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42 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:The mark of any truly well made movie is that it momentarily makes you forget that you're just watching a movie. Crappy movies constantly remind you that it's "just a movie" you're watching. You want to be engaged (i.e. fooled) by it, otherwise it's just effing boring.
But then again, it's also no fun to completely forget that you are watching a movie, cause then you take it too damn serious.
So every now and then, you remind yourself that it's just a movie. And then you forget that it's just a movie. And then you remember. And then you forget. And then you remember. And then you forget. And then you remember. And then you forget.
And that's... movie magic!
Sure. That makes more sense. Still doesn't explain a good amount of things. Movies usually have a happy ending though (unless it's a trilogy). In our "shared movie" or whatever, there's actors getting raped, mutilated, and then cared for by their assailant just so they can torture them again. Or having their families get murdered in front of them. And boom credit scenes. What kind of movie is that? However, the real important question is: Why is God the way it is? Some have even said that infinity created itself out of nothing. Others that it has always existed... safe to say we have no clue.
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2 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:@michaelcycle00 "God's Plan is suspiciously similar to that of someone with no plan." ?
Is that the conclusion you came to based off of what I said? Man oh man...
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3 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:Why do you think psychedelic's are necessary at all?
How come life isn't just one great island trip?
I think God (our real self) isn't truly limitless and can do all, it's just infinite in what IS. That IS is bounded and limited. Meaning, some things CAN BE and some others CANNOT. Example: There has to be suffering for it to be joy, sadness for happiness, uneasy conscience for peace, etc. Duality. There has to be poverty for there to be wealth. People that die for those that live. God has to be OK even with its ugly side. That's why it's all "love". Because otherwise there would just be infinite madness for itself. Now what decided the conditions for God to be the way it is I have no clue, and probably cannot be understood by humans. But maybe someone here has in some sort of insanely deep breakthrough experience realized this, or been deceived by it equally.
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3 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:A movie with no antagonist sucks.
No? Isn't the whole sough-after state of "enlightenment" or "liberation" to have internal peace irregardless of what's going on around you? Why not come with that ON from default? Why do we have to chase it by taking psychedelics, doing meditation, yoga, emptying ourselves, etc. The end of it is to basically get rid of there being an antagonist in the first place (at least inside your mind). It's like we're taking unnecessary steps to reach something that's eternal nonetheless. Therefore making anything before that completely irrelevant.
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3 hours ago, Tim R said:Because there is neither preference nor aversion, everything that can be, will and must be.
Infinity = Love
Who or what decides what "can be"? Isn't that just God? I hate the can be's, because that implies that there's something outside of God to decide what is and what isn't, what can and can't be. And if it is God then it obviously allowed some things and not some others, like the other guy said; we can't breathe underwater naturally.
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1 hour ago, OneHandClap said:Absolutely. There was no pain or fear in the formless void. Therefore, pain and fear are not "real." They are human emotions we feel in response to that which is seen as unpleasant or frightening. But if we can love the void... there is no fear!
I don't think you understood what I said, mate
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2 hours ago, OneHandClap said:All I can offer about this whole mahasamadi/void thing is that nothing bad can come of it. If it doesn't happen... voila, you're alive and back to normal human life. If it does happen and all of reality dissolves into infinite unity-bliss for the rest of eternity, well, shit, who are you to complain? No more need to pay taxes or get prostate checks
Well... this perfect, united, infinitely blissful reality has been talked about a lot and yet, we're here. Maybe this cosmic horror thing is actually a thing felt by our Godself even in the absolute sense of it, but most don't wanna consider it because the implication of that scares them and therefore must be "let go of, since reality can only be love". Why are we reincarnating into this dumpster (and heck, I've had a really good life compared to billions of other people) if there's already a perfect, timeless reality in the absolute sense right here right now that also does not need to imagine a thing to be as it is because it's eternally unchanging? Why is god imagining this if not because it's not content with that? Think about it, what kind of humans tend to daydream the most? The ones who aren't satisfied and happy with their lives. Even Leo has said that God dreams out of boredom. How's that for a perfect reality haha? Maybe God is an anthropomorphic being and Spinoza was wrong about it having infinite attributes and it's only infinite because it has no bound in what it CAN do, but that "CAN" is simply finite.
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22 hours ago, The0Self said:@WokeBloke It’s part and parcel of the illusory experience of the self (things are really happening to me, the I who is present and aware here and now), to hide the reality that nothing ever happens twice. These words have never been said and will never be said again. I understand it can and does seem like that’s not the case, within the story, but that’s an illusion. Everything is new. Just apparently describing this.
Where did you get this from and could you expand on it? I've seen lots of people say they feel like they've lived their lives a million times already while on Psychs.
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13 hours ago, Mu_ said:I agree, God/Existence is more than just infinite combinations of finite things, because there are actually no finite things, lol. It gets into area's/experience that is not possible to understand or relate to as a "human" awakening to God realization. But it really doesn't matter that this is so.
Yeah, I get it, I was just expecting some sort of verbal confirmation but it seems like no one ever thinks this kind of stuff and so my question doesn't even fit their paradigm. Like when you say "It gets into area's/experience that is not possible to understand or relate to as a "human" awakening to God-realization." that's exactly what I'm talking and asking about.
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13 hours ago, The0Self said:There isn't a we nor a universe. How this really is, is inescapable and cannot be known. There's only what appears to be. There's simply no separation of any kind at all, but even that cannot be known. It can happen that you feel separate and then suddenly you don't know if you're separate or not because all knowing is seen through as illusory, and then it's just indescribable. Indescribable in the sense that there's nothing better or more amazing, but if it were to be described it would sound utterly ordinary -- sitting on a chair, seeing a screen, etc -- the person just can't accept that that's as utterly indescribably amazing as it gets.
So this is it then? The eternal present, no escape. Reincarnation. And it's the most amazing thing there is?
Can you expand on "How this really is, is inescapable and cannot be known" if possible?
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14 hours ago, allislove said:If "someone" is completely sure -- they are "full of shit" so to speak
I mean sure you're right but we can still talk about it relatively. I don't really need to know exactly how it works, why it does and etc. I just want to know if it can pull (or is) infinitely many more out of its own nothingness that may have 0 to do with its current finite experience (Universe, Finity, Duality). Like is this the only form of finite existence that can be? I doubt it, but if it is so then why?
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14 hours ago, Nahm said:If you had a bunch of words spelled out on the floor with legos, you could say there are words there, yet there aren’t really, they’re legos.
Right, perception. Something is nothing I suppose you're trying to say? But what does that have to do with what I'm asking? I'm not following.
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20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Any distinction that can be imagined.
Sounds finite, but then again, why "that can be imagined" if it is unlimited? Or is it only so relative to our perspective? Is God simply an infinitely bigger version of a human mind that can "run" paradoxes and be composed out of nothingness?
20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Something IS Nothing.
QuoteYep, I understand that's what it's composed of, but let's please stay within relativity here. I know in absolute terms this discussion and whatever God is or isn't is pointless which is why I'm not talking in absolutes.
20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Actually it blends together perfectly. Absolute Infinity is Love, and all of reality is designed to maximize Love. So why is reality the way it is? Infinite Love!
Well the different types of psychedelics yield different experiences and while you may get to this conclusion on say 5-Meo or NN-Dmt you could get the complete opposite of love from say Salvia. Unless you mean "Love" in absolute terms where a child getting mutilated is an act of love. But like I said, from a relative standpoint this isn't it.
21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Love and Good are absolutes. They have no opposite. There is nothing beyond Infinite Love and Goodness. Stop here.
Okay, why is it that way based on your experiences? If the answer is that it "couldn't have been any other way" then what exactly is it bounding it to be a certain way if there can't exist anything outside of it to do so? And if we go by the "Love and Good are absolutes" and "reality is designed to maximize love" premise which really is just to be at peace with itself regardless of what's going on then there shouldn't be a limit or any absolutes in any other sense simply because it's cool with whatever is going down.
21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:There is nothing beyond Absolute Infinity. Stop imagining stupid things. All the stupid things you imagine are inside Absolute Infinity, not outside it. Absolute Infinity cannot have an outside because the notion of "outside" is a distinction!
How exactly do you experience Absolute Infinity if it's really infinite unless it's simply a finite amount of things being repeated over and over again to a point where you're like: "oh ok this is it then"? And I'm not actually making distinctions I do understand that everything is one but whether it be by perception or else reality holds different attributes and/or qualities. Language simply fails me here.
21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Absolute Infinity is not your ideas of it. All your ideas of Absolute Infinity are wrong. So stop.
True, I remember you saying this: "The craziest part is that space and time are just two of infinitely many aspects of infinity. Infinity is not subject to space or time. Those are finities." Which really is what I've been trying to say all along and if we go by this then you're agreeing with me I believe... I just think that it's dumb to think that Infinity is simply a 4-D Space-Time Universe program with biological agents running itself start to finish over and over again ad infinitum and boom that's it. This is also would contradict another thing you said about it which was: "No wonder the mind cannot grasp it. It's infinitely beyond the mind. A billion minds working for a billion years will never even make 0.00000000001% progress towards grasping it." If it were simply: Good and Love are absolutes, the universe is it, time is eternal and self-repeating... boom. Then I see no reason why a billion minds working for a billion years couldn't figure it out lol. By the way, you said a lotta other things about it which were beautifully put and really moved me. Cheers.
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20 hours ago, The0Self said:Utterly unknowable perfection. Can’t be spoken. The knowing is in the unknowing, you could say. There can’t be a conclusion — it’s infinite. “Experiences of the infinite,” as profound as they seem, are illusory, and they have absolutely no limit. It’s like a “Y” shape going up infinitely and it’s all just a dream, and yet there is no dream. Can’t be known and it can’t even not be known, as there’s no one separate from all there is to do that.
Yeah, I'd agree with this 100% based on my research. Sure, "research" may not account for an actual trip experience but it all comes from experienced... "Psychonauts" I guess you could call them. I understand that there's no limit to what we could possibly think, desire or experience. Among other things. However, my question really boils down to: is Infinity simply an infinite amount of finite things? The Universe is a finite thing so basically Infinity according to what people who have experienced it (allegedly) describe it as basically every possible configuration the Universe could be in (still a finite number despite it being humongous) multiplied by Infinity which causes repetition, infinite repetition. This explains reincarnation and eternal time. Or the eternal now if you prefer. By the way, we're talking relativistically here, not in absolutes, otherwise, this discussion is pointless because I could be both right and wrong (and right and wrong and right and wrong blah blah blah) as far as we can know.
But really, is God/Existence lacking in the novelty department? Most people's experiences lead me to believe it is so. Oh how many times have I read "time dilated during the trip and I felt like I had done this 'xyz thing' a million times before" (reincarnation). Are we doomed to experience the Universe forever? Why can't reality or God create infinitely many new complex things one absolutely different from the other so it never runs out of things to experience? And I don't mean in the sense of alien worlds in different planets and parallel universes where the water is color orange and stuff, no, I mean literally a whole 'nother reality that wouldn't make any sense at all if we were to somehow experience it, but it would to those who inhabit it. Why isn't the mystery of creation infinite? new thing after new thing all incomprehensible to those that only experience one finite reality at a time (say us), and then some. I hope this makes sense.
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Hey there, hope all is well. I will try not to make this post too long but there are some things that I wonder and constantly ask and research about myself regarding reality (or Absolute Infinity as Leo calls it) that I can't seem to find an answer to. And really I feel like close to no one wonders about it for some reason. Anyway, here we go:
I assume there are a few things about Infinity that we can all agree with, and that is that it is absolutely infinite, it's paradoxical, it's nonsensical, it's unlimited and not bound by anything at all as it all there is.
Basically, if we were to reduce it to language or concepts it's more like magic and divinity than it is science or equations A.K.A. it cannot be understood.
Now here comes the tricky part... apparently reality is infinite because it has nothing to bound it otherwise it wouldn't be the ultimate reality. At the same time, it is everything and nothing. 'Nothing' being absolutely nothing at all; void of qualities. What then, is the "everything" side of it according to us? I feel like people describe their "infinity" trip report experiences as simply never-ending/eternal rather than IT being infinitely many more. And by that, I don't mean the usual "time is infinite", "space is infinite", "everything that can happen exists simultaneously" that I've read many many many times over. No. I mean like there being infinitely many more beyond what we can conceive. People describe Absolute Infinity as either a multiverse of universes or an infinite amount of finite things. And boom there you have it, that's it that's Absolute Infinity/Reality. If it is unlimited and has nothing to be bound by then there should be many more "things" than a 4D Space-Time Universe even in all its different configurations. Infinitely so. People say "everything that can be, is", the "can" being restricting. In infinity, there shouldn't be no "can be's" because there's nothing outside of it to bound the "can's", rather, it should be "everything is because it is", point.
I read a trip report here, saying that the matter that created the universe did so because it had nothing else to do and nowhere else to go. Couldn't just "God" decide to wipe it if it wanted to? It could just create it back from the nothingness if it wanted to at some point. It doesn't have to make sense because something can come from nothing, just because, for no reason at all.
What I'm trying to say is, Absolute Infinity and the "why is reality the way it is?" question do not blend together. It is because it is and it is also infinitely more, and not. And beyond. Or at least it should be.
What is beyond the "can be's"? What is beyond the "it is this way because XYZ excuse"? Why is it either duality or non-duality and not infinitely more in between those states as well as previously and after them? Why is it either good or bad and not an infinite amount of other "emotions" that are no better or worse than the 2 main ones we know and can experience? Why would reality be a fractal and not infinitely beyond it? Why would Absolute Infinity be the ending point and not something beyond it? Surely we can't conceive there being something beyond Absolute Infinity because we can't understand it but we don't have to... and who's to say there isn't?
If you can't make sense of what I just said: is Absolute Infinity a complete mystery in the sense that at some point after "my" death or multiple deaths I will no longer wake up in this Universe as a human and instead be or experience something that we as humans have absolutely and will never have any point of reference for? No spatial dimensions, no senses, no concepts, etc (what we could boil down our existence to)... and despite this, whatever this other thing is it wouldn't be abstract, it would be... something else entirely? And then something new again and again ad infinitum. Or, is Absolute Infinity simply Dual/Non-dual 4D Space-Time Universe(s), self-repeating for eternity because there's nothing else that could've been? This contradicts what some describe this Infinity to be like.
I'd love the input of people who feel, think, or are completely sure they've experienced "All-That-Is" or "Absolute Infinity" whatever that may be for them. Thanks!
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On 7/7/2021 at 6:05 AM, gettoefl said:the great thing about infinity is that even when you have been doing stuff for as near to infinite time as you want, there is still an infinite amount of time and possibilities still ahead of you, better still there is zero chance of every getting repeats, has there ever been or could there be two humans with identical dna? it could not happen since we all come from a distinct family tree
Brings to mind the words of the last verse of the beautiful Amazing grace:
When we've been there ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we first begunQuick question, have you personally experienced this while on Psychs or is this just something you think is likely to be the case? I've read literally hundreds of trip reports and I'm still not sold on this idea since it kind of contradicts others... how I wish it didn't though. Apparently some people have broke through and become God/Infinity/All That Is/Everything and Nothing, whatever you like to call it. Apparently they reach a state of omniscience. They even say they "knew everything that was, is, and ever will be". That's not possible unless experiences are finite. If they were infinite, you could never know everything as it's not a set number of things/events/experiences. So, are time and space the only infinite things in creation? While experiences and things that could exist aren't? I always thought infinity was infinite in every way, meaning, there's an infinite number of inconceivable things to, us humans, for example. Infinite colors, dimensions, unimaginable things, etc. Is there or is there not a limit? Can there be something that hasn't always been? Some argue no, Leo says "God does create". Leo if you're here I'd love your POV on this. Thanks in advance.
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What is that supposed to mean? I know it's not the whole movie, I literally said that there are actors going through awful stuff and not getting a happy ending. Has not been the case for me personally otherwise I wouldn't be typing this right now. Can you expand on the "unexpected plot twists" and "surprising revelations"? Do you see the future?
I don't care about guessing honestly, in fact, what I want is to just give myself (from my Godself to my ego-self) enough knowledge so that I can have peace of mind that I won't be getting sawed in half by a criminal in this life or that I'll have to see my future kid(s) die before me. You know, horrible things you don't come back from. And that I have the capacity to make my outlandish goals happen. That's it, literally. Just enough to function properly here and from a place of happiness instead of fear.