre about self love where we shared our struggles with self love to the best of our capacities. I didn't do it because I felt like I was selling my soul a little with that but I am questioning that. Sharing in smaller intimate groups/ or with special people might be the best of both worlds.