RMQualtrough

Because you haven't found what "consciousness" is. If you found what it is, you'd know why anything even exists and whether it continues beyond death. Right now you still think you are a person who posseses consciousness or a "soul", even though your brain, which you can fuck with to experience cool shit, is as much dead matter as a rock.

People are intending to find truth and facts. Nondual reality isn't made up magic Wiccan shit, you wouldn't go on a physics forum discussing wizardry. I really enjoy seeing the New Age people in real life, their subculture is great. And it smells great because of all the candles and incense... I often walk around their stores to see all the weird and wonderful shit. Feels like Hogwarts. But it is bullshit LOL.

Manyness can only appear through limitation. There can never be two nothings. There can be many limited forms though. When a form loses limit it becomes nothing. Which is everything.

I just saw your thread after my question. One thing I would recommend then is going to very busy yet quiet places. Train stations are especially good, as there are lots of people walking around or waiting, and background noises etc, but not so much noise it overwhelms your ability to reflect. When waiting at train platforms I have enjoyed some of my most profound sober moments. You can understand that all there is to the people around you is the sight of their body, the hearing of their voice. You can close your eyes (not on the platform LOL, but like sitting on a bench there) and notice that all of the people are now merely sounds, and then imagine losing hearing. You can imagine the I-ness within each of the characters. I don't know how long that sticks for, but whenever I have to take a train journey I do this.

Thanks. You might find it interesting to know that meeting an "astral entity" during my religious awakening with DMT, there was a simultaneity to it that is very different from normal perception. On the latter end of the trip, as I came out of it a bit, a Hindu deity appeared to me. I'm not sure which one but it was blue with a forehead dot. Anyway, there was a very bizarre duality of self, because this entity seemed to be far more powerful and important than me. But infinitely less powerful than Me. At the same time as my character spoke to this being as though I were an underling, another aspect of me recognized that this deity was an appearance within me, and that it was ultimately unreal. It did not speak back to me but I spoke at it, asking if I should share this knowledge with other people. The thing asking was my character. But I also knew it to be a conversation between myself and myself.

I'm really curious as to what anyone thinks raising baseline consciousness would result in. I don't understand what it means.

Subjective Solipsism is surely the result of a finite character believing itself to be infinite. All experienced things are unquestionably finite, including so-called inner experience. And a character may take themselves, an appearance within it, to be all there is and to itself be infinite. Surely that is a mistake.

I don't follow. Pure consciousness, the thing with which you observe everything = nothing. That is not a metaphor or simile. How can nothing end? And if all something were to disintegrate back into nothing... It would cause the exact conditions that necessitate the existence of things. And thus there will always be things.

You can know. How could nothing end?????

Nothing = without limit. Pure creation itself. No limitation makes nothingness unstable... Because there is no limit or finitude to it, there is no boundary that traps it as being nothing and not something. Things are the opposite, things have limit and borders. Even infinite sets are sets of one type of thing and not another. When a limit ends, it ceases to exist, it becomes nothing, which is everything.

Yeah well the "most people" say that because they saw it on Reddit or in a book lol. Appearances aren't made of anything and there is nothing behind them, the substance of appearances is nothing. The substance of nothing is nothing. This is far clearer, explainable, and intuitive than the "is-ness" semantic choice. Something is nothing appearing limited. All limit creates thingness. Limit disappears, bubble bursts. No bubble of consciousness, bubbles of limitation.

Is there a point to it anyway? The demise of my character dissolves every aspect of it back into being everything and everywhere... What of my spiritual practices or apparent knowledge are retained or relevant? Surely this is all an intellectual quest, especially when going in VERY deep beyond the character-useful knowledge.

The idea of going into mindscapes and altering consensus reality happens when an ego tries to commandeer control of the ship, without realizing it is itself an apparition and nothing more........

Materialism is actually outright impossible, and can be proven with perhaps 10 minutes of effort. I don't think many people think things like mathematics are a physical substance. Substance is not only unlikely, but impossible.

Well the thing is, I know that I am nothingness. This isn't a theory or speculation or delusion. That is what I fundamentally am. I'm a skeptic type of person, I do not believe in magick and bullshit, but this I know...... And there seems to be implications of that. How could nothingness end? Even begin? Ever be created or destroyed? It seems untouchable. I would need further logical proof confirming that, but it really does seem to me that thingness = finity, nothingness = non-finity, eternity, and so on.

Sense of identity is only one aspect of being human. If you had zero ego you might have to live in a hospital being fed like a vegetable, as you wouldn't be able to discern where you end and other things begin. That might be partially overcome by learning though. If I learn that the fleshy stuff is my body etc, perhaps you could navigate. Life would not be very enjoyable though. It would be very difficult to do anything.

But that's the thing, "you" can't access it. You won't exist anymore, you won't be in any super-state... You will be in my limited one, everyone's limited one. You'll be in Richard Dawkins and the Dalai Llama. You'll be everywhere and everything. Which means the whole and all limitation within it simultaneously. That is what you are right now. There won't be any difference. You already are the whole appearing as something finite. When something finite ceases to be finite, it is completely dissolved into the whole. It ceases to exist. It's nothing, which is the only non-finite thing there is, and is what you fundamentally refer to when you say "I".

@Matthew85 Well those limits which do still exist which keep "Matthew" there, are the very limits which prevent Matthew from BEING the consensus reality, the thing which you say you are unable to impact with psychedelic imagination. When all limits of Matthew vanish, Matthew will be watching me type on this screen, and watching Leo vape DMT for the 50th time this week. He will BE everywhere and everything, he will be every limit and the whole.

@Matthew85 When you reach those states, assuming it is like the void, what will be happening is for ex: your body is taken out of you (word order intentional), sense of ego ceases, unity felt. Things like that. The experienced "expansion" is largely because of the first portion if I know what you refer to. When sober, your mind plays a trick by using sensory clues to anchor your awareness into an apparent location. Example, you feel you are living inside your skin because you can feel the edges of your body. When your body is removed from you, the mind does not find anywhere it can anchor the sense of awareness to (this sense always being a trick), and so it becomes entirely sizeless. Experienced directly as a sense of expansion, as it expands from beyond feeling to end at the edge of your body when your body is no longer felt. The becoming of it, unity, that is where many elements of the character ARE dissolved (which is experienced as the mentioned expansion), and so Matthew gets closer to ceasing to have any limit whatsoever (AKA being "pure consciousness" AKA nothing AKA infinity). If all limit of Matthew is removed, Matthew ceases to exist.

It's obvious what this is. Matthew85 is a character in this. How is Matthew85 going to become or alter the whole universe? The character of Matthew85 will only ever be a character in it. "It" is him. But he can't become it. Only dissolve back into it......... And then Matthew85 ceases to exist completely, such that he appears dead or unconscious.

What did you experience when you did this?

I did many high dose psychedelic combinations. But this time I took perhaps one hit of DMT while I had been doing a little exercise. I had in-ear noise cancelling earphones in, with meditative flute music. Stereotypical zen stuff. And while sober I tried to "locate" the area in space where the sound was happening... I found that I was able to shift its location around by imagining the source to be in different areas. E.g. I could make it seem the sound was playing in front of my head, on top of my head, or at the back of my neck. I could shift it around like that, but never find the actual location of it. As I did this sober, I took only a small hit of DMT with my eyes still closed. The music was still playing. Some of the typical patterns emerged, a jester fellow pointed at me and this is when it started. When it pointed into the foreground at "me", it forced me to stop focusing on what is out there such as the jester, and feel myself here. The space in which the music was happening became sizeless. There was no location where it was happening. It was just happening... Various images and thoughts unfolded, but all of them unfolded before me. Like the jester which pointed into the foreground and made me recognize myself here, that anchor remained. It was like being on a park bench watching things happen in front of me. There was nothing at me or behind me. Every appearance was unfolding to me. And I WAS nothingness. The thingness was the objects and thoughts and sound and everything else. If it was a thing, it was observed by me. I was just purely nothing. I had no quality or dimension. Qualities and dimensions were all appearances before me. I remained rooted firmly and completely in the foreground. The me the jester had pointed to. It subsided at some point. But that is when I found myself and found that what I am is nothing. Void. Perhaps someone with good visualisation skills could recreate this sober, you just need a character to point into the foreground of your mind at you......

New Age is cope and bullshit. I enjoy perusing their cultures though. There's a shop here that sells all this kind of thing. Healing crystals, incense, you know, all the type of shit these people use. Statues of skeletons and other spooky stuff. It's one of my favorite stores... I like to see the people too. They're intriguing. I could never partake in any subcultures like goths, punks, new agers, bikers, etc, but I like to see them wandering around. I enjoy glimpsing their world....... To answer your question: It is clear and obvious bullshit and those people are lunatics.

God doesn't exist. There is nothingness, which is as you would expect, without limit, beginning, end, etc. It can't be created and it can't be destroyed, because it is nothing... Within it, there is limit, a consequence of its very own unlimited nature (meaning infinite potential, etc, as it naturally follows for several reasons), and this limit appears in the shape of forms. Your hand is one of those. So am I. So is Leo. So are you. So is your emotion. So is your thought. So is the wall. So is your phone. ANY THING is a limited finite appearance taking place within it. Some "things" (important to note) are not perceived and hence never appear as form. As an example, I don't think anything perceives subatomic particles in a qualitative way. These are still things, manifestations of nothing. This is important because many people think nonduality means that when you can't perceive something it doesn't exist, which is false. Like if you put a kettle on boil and leave the room it would never boil. These are misconceptions. It's about what things ARE in substance. The apparent thing ("consciousness") with which you observe everything is not a thing, but actual nothingness. Literal, pure, sheer, nothing. If you remove all objects of "your" awareness (for ease of understanding I phrase it that way), you the character cease to be. Your hand is not God. Your hand is a form out of nothingness. It is made of nothing (substances do not exist). Pure nothingness = creation itself. It can't help but create within itself because it is without limit. It has no choice: Wanting to create or not is itself an appearance (thought, desire) made of nothing and hence already a manifestation of it.

The word "imaginary" is confusing you. I don't actually know why Leo chooses the term. Instead of thinking "everything is imaginary", think "everything is immaterial in substance" and see if that is clearer... There has never been and never will be any such thing as a substance. Your mind-rendered hand and un-observed hand are made of the same thing: Nothing. They are made of nothing. Atoms are made of nothing. Thoughts are made of nothing. There isn't anything made of "stuff" fundamentally... That is what is being conveyed. You get that???