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@Nahm In "your" video "What Is A Self Referential Thought" time stamp 0:30 - 0:33 "you" said that "words only point to the actuality" and this is same what "I" mean as "hand" is concept and thought but the thing it is point at is not thought. "I" guess "we" are lost in word game, but in reality both of us understand what "we" are trying to communicate.

@Nahm "you" said "Thing... is a thought too." Thought of who? If answer "you" give is thought of God, "we" are speaking about same thing. If answer "you" give is thought of ego, "I" give follow up question and it is that if thing is thought of ego then whose egos thought it is.

@Nahm By reading "your" last comment "I" see that we already agree that "hand" is just made up word and that is thought, but the thing word "hand" is pointing at is not thought. To summarize words are pointers and thoughts, but the thing they try to describe is not thought. Words are like knifes that cut Universe to parts so we can know what "part" of it we are talking. In reality there are no "parts" because we made them in the first place. We agree @Nahm?

@VeganAwake"I" already told "ya" that "I" understand that "I" is imaginary, but it does not help only to know it without experiencing it and that was the whole thing "I" was asking help for.

@NahmIn Absolute sense everything except God/Consciousness/Nothingness is "thought" of it, but isn't it helpful first to recognise what is happening right now. Lot of spiritual teachings are misleading, because they try to say things as simple as possible. If "you" say for example that hand is thought. Okay. Hand is thought, but whose thought it is. It is not thought of ego. It is Thought of God. And if everything there is, is thought then it doesn't change anything, because that way it becomes nondual. For example it does not make sense to say that everything is dream unless we can compare it to something. There is still possibility that "you" mean hand as a concept is thought of ego and that "I" agree, because without thinking there is no difference between anything and there wouldn't be any names for the things. But while speaking me must say word "hand" so we can translate information.

@NahmYeah when "you" don't "see" "your" body then if "you" think about it, it becomes only thought, but by body "I" meant same thing as television and tree when they are absorbed. And during meditation "I" am just silent and "nothing" happens. Like Leo said hand is actual, but after "you" put it behind "your" back then if "you" see image of it then it is only thought, because it is not actual thing in this present moment.

@JosephKnechtWhat is useful is that "I" like the feeling of mystery when contemplating about anything and it does not even need to be spiritual thing. It feels like "I" am super smart detective. "I" love music and "I" also make it by myself, but still best vibe that there is, is that mysterious vibe where "you" see that something is off, but still "you" aren't sure what it really is. "I" will leave 2 ambient tracks for "you" if "you" would like same thing as "I" do. Also if someone does come up with more these kind of "timeless" and "mysterious" kind of tracks "I" am more that happy to be helped also on that.

@Spaceofawareness "I" am one who is aware of body, thoughts and mind. When "I" do self inquiry "I" have never found anything except "experience" that mystical "I" is aware of. To be honest "I" am not even sure that there is "I am", because "I" don't feel it anymore after "I" recognised it being only "thought". While "I" write this it feels kind of automatical process since there is no "I". So "I" am in weird place where "I" don't indentify "myself" as body, but neither as an Universe. It feels like the Observer of what happens right now is something beyond "me", but still the one who is writing now does not think it being that "me". So what am "I" then and am "I" really anywhere. Where is the "watcher" of this present moment? "I" know logically that the "perception" happens right at where it is and it does not come from anywhere and goes anywhere. It feels like "I" am missing something really simple right now. Simple way of saying what "I" mean now is that it feels like if we would take every sensation away from this moment nothing would be left, but they say that there would be still consciousness that is same thing as nothing.

@nistakeYeah "I" have came into same conclusion that time is "your" best employee in spiritual path, but "I" am just searching some extra boost so "I" would be more on the "edge". I guess it's just time for "me" to find something different to do while "I" continue having my old meditation habits.

@nistakeI have came into conclusion that "dream at night" and "dream at day" are just sequences of same "movie" or "game" however one wants to think it. I will try to to contemplate "your" question next time "I" contemplate things seriously. "I" have understood also that all "senses" that "I" "sense" are something that can't be "touched". "I" mean that everything in present moment is like transparent hologram and believing there is something "behind" it seems to me nonsense. Also "I" have "seen" that things are in 2d so if "I" watch "my" hand it is in same level of the "background", but getting "myself" to this same level so there wouldn´t be anything front of it is hard, because "I" don't exactly know how to change that. Also when "I" stared "my" hand for long enough "I" "sensed" that my hand was watching me and it was "alive". For some reason it appeared little spooky, but same time calming in "my" body. Also 2 times in bathroom "mirror image" stared back to me and "I" don't mean in logical sense. "I" mean it felt "alive" and somehow it felt like "I" was in other side of mirror also

@VeganAwakeYeah "I" have tried self-inquiry and "I" have had super stupid insight that what "I" am seeking for already "I" am. In both sides of question "who am I" or "what am I" is same thing and logically "I" understood that whatever "I" experience happens to "me" and therefore can't be "me" and also whatever is not happening to "me" in present moment is not "Actual" for me right now. Therefore "I" can't find "myself", but only be it silently, but it feels like this won't lead much anywhere since it's rational knowledge. And "I" also made up new self-inquiry game that is so easy anyone can do it. It's like playing hide and seek forcing the guy you seek for to step out. Ask in "your" mind "who am I" and answer to it by saying "me". So if "you" think it logically who says "me" in hide and seek. Some random stone or tree? Nope. Whatever says "me" is it. So what am "I" is basicly just word "me" and story that "I" am something rather emptiness or everything. But again "I" just got information "I" already had and have to start again what?. It's like asking what 1+1 is and "I" already know it is 2, but in self-inquiry "I" ask it again and again and always when "I" think "I" found answer "I" realize yeah, but nothing changes since "I" knew it already.

@Seraphim I will give a try to shaktipat and Siddhanta Yoga. Thanks for an advice a head. @The0Self I ordered the book and I will try to meditate even more than I already have. By sidenote I say that I have reached state where I can be without thoughts at all thanks to meditation.