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Check it. You about to lose yo goddamn mind. The tape measure block is reality appearing. This might be like if you are looking at red, or hearing a sound, that's the appearing reality. By default there isn't any sense of distance or space. The idea of spacial distance is a sense element added onto reality. Which makes it feel like "that wall is a metre away", etc. It is only a sense element. But this sense, of spacial distance, cannot be achieved without imagining a 3D space in which to place it... You can't take any distance out of this tape measure without projecting it out into space, making a "there" and a "here". Like so: The tape portion here is representing the imaginary because it represents the SENSE of space and distance. It is only a sense like any other idea, thought, emotion, color, etc. The actual appearing reality is still just the block. But because the block has been distanced from another point, it has created a "there" and a "here". You can't have an "out there" without the contrast, real or imagined, of another point which is at a different position felt to be "here". The entire sense of there being an I character, is more sensory experience like the sense of distance is. And the idea of it is created at the imaginary and not actually existent "here" location. You will never find such a thing as an "I", it's imaginary. It is all built on multiple ideas like, for ex, "I" am "here" seeing a plant which is "over there". The plant is not in actual fact being viewed, the plant is the tape measure block, it's what's already there. "You" is an imaginary "passenger" created around a coil of ego, which positions itself at the imaginary point of "here" when reality comes with a SENSE of being "over there". Enjoy.

Dude you know this forum is just people repeating what you say and watching random gurus all day. It's the same crowd who attend pickup seminars. Creepy really... "Buddhism" will have the same issue because it's popular on New Age bookshelves at the store for soccer moms to read. The message is still probably more true... Look at the insane questions here and at Rupert Spira seminars caused by people being told about the secret higher "Self" character. It's just not possible for anyone to think of words like "self" "consciousness" without it having a me to it. It's an inferior teaching. Self is like drug trip "becoming one with everything", which is losing the sense of literal attachment causing the mind to sort of mingle an idea of self into a borderless liquidy thing that covers all appearing phenomena.

It's because it's true. But they don't give a fuck about "teaching" people or w.e. most people don't. Ruper Spira cares, you can tell the contrast. Buddha seemed to care also. People who care try to use metaphors and imagery to meet people at their level and guide them. Not just sit there using loft words and phrasing to sound "spiritual".

Their "absolute truth" experiences are almost all ones which have happened to me because I used drugs way too much. The phenomena of not existing, seems beyond, for real. Anything which does go away, obviously is not a vital component. If I can go away and reality is still there, then I can't possibly be needed at all... I thought Frank Yang was just a crazy person. Wasn't he banned for saying self is completely bollocks and promoting the Buddhist line?

That's Vedanta bullshit bro. Self inquiry is Vedanta garbage. Buddha correctly saw through their faith. Honestly I think "Soma" (religious Hindu drink) was something like Changa. Advaita Vedanta is shockingly similar to n,n-DMT. INCLUDING the visuals. God figures with many arms and heads. All sorts. Probably an entire belief system based around the true-r than sober perspective shift induced by deemz.

Stop watching videos.

People who believe in this are always having "NeW aWaKeNiNgS!!!!" because all of the "aWaKeNiNgS!!!" were bullshit. They just smoked some drugs and developed spiritual ego. Creepy in threads with actual schizophrenics when people are competing to act "more open minded" by reinforcing the schizo saying the celebs in the TV are telling him to kill himself. "Yeah man maybe, I'm open minded enough to believe in that".

Cope. Srs. Ego defence mechanism. Pure cope.

This is the EXACT phenomena I'm describing btw: To the letter the same thing, is what happened about uh, 3 or 4 weeks ago. I've used DMT hundreds of times, since. Hm. 2020 I think? Spring of the first lockdown. Last use was about one year ago. I can def explain the phenomenal experiences of a DMT breakthrough. The precise exact way by which you become "sizeless" especially. And also the sense of identification with nothingness. I can explain that with precision also. Easily, on request. EXACTLY in easy language the steps which cause some of that phenomena. This was different. It ALL feels like transcendent shit though. DMT breakthroughs and repeating "Brahman" in a heavy hallucinogenic trance stroking my face like a fuckin' freak, it ALL feels to be something very real and transcendent and ALL is to a degree. That specific phenomena, just like the video, and also the other kinds of breakthrough trips, they're all insanely warped versions of typical perspective so....... I don't really have a clue it's all so weird.

Someone DM'd me this because of the other thread. I feel like I explain things amazingly well but probably I don't and actually suck at it. Probably whoever this random dude is has done so better. That seems to happen when sense of spatial relation is lost. When surround sound type effect is with everything so even vision doesn't seem to be in front of you.

You don't mean I, you mean the wordless thing. "I" is just thought which can echo within that. I I I I I I I I I. Hm. Everyone who "awakens" does so into the literally exact same thing. There's no such thing as "awakenings" plural. It's one place and reality people die into again and again and again. Anyone who has a "higher awakening" just didn't actually """awaken""" the previous time. Why is it so hard for people to understand what same is. Why do they have to think of a little bubble them going back into something like uhm... Like as though them going back pushes a "self" back there such that the wordless thing that is, becomes different in some way because now they are in it. Or their little bubble has merged with it, whatever. Why can't the general public understand that the self goes away. And the beingness, doesn't change one iota from it. Whether 100000 people awaken into it at once, or if everyone is a robot save you. It never alters.

@Razard86 Honestly the flower is really easy to explain I could show to a random dude at the pub, and this would be the easiest way to show it. My initial post nailed it also. Any random person would understand the meaning in minutes. 3D images make people feel a sense of spatial relativity. Like the tape measure. Instantly looks like I'm inside that dude's skull looking at an enemy soldier 20 feet away. Games are designed that way on purpose, "immersion". It is the easiest explanation possible to just cross out the I entity with any representation possible. Red is red, and the idea of a you seeing it is just a thought. There's not an ACTUAL I entity back here. What I'm saying cannot be explained any easier IMO. It is THE easiest way for anyone to just be like "oh yeah I know what you're trying to say". I have legit no idea why you're fixated on me representing the ghost in the shell imaginary "I" with a stick person lol wtf man.

I'm not trying to put an X on the body of the human or w.e. it's a representation of first person perception. And that image there, I like the 2D drawings because you see how that image, despite being flat, still feels like you are back "here" inside the dude's skull, while the building is over "there". I just like my little sketch, I want to cause the killing off of the sense of any relative spatial positioning in people. No foreground or background even on a 2D cartoon as the human mind will bite down and never let go of any possible perceived 3D spatial positioning data.

You're all psychonaut people yeah? Or meditating people w.e... Put in some in-ear earbuds, and focus on the LOCATION of the sound. This is really easy on drugs btw, usually drug trips outright cause this. But you should soon hear the music EVERYWHERE. Yet also nowhere because whenever you try to pinpoint a location, you find it is not actually located there... You can take the entire soundstage and move it around your head. You can make it so you feel like the music is behind you, on top of your skull, in front of you. You can literally move it around anywhere in perception, so you are not located in any 360 degree relation to it. Now notice sight. You see how hard it is to do the same with sight? You can't make it feel like the sight is happening behind you, or on top of your skull etc. Not like you can with music. You can force yourself to think worded thoughts that it's behind you or w.e... But nah, try to do exactly the same thing with sight as with sound. Try to completely lose your 360 degree positioning in the sight. If anyone has never ever experienced that before, it will be very overpowering if you pull that off. Because the only way to lose the 360 degree position in relation to sight is to completely erase the idea of yourself from it. And I THINK then you will see what I am trying to mean. Because it follows naturally. Human spatial positioning is like, 99% based on vision + tactile sense, usually both work together hence how you feel to end at the edge of the image of your arms you see right now...... Losing body feeling causes the feel of infinity/sizelezsness, but not necessarily loss of 360 degree positioning visually. E.g. even on Salvia, when everything goes 2D, there is STILL a sense of visual space. And I think that's what causes the psychotic laughter, because your brain literally cannot comprehend it, as everything is totally 2D yet it is sensing spatial separation. So it just loops over itself and goes psychotic.

Being is the thing that is. Red is red, blue is blue, the visual image of a dog we see is the image, the sound of a tree falling in a forest is the sound of a tree falling in a forest. Red is never seen. Blue is never seen. Images of dogs are never seen. The sound of trees falling is never heard. The image of red, blue, and dog, stand alone unobserved. They are not "seen" or "observed" ever, never ever, yet they appear, because what they are is the very thing itself. It is what they ARE. There is nothing to the appearance but their appearance. There is never a ghost in the shell seeing them. Nobody has ever heard a tree fall and they never could. The tree falling sound is unto itself, when """you""" hear it, the idea that you are hearing it is another appearance. That is the ego. There is NEVER a you hearing the sound. There is the sound. The sound is the sound. And the idea a you entity is hearing it is the idea a you entity is hearing it. Red and images of dogs and sounds of pianos and the idea of "I am hearing this sound" or "I am" or "God" are ALL appearances of reality, and are all standing completely utterly alone as the very thing itself. You have never had a thought. Thoughts ARE. There is no "you" entity involved. Ever. Only the idea "I am thinking X" etc. The "I" is a thought. I is subsequent to the fact of being. Literally take an image of a flower or whatever, and completely delete the idea of yourself from it. But leave the image. Completely eradicate the idea there is a person back "here" seeing a flower out there. Or even that the out there is really here (and intertwined with the imaginary creature placed "here"). "Out there" does not exist. Spatial dimension creates the perceived separation, but it's unitive like dreamscapes. There also isn't a you in any dream. The dream mountain is the dream mountain, the perception of distance is the perception of distance, thoughts are never thought by anybody. Everything is the very thing itself. There is no out there to "collapse" into an in here. It's impossible to do because there ISN'T an out there and in here to collapse together. So you literally cannot do it. You can eradicate the sensation of space which is one of the things which appear.

We got the metric system, we wouldn't know what the fuck a quarter pounder is. But we still call a Big Mac a Big Mac.

I mean this yes. It seems really easy to convey, and I can't tell if people do see what I mean or not. I'm trying really hard to say red is red. Blue is blue. Sound is sound. That the sound of a tree falling in a forest makes a sound because the sound IS LITERALLY THE VERY THING THAT IT IS. The "somebody" being there to witness it does not even exist. There has never been somebody who EVER has heard a tree fall in a forest. The tree falling IS THE VERY THING ITSELF. I don't know if people know what I mean, because they are saying stuff about "observing" the sound when the tree falls. As though there's something other than the thing itself. But I'm trying very hard to convey otherwise. Leo discussing I's, but he did a video at some point, similar, about how when reality creates a tree it doesn't make atoms and people and eyes. Just 100% direct TREE. Image of tree in total absolute complete absence of the "one who sees it". Complete absence of observation..... The messed up fears and beliefs caused by Atman style writings is obvious by glancing at thread titles. If infinity X, when Y what will Z, what if infinite suffering, what if God ABC'd to the DEF?

Yeah? So then what does it mean when the I stops existing yet somehow impossibly other appearances do not? You see how easily sound loses position on drugs. Humans are like sighthounds, our vision is so deep rooted for our navigation of the world, that even on hard drugs, you see how that is stubborn in comparison to sound? A low level breakthrough trip and sound is everywhere. Yet the sights still appear to be appearing in front as though we are on a cinema seat watching a movie. This is positional sense, this is unrelated to identity sense. What if the surround sound effect happened with vision too? That the I character watching it stopped being there. What does that mean then? The fact whatever is appearing is appearing is absolute truth (tm). The "I" is not. The fact the "I" is APPEARING as sense etc, it absolute truth. It does not mean the entity is actually there. It means the thought/idea of it is.

The tree falling in the forest IS the thing itself. NOBODY HAS EVER HEARD A TREE FALL IN A FOREST. NEVER. The sound of a tree falling is what IS. The sound is what reality is painted with. It is never ever ever ever observed and never has been. There has never been anybody who saw a sight or heard a sound. The sight and sound are what IS. The THOUGHT or idea of self is appearing exactly like those sights and sounds. The thought IS the thought. The sound IS the sound. They have absolutely positively literally ZERO additives. NONE. Sound appears UNHEARD. NEVER HAS BEEN HEARD. Sound is never heard yet there is still sound. Please tell me you understand what I mean.

Watch: The flower can continue to appear exactly like that when you DELETE the ENTIRE perception that there is an I, that there is seeing, or that there is a person. You can literally DELETE all notion of there being any I at all. Completely delete it. And reality does not stop appearing. The flower can continue to appear completely and utterly in your absence. Nobody seeing it yet it looks like a flower. Reality is painted with colors and sounds, the colors and sounds are the things themselves. Reality is NOT anything other than WHAT IT IS. "I" thought is "I" thought. Red is red. Flower image is flower image. Nobody and nothing needs to exist coinciding with any of these things. Do you understand what it means? That there be a seen object floating around nowhere with literally nobody seeing it? Seen WITHOUT seeing? Do you know the way sound becomes omnipresent, nowhere, and everywhere on the Deemz? Do the same with vision. Stop the perception of sights appearing to you, in front of you, or ANYWHERE in relation to you. Sight is a motherfucker. Humans are like sighthounds, it's our primary sense for positioning in the 3D world, so even flatland Salvia can have a me + out there perception. Fuckin' click drag del it like the imaginary thought that it is.

Here, I just want you to see what I mean. Look in a mirror. I know what you are all thinking probably: So we know that "I" is not the person in the mirror. Okay. But what about the "I" that is "here" looking into the mirror? Oh. Now what if the "I" here looking into the mirror ALSO wasn't present. What if there was ONLY the image of the mirror and person in it, COMPLETELY unobserved. Completely unseen by anybody or anything. STILL APPEARING. But with no I in the person in the mirror, AND no I back here looking at the person in the mirror through your eyes. ONLY the appearance of reality. ONLY. That the seen elements appear but there is literally nothing seeing them. That you + red = the appearance of the color red is pure fiction, that you = red is fiction, that red IS red. RED IS RED. RED IS RED. RED IS RED. RED IS RED. RED IS NOT "I". RED IS RED. THE "I" THOUGHT IS THE "I" THOUGHT. THERE IS NO I. THERE IS NO I BUT THE THOUGHT OF "I". RED AND I ARE BOTH APPEARANCES. THERE IS NO I. THERE IS NO SEER. THERE IS NO THINKER. DELETE THYSELF. SEEN THINGS ARE NOT SEEN. SEEN THINGS ARE THE SEEN THINGS. IT IS WHAT IT IS AND NOTHING EXTRA.

I believe you are describing DMT trip perspective shifts. That is the loss of center. That is why it feels infinite, because the sense of size and border is gone. Usually in sober states of being, the ego attaches itself to positions in the sensory space. So for example even though the entirety of your sensory field is imaginary, the ego attaches itself only to the shape of the body appearing within it. So it feels like you end at your arms and that the wall and such is "outside". When the ego loses the ability to do this, that is exactly what you and others are experiencing on DMT. It has nowhere to attach itself so loses border and just sort of leaks out and becomes totally malleable. So it extends to your ENTIRE sensory experience, and there is no perceived border. Hence infinite. Do you see that is exactly what is happening when you breakthrough on DMT? That is not ego death, it is loss of center. I don't believe there is an absolute I. I think all forms of I are tacked onto what is by default without one. Redness doesn't come packaged with an I. The I is the ego. The idea/thought of self that is appearing, is adding the I on as though it were more than an appearance but an actual entity sitting there either: Watching red, being red, or comingling with red. What would happen if you lost the ability to perceive any sense of self? Since the sense of self is exactly that, it is a "sense". What is the self you perceive was fuckin' DELETED completely but somehow red was still there. Did you know that can happen? And then if the red can remain when there is zero perception of any self, I, life, person, how can any of those be said to be necessary components in anything? If red CAN appear without you, no matter how brief, it shouldn't be possible at all. If the you was in fact the alleged ground of reality.

I'm not sure it is possible, for the reason that there is then nothing to awaken. Like neo-advaita speak... Which is considered useless communication, but maybe it wouldn't be if the people using it weren't just arrogant pricks with extreme spiritual ego? If they spoke that way with the intention of the person understanding the words..... Hm.