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@effortlesslumen I get that. Whole Foods worked for generations and such a big change might have risks involved that science isn’t yet aware of. I have an instant pot but I haven’t really explored all its possibilities, I use it more like a rice cooker for whole grains and legumes. All the instant pot recipes that I look up have all kinds of specific veggies in them which makes it expensive and time consuming. I just want to throw a blend of frozen veggies in there ?. What if it was a high quality, organic and heavy metal tested product?

AI will help make VR better. I think VR will be big. Why wouldn’t it be, it’s a totally different experience then webbrowsing or video games.

What is living water? Even if it has less nutrients, I can easily consume more of it. I asked AI about antioxidants in powdered greens ⬇️ Are you saying that the combination of different plants in the mix will make a single ingredient less nutritional valueable? Something like wheat grass could be an option then. Fiber isn’t the issue I eat fruit, whole grains and legumes. Meal prep still takes a big chunk of time and eating the same thing every day is super boring. No it’s not. I am like a programmer. I put a few hours into thinking how to simplify everything and so strategically spare time. I don’t necessarily agree that it has to be difficult.

@Michael569 Yes my plan would be to complement my diet. Of course I wouldn’t forbid myself to eat vegetables but I probably wouldn’t cook a whole lot of them anymore if I don’t need to. I cooked and optimized myself 3 healthy meals every day for 3 years but not solely for the purpose of being healthy but also as a cooping mechanism to escape other challenges in life. (I put more effort into the thing I was already good at which was health rather then expanding to other domains like social problems) So I connect healthy cooking with very unhealthy behaviour patterns and so I just make cooking as minimalistic as I can while maintaining health. While I am at it, is there a greens powder that you can recommend @Michael569 ?

Given that AI is pure rationality which is completely dualistic I think it’s unable to "have“ insights into the nature of reality. What do you think? @Nilsi In one thread I read that you rationalized yourself to some mystical experience. Would love to hear your opinion about this.

The driving force that will make VR experience realistic.

A lot of demonization without any good arguments. It’s not clear that sex robots would increase sexual violence against women and it’s also not even clear that sex robots are bad for relationships. For example men could now be more interested in personality then sex because their sexual needs are met. I don’t necessarily agree with the child sex toy part. Yes it’s fucking weird but you have to look at it statistically. If it lowers the rate of criminal pedophiles then it’s a good thing.

One thing that prevented me from disproving the existence of a physical reality are atoms. You can prove the existence of atoms with experiments and to my knowledge you can even somewhat see them with the best high end microscopes. For some reason I thought that if we can experience atoms (through a microscope for example) that this means that the physical objective world really exists (as something outside of consciousness) because it is actually grounded in first order truth. But there really isn’t anything special about atoms. Seeing them through a microscope is just an experience like every other experience. It is okay that they exist, they totally can, it doenst prove however that they exist as something outside of consciousness. The thought that this experience (seeing atoms) is actually real (points to something outside of consciousness) is also just a conscious experience like any other. Maybe the hard thing I couldn’t wrap my mind around was that consciousness has so many layers which appear to be separate because they can’t get connected (mind matter problem) and therefore thought that it can’t all be consciousness. I remember a quote I got from a forum member: „Consciousness is both Creator and Creation. The seemingly appearent seperation is an Illusion.“ Maybe that finally sank in a little deeper for me.

Yeah basically.

Most of us have seen the potential of AI even in its early stages and it will get 100x better in the coming years. Of course you can try to outsmart AI as long as possible but in 10 years let’s say, do you think there will be more then just a handful of "axiomatic jobs“ (someone needs to press the start button on AI) left?

I think it’s exactly not that. I think it’s a direct experience which later can be conceptualized. that’s wild. With Chatgpt? I would love to try it out as well but too many user are using it already. Maybe it’s just categorical impossible. Like an eye trying to look at itself. Maybe it will just have an error when it is about to realize something mystical.

What would be an insight into the nature of reality that isn’t "human“ to you?

Oh thats interesting. A direct experience into a facet of reality like ONENESS (Self vs Other), GOODNESS (Good Intention vs Bad Intention), CONSTRUCTION (Construction vs Destruction), NATURAL (Natural vs Artificial), … I remember you saying somewhere that you philosophized yourself to some kind of mystical/spiritual experience of some kind. ?

What’s the risk of heavy metals in your greens powder?

@LastThursday AI will be able to take information from the real world instead of internet information in the future. AI can be programmed to build server and machines and power stations that would provide the energy, making AI pretty much completely independent if one wishes to do that. That’s not what I meant. My question will we create such an intelligent tool that it doesn’t need a tool user anymore because the tool gives better direction then the user himself?

You can buy a sex doll.

@LastThursday The problem that I see is that AI is already so smart that it can mimic personalities. My decision making for example in business or even in art can be predicted and improved so well that I become useless. Maybe not right now but in the near future. I think CEOs would even need to pretty much give AI all control otherwise other companies will outsmart them. AI will run itself. The first insult for humanity was the realization that the earth circles around the sun, making humans not the core of the universe. The second insult for humanity was the realization that humans evolve from animals. The third insult for humanity was the realization that humans are mostly controlled subconsciously. The forth insult for humanity will be the realization that there is no individual core that we have. We are like an onion with layers of conditioning without a core. That’s why AI can replace us. We came from being in the core of all things to not having a core at all. Maybe this is a strange loop for our understanding of our point in the universe as god.

I take both. What do I have to look out for? Can I take them simultaneously (microdosing psychedelics) ?

I feel like I was still more sleepy then the average student on 100mg ? I just became aware of how sleepy I was otherwise. But the times I didn’t dream I was so fucking fast and sharp with my brain, it was such a pleasure to think. Are you sure about the memory part though? A lot of students take modafinil but if it reduces memory that doesn’t really make sense for them, would even be counterproductive.

@zurew good points! One thing I wonder about though is that if some people would be fine with being a "femboy“/"tomboy“ instead of actually changing their gender but changing their gender works better for cultivating qualities of the other gender right now maybe in the next decade "femboys“/"tomboys“ are fully accepted in society and the surgery didn’t need to happen. Sorry if my sentence is hard to follow, I am tired. @Linda22 I think there are some parents that will screw up their child no matter what. I get your point that maybe you shouldn’t give people the option to do such dramatic things to their child because there will be some that will abuse it to feed their narcissism or whatever. But on average I think those parents are the vast minority and as zurew said, it has to be accepted by a doctor. (yes the parents can manipulate their child but this makes it a whole lot harder and therefore the cases a lot smaller)

Yes I imagine that when I zoom into any given object I find atoms and I imagine that other people exist who can do that with every object as well. It’s a pretty compelling imagination that I imagine atoms with such consistency in everything. I didn’t say that it proves the existence of a physical universe, my thread was about pointing out why it is so easy to believe that the physical universe is real which is because atoms are imagined so consistently. @Leo Gura Maybe to clear out some misunderstanding. Do we call first order truth also imagination? For example when I experience an "atom“ through a microscope (shapes and colors) is that imagination or is only the contextualization that This is an atom imagination?

Of course second order truth is part of the experience (first order truth). The thought „there is an apple“ is second order truth because in reality there is not actually an apple but „thinking there is an apple“ is an experience and therefore first order truth.

Well there is first order truth (direct experience) and second order truth [concepts about reality (first order truth)]. The point of materialists is that second order truth isn’t just a second-order-truth-concept but actually real. And atoms make it hard to debunk that theory because you can consistently make first order truth experience of atoms if you zoom into anything. So you have to drop such basic sense making of reality like „If you move forward to an object in front of you you come closer to that object“ to debunk materialism (atoms).

Well you can actually zoom into the smell particles of the skunk with a microscope and find molecules and even blurry atoms directly. That the atom state of consciousness and the outzoomed smell particles state of consciousness are connected in any way is the imagination part. (That zooming in and out is happening is imagination)