Mixcoatl

Your comment made me LOL. Because certainly it's the same question.

Alright, let me rewrite the question — crystal clear: I get non-duality. I resonate with it. I’ve seen it, I’ve been it. I understand there’s no such thing as time. Everything arises in nowhere, in no-time. That’s clear to me. A picture can appear without time. A flavor, a color, an emotion — they don’t need a timeline. They just pop into awareness. But what about a vibration? What about a song? A vibration demands change. It is change. And change implies a before and an after — some sort of transition. And that, by definition, sounds like time. Now, I know what you’ll say: “The past isn’t happening. It’s just memory. Just imagination. Just illusion.” And I agree with that — 100%. But here’s the paradox that keeps punching me in the chest: If the past state of a vibration isn’t real, If only the present state of it exists, Then how can something like a vibration exist at all? Why do we hear movement — pitch, oscillation, fluctuation — when the very structure of vibration relies on something that supposedly doesn’t exist? You get it?

I get everything you’re saying about dreams — really, I do. It reminds me of that analogy Rupert Spira uses about Mary and Jane... Everything that appears is in nowhere and in no time, yes, so far we agree. I logically understand that time doesn’t exist. And it’s not just theory: I’ve experienced the eternal NOW firsthand — with LSD, with Bufo. Those moments are undeniable. And I appreciate the full explanation. Really. But here's the thing — here's the core of what won’t let me sleep: How the fuck do vibrations exist if there’s no time? when I hear a sound, it is always accompanied by a vibration, for any crazy reason. I can verify it in an oscilloscope. Any kind of vibration — not just sound, not just scientific definitions — any vibration implies change. And for change to happen, doesn’t there have to be time? But time doesn’t just not exist — it’s not even an illusion. It’s just... not there. That’s the wall I keep crashing into. You say, “things are just appearing and happening.” But then you also say, “how could that happen without there being time and space? It never really happened” Wait... what? So I never existed as a kid? But I’m here now? And when the experience of me as an old man appears... will this version of me never have existed from that perspective? Maybe I need to keep digging. Maybe I’m missing something. But from where I’m standing right now, vibrations feel undeniable. Change feels undeniable. You shake a table and you will feel the effect of that vibration in your hands. Even if time’s not real, something is shifting. And that something is messing with me. It's not as easy as saying: "nothing exists and that thing about frequencies and vibrations are just narratives appearing in imagination" Sorry if I’m being stubborn. But this goddamn question has been haunting my mind for way too long.

Then. the now is all the times joint together in the same thing called now, right? That's the core of my question. what the hell is NOW? is it more fundamental than the "screen"? NOW is the same thing as consciousness? how do you know all the frequencies exist at the same time? Sorry for asking this question but I can't grasp that idea.

This is absolutely mind-blowing. Yesterday in my bufo trip, I was totally convinced that space and time appear as the same thing. I was also convinced that I am every experience I was experiencing. however, I think I still can't grasp "THE THING". I need to smoke more Thanks for your words

I love your logic and it fits the experience of living the present moment: past is just a thought, not the actuality. However, your logic is circular: Time doesn't exist -> hence, nothing can exist -> hence, time and space cannot exist. The thing that blows my mind is when someone says "nothing happened". Yesterday I smoked 5-meo and sounds certainly happened!! The same today. Vibrations exist and by definition, they imply CHANGE of a state. I half agree with you.

Alright folks, I’m not denying that the qualia I’m experiencing is happening right now, raw and direct. That’s not in question. But let’s not dismiss the patterns and correlations we constantly perceive by waving them off as “just stories” — like some pseudo-science fairytale. The truth is, there are correlations. When you hear a sound, there's usually a vibration involved. And yes, that vibration is also a kind of qualia — another flavor of experience. But here's the kicker: vibration implies change. And change implies time. That’s where my question punches through: I’ve touched the eternal now — I’ve been there — but what the hell is that “now”? To me, the “Now” isn’t some razor-thin slice on a timeline. It’s not a damn point. I think the Now is the entire axis. The whole thing. Forget the sound for a second. Here’s the real question: How the hell does a phenomenon — a form of qualia like vibration — even appear, if it seemingly requires time to unfold? I mean, if everything is happening in the eternal now, how does something that needs change over time even show up in experience? That’s the paradox I’m stuck with.

This is absolutely amazing. I find beauty in such things as numbers. thanks

Been thinking about it What is a number? where are they? are they an illusion? is 1 apple 2 things when cut?

LOL

It’s not healthy at all. It’s actually very psycho-addictive—contrary to what a lot of hippies like to say. I quit weed for many reasons: it scatters your mind, turns you into a chronic procrastinator, and makes everything that should matter feel like it doesn’t. Your priorities just dissolve.

Science often invokes the concept of emergentism (don't know if this is the right word in english)—both strong and weak—to explain how the organization of parts gives rise to properties that the parts themselves don't possess. Take water, for example: liquidity doesn’t reside in individual hydrogen or oxygen atoms. It's only when they’re arranged in a particular way that this quality emerges. Or consider a clock: its ability to tell time is not found in any single gear, but in the systematic arrangement of all its components. I agree with the idea of emergence—but not in the way science typically frames it. Because liquidity, and even “telling time,” are mental constructs perceived by a conscious being. And if we truly follow the logic of emergentism, then we must also accept that matter itself is emergent—from subparticles. For centuries, the atom was considered the fundamental building block of reality. But if we’re consistent, the atom is just as much an emergent phenomenon as the "time" displayed on a clock. There’s no essential difference between an atom and the hour a clock tells. Both arise from structured interpretation.

This whole forum is for weirdos. hahaha

Yes, wtf!! I can't fully grasp it!

@Reciprocality The agency that holds the number is a mind, I understand. I'ts very abstract the idea! thanks

@Yimpa beautiful

Being isolated can be also harmful. I've been isolating myself for long and I think i'm starting to get crazy. Moderation is important.

Don't pay attention to them! There's people (not only skeptics) that just want to be right bc they only repeat without being sure of what they are saying. skepticism is ok but first you have to be skeptic on your beliefs.

I believe in universe but for the sake of peace I sometimes say I believe in God, knowing I'm referring to the universe. I sometimes say "who cares?" in order to avoid exhausting conversations.

I remember that in my last Bufo trips, somewhere after the peak, this phrase would arise: "This is the Truth!" But then I wonder... Who was saying that? There was no "me" left. So why did words appear at all? Why did that declaration —so absolute, so final— emerge from the silence? And now, from this sober state, I can’t say the same. I barely remember what happened there. Just fragments. Just echoes. But something inside me was scorched by that fire. And even if I can’t hold it in words, I can’t pretend I was never there.

Exactly. That's what I mean. I have to accept that is not a matter of being fool or smart, directly. In some sense it is! It's like I can't go trying to socialize and try to talk about music theory when others just want to talk about sex or other stuff that is the common interest in average people. But I have to recognize that I really have a problem that is anxiety and overthinking about the situation and as you said, emotional maturity. That's one thing I am working on a lot in this stage of my life. Thanks for letting me see that.

I'm not here to explain why I consider myself a very intelligent person — just take my word for it. The point is, it has led to a lifetime of rejection. Girls break up with me every time I start revealing the way I think. New people quickly lose interest when I talk about philosophy. Old friends have stopped reaching out. It feels like this world is simply not designed to integrate true difference... and that realization is deeply painful. Have you found a way to socialize without sacrificing your true self?

My post express a TRUE necessity that I have. What's wrong on saying I am a very intelligent person? I AM!! and it's not arrogance IT'S RECOGNITION. Ppl here smoked a hit of DMT and they feel they can correct others as if spirituality was orthopedic. Who is more arrogant? Maybe I'm wrong on making a correlation between intelligence and my pain of not being able to socialize (thanks to the one that let me see that) and precisely that is the meaning of my post.

Thanks, I know it could be a problem to say that, but also, that's definitely my strength

Quoting Sadhguru is not very smart. hahaha. And that is so stupid to think that I have to think I am fool to be smart. I'm very pissed of this narrative of fake humbleness. In the other hand, when you don't recognize the validity of your intelligence, they tell you that you have the impostor syndrome. For me, it is very wise to recognize my strengths but also my weaknesses, that's why I'm opening myself in this forum.