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@r0ckyreed Check this out!

@hyruga Exactly!

@Ulax I understand that doing things varies in difficulty between people and there are many variables that affect on it, but saying to yourself that I can't be disclipined because of my condition is just telling yourself lies that weaken you, because EVERYONE CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT!! Of course inner work should be done as well simultaneosly, but start your work today and don't wait until your traumas are healed or you'll never do anything. While you become disclipine also your self-esteem and confidence grows and I'd say that this helps also in curing traumas.

@r0ckyreed That's fucking lit bro . I watched David Lion's take on disclipine and I agree that what you do must come from your highest values, goals and ideas. The thing that I just wanted to point out is that you can't always live in "blissipline" and sometimes day comes when you don't want to do something, but you have to do it anyways. That doesn't need to come from anger per se, but yelling to yourself COME ON really helps you to ignite your burried fighter that is ready to battle.

@Loba Again this is a great example of why everyone should know their top values so well that it doesn't matter what situation it is, beacuse it's always effortless to choose the best option possible. It's all about where you want to go with your life and what alternative leads you here. Sometimes you the situation is pretty much 50/50 and when that is in the case, just do something, because the big picture is what matters. Make right decision 95% of the times and you'll be okay. Also making mistakes grows you so even that's not problem.

Without strong enemies you can't have strong friends The point I am trying to make is that if you are too average in everything you won't stand out and people won't like you. While we are living in this mainstream society that says what we can't or shouldn't do it is extremely important still to be yourself. If people around you control what you do you'll lose your self-esteem in the process and you'll become sheep who follows. I'll say it as straight as possible; there is no fucking way that I'll ever be close friends with a sheep. That ain't gonna happen. You must have some respect in yourself in order others to respect you, period. Consequence of being yourself truly is that you'll find enemies and fast. Many people think when this happens that they did spiritually something wrongly, but the thing is that you didn't. It just proves my point right. Do you really think that shapeless personality would ever be interesting? What makes you like someone is their strong personality and I've said it many times but self-expression is art and art is beautiful. That is what makes people really appreciate and love you, authenticity and self-respect. You are too valuable to be a slave Grow some balls and stop caring what others think of you, because as long as that matters to you, you're slave for them. Doesn't it bother you even a little that everytime you go socialize yourself you feel this incredible tension that others put on you without asking your permission. It's like you trying to play with your favourite toys and one big boy comes to make fun of you until you hide your toys to your closet. That's fucking unacceptable and disgusting bro ... ... ... OH just be quiet and they won't notice you and do some inner work and just let it go. What the fuck is wrong with you, really. That's not the right approach. That's bullshit. I don't say that inner work is useless, because it is extremely important, but the thing is that you have to embody your values at some point. It doesn't give me any respect for you if you say that oh my biggest value is this and that if you're living in the complete opposite. It would even be better that your value would be the opposite so you would at least be authentic and that's very much worth a respect from me. How does it feel that your favourite life is in others' hands and they don't give it to you, because it is not something they accept. Learn to take the L in order to win What is highly counter-intuitive is that if you try to resist taking lose at micro level you'll take big L of your whole life. Is that what you want? Think about how much others would laugh at you failing your whole life in comparison to making some cringe mistake publicly which others wouldn't even remember after 5 minutes, max. At some point of your life you must bite the bullet and start doing things knowing that it'll be cringe at first. There won't be time in life when things are easy. Right time isn't thing which is offered, but which is made by you. I mean after reading this post you can continue doing things normally and nothing changes ever. Don't become sad of this fact, but act according of what you want and maybe that doesn't need to be your future. Stop accepting the shit that people drop to you. Say NOW IT IS ENOUGH. Finding fighter inside of you is so empowering feeling that after you find it you wouldn't watch back to your life thinking that you were cringe. It just doesn't matter to your future self or to others so why do you care? Why do you care too much????? -joNi-

@Loba It's all about what cost that blending takes. If it doesn't require you to change your self-expression, values or who you are then yeah you should do it that way, but if it does then I wouldn't do it, because people around you have to understand where you stand or otherwise no one will ever respect you. They'll start to think that they can talk over you, walk over you and tell you what to do. Living life that way drains your self-esteem and after that it's also harder to accept and love others so it all circles back to where it started. Fight, drama and scenes aren't actually too bad if they come from right reasons.

@hyruga Good fucking point.

@playdoh I must disagree with you, because all what I said I personally did and do in my life and they worked. It's not pushing if you just do the thing regardless of how you feel before doing it, because most likely after you start the action you feel better already and you think why it was so hard to start even. You have to accept that in life you can't always be motivated to do things and with your logic all these 80% of times you'd not to do the thing you should do and therefore you'd lose. It's not about burying your emotions, but acting anyways.

@DefinitelyNotARobot How I writed it was just the way it came to my mind, but I agree on the nuance difference for sure. It's not others' fault not to know better. I believe in geneuine friendships where you don't need to be certain way and that's why I have always said that drop the social masks, because otherwise you'd just be inauthentic. By enemies I just meant person who won't accept you and therefore (s)he dislikes you. Usually from these people you get all possible negative junk and I guess no one needs this to their life. @Sincerity Thanks for reading it and pm me privately if there is some topic you'd want me to cover.

@SQAAD You just missed the whole point, read it again.

@SQAAD Physical activity is meant to boost your male energy and when you lack of it you'll become lazy. It also is very healthy for your body to do some of it so why not straight use the time to change your appearance at the same time. It's also benefical for your self-esteem and capability to function in the world with ease, because you have muscles to carry things. I don't know what you'd need to do in daily basis if working out for 1 hour 3,5 times a week + some running would be useless in comparison to what you do. It's all about time management and you should learn to do the most valuable things in life as often as needed. Spirituality is not your excuse to be lazy ass bitch, because yeah I love being as well, but I develop myself in the meantime. Spirituality could also be defined as putting everything in your life together in good mix. It's learning structure so well that you can use that knowledge to change your life for better. Many people think that spirituality is just about new experiences, but I'd say that the experiences should teach you to live life better.

@SQAAD That's the answer for you then. Work out like a man and you get your motivation back.

@EdgeGod900 If you want to do something which you thank yourself later then continue developing yourself by working out, reading books and contemplating. I used to say to everyone that the only thing I ever wanted was to be, but I'd say it better now. Whenever I want to be i'd like to be able to be. What this means is that I want enough freedom to pull this off. I don't say that being is addiction, but you should understand that the hours you don't use for meditating you should use for being masculine and do things.

@playdoh You can't beat around the bush forever, bro. Bite the bullet and become man. Learn to do things without it being constantly heaven, because that's not what life will never be. I've done lot of spirituality and I really think that I'm in heaven and I love this universe, but the thing is still that if I want make something to happen it's gonna be painful more or less. You need to learn the fuck it mentality where you do things regardless of how do you feel. You need more fighter male energy and that's going to be the real thing which you're missing. Everything else you named are just medicine, but they won't fix the main issue that you have. I'll drop you some golden nuggets. -joNi-

@OBEler I've had 2 times experience (as fas as I remember) where I felt that nothing can help me, because my experience is all there is. The first one was sober actually and it just hitted while I was trying to be more and more mindful for a long period of time. There isn't anything which isn't real. Name one thing and by the time you do it, it ain't unreal anymore by the definition. Definition of real is which is actually in the case and if you think that there is outside world which is real and as long as your experience doesn't match with that, you could say that you're hallucinating. What I am saying is that when concept of outside world goes away, only thing which is real and all there is, is your experience. Still I operate from the stand point that I think there ain't nothing but my experience and I embody it daily. That's why I can get more out of experiences than others from many of those. What I am saying is that the one who learns the structure will always outrun you in the content even if you got headstart in it. Learning is seeing patterns in things and I'm gonna say that I am pretty good in that field so I think it's wrong to judge me by my experiences or their quantity. You probably heard that quality over quantity. I don't still understand why you are trying to prove me somehow weak, incapable to give advice or less than you. You are continuously saying that oh you haven't tripped or it was just one time and that probably was very weak and doesn't count for anything. I understand that it is hard to talk with someone who gives facts to the table, but please try to respect other and change your tone a little. I don't blame you fully, because as I said earlier this whole forum is about who has most Leo-meo-god points and by that the one gains respect. It's very ridiculous to be honest.

@OBEler You're missing too many points here. Again you continue assuming that the trip was weak, that it was my only trip that I've had and I cannot help people in this field anyway. I know exactly how it feels to be in situation where you recognize you're fucked up and that nothing can help you, because your experience is totally inside your own mind. Also this is the moment when distinctions between real and not real stop making any sense, because from that perspective everything that happens is absolutely real. What you aren't understanding is that the point of doing push ups and other things isn't merelly for physicality and success. They train your mind unbeliavably and you learn your limitations and how to cope with stress and bad situations. Explain me why the strongest men are also the most stoic with their emotional control. What I am saying is that hard situations grow you and prepare you to next ones and it doesn't matter if it's trip that helps your mundane life or the other way around. Don't deny the power of living hard life.

@OBEler They were magical truffles which are legal at amsterdam and that's the reason I went there. There is actually very good teaching that proved its importance in our dialogue. Don't judge book by a its cover. I am saying this from the stand point that my personality is couple pieces from many different perspectives so it's so broad that I can't possible introduce everything in couple lines of word or even in a long essay. Also let's assume that your logic about don't give advice if you aren't experienced is correct then why you talk to me feeling like you know without really knowing anything about me. All these things I am saying just to keep our conversation going so someone could learn something.

@OBEler Just you know your recognition is not on point, because I've actually tripped in amsterdam when I travelled there with my friend. Also I have had spiritual experiences outside of tripping which actually are so stable in my life that I could say that I've "realized" them. Also have I done something or not doesn't change the way my words could be taken and used. It can be that I've done lot of things and still have negative impact or vice versa. Also I truly believe it's possible to give advice about things without having experience of them. Second of all my personality is very broad and I change it how I feel like. That I am very spiritual doesn't mean I don't care about success or other way around. As I've said in this forum before people tend to think that some things exclude something else and I'd say that this ain't spiritual. Spirituality is about seeing as many things as possible and making the best possible option that there is. Spirituality could also be defined as studying structure and making good use of it. Hope that you see my point finally.

@UpperMaster First of all I have to tell that your way of writing and mindset is good, because you allow yourself to see new things instead of claiming others to be wrong. It's like I can give you practical advice that you need to eat in order to live and you could argue that death is imaginary and you live either way. So what I am trying to show is that the content alone doesn't make sense unless you understand the structure the content is operating within. Same content can mean different things according from the perspective you look at it.

@UpperMaster Problem with your logic is pretty common in this forum and in spiritual groups. You need to be very smart and conscious when listening advice, because there are always 2 levels to these things. Either you can think it spiritually or mundanely, but don't try to mix these 2 things because most likely you'll get lost in the knowledge. When we're talking about ultimate sandbox it just means that it's like a Grand Theft Auto V where you can basically do whatever you like under the restrictions. Restrictions are what makes the game and without those there couldn't be the game. -joNi-

@OBEler It feels that if you say anything which is even a little bit different than mainstream society, they want some proof from you that you're qualified to talk. That's ridiculous. Let's assume, If it would be the case that I wouldn't have any experiences of psychedeliscs, would what I said somehow automatically be wrong or would I lose some Leo-meo-god points and my value would be less in this forum. What I am trying to say is what you ask from me is meaningless in the context I was talking.

@m0hsen I have lot of spiritual experiences and I operate from the standpoint that there is no sense of self, control or world outside of what I perceive, but the thing is that having confidence, trust in the process and trust in "yourself" in mundane or spiritual are the same. It varies in intensity, but also the intensity varies inside the structure spiritual or mundane so it isn't valid excuse not to train yourself in any of those realms. Also you didn't do the damn push ups so stop being pussy and do them .

@m0hsen Yeah it is nice quote and the most radical thing is that my name is joni and I writed it. Everyone should aim for good self-expression enough to have impact in others so well that they change. You must be/feel powerful enough to move mountains if that is what's needed. What is missing from mainstream spirituality is its total wholiness. They talk to you lot about new experiences and realizations, but they don't teach you basic self-help and male energy to handle the unknown. Make yourself powerful and tell me in your next answer that you truly did 100 push ups.

@m0hsen Definition of insanity is trying to prove yourself that this what was fake is real and realizing that you can't because you're too conscious to trick yourself again. Instead you should try to prove what seems to be in the case correct, because with that you should have much greater chance of success. Rather than being mad at things which you lose in process you should be happy to give them to gain things which you actually want from life. That's why knowing your values is very important, because they're your map and without one you're lost. -joNi-