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@Adamq8 Yes that what I was saying . God ( us ) limits itself to have this experience called life. Otherwise we would be twisting all laws of nature. But LEO is saying by Siddhis we can materialize stone out of thin air. By reaching such super radical states of consciousness we can can convert water into wine. He always insists reality is imaginary so that implies we can materialize anything out of thin air and twist and turn rules of biology. Yes ,We can convert water in to wine. But using technology not consciousness. His claims make religion scriptures true. That means all by reaching such radical high states of consciousness we can control whether also. Then why waste time working on technology to fix our nature? He also claimed once in forum he can cure all the humans on earth by shear imagination when one enters NON DUAL state and reach such radical states of consciousness that you can twist and turn reality and play with God's creation and breaks all laws . You can heal yourself its being proven again and again . Several people across the world have done it. But why claim you can cure everything by shear imagination? Even if you reach such super human consciousness you cant change structure of reality which is based upon . I.e dualism. There has to be some boundary and rules. We progressed this far into technology using science which works under observable laws of nature.

So jesus was ordinary human being like us? How does he able to do such things if leo says even meditating for 40 years straight non stop you cant achieve such degrees of consciousness that 5MEO DMT Provides. So can we say jesus was using psychedelic to perform miracles by walking on water or these are just made up stories written in bible?

@JosephKnecht Thats what I was asking him. At one point he says that god limits reality so that we can have experience of what we call LIFE. And on other hand he claims radical stuff like converting your hands into tentacles. While he knows biology will not allow it. Your immune system will reject the part because of DNA difference. If everything could be done in super human states of consciousness then their is no laws under which this Reality is operating. That means ALL laws of PHYSICS, BIOLOGY , CHEMISTRY etc are fake? But reality is we are here that we are using computers because of science which operate using laws of nature. We have sophisticated super computers because of science. We are able to reach mars because of science. We are able to fly because of techology that operate under laws of science. Doing telepathy , telekinisis and healing others is different thing. But claiming you can convert water into wine and you can walk on water is far fetched .

Leo but can humans access those states by taking just psychedelic? And you said its not possible to tap into such radical super conscious states using meditation even if you do it nonstop for years. Where to draw a limit what can be done in reality? Do you have any proof anybody materializing stuff out of thin air using high states of consciosuness apart from Telepathy? Your claim are making reality meaningless. I am not saying you cant do telepathy but claiming you can manipulate laws of nature and convert your hands into tentacles thereby defying biology laws seems to be violating the laws of nature. Where to draw limit what can you do what can you not?? Whats possible in this limited human for what not? You cant simply work against laws of nature . How can anyone will convert their body into animal using super high states of consciousness?

@Leo Gura But why claim Jesus was not human? And you mentioned several times that even meditating nonstop for 40 years straight cant make you reach those super high degrees of consciousness as by using a single hit of DPT or 5 MEO Dmt. So that means Jesus was taking 5 meo DMT all the time while we was performing miracles like walking on water, converting water into wine ? Arent those states are temporary ? once medicine effect start to come down you again back to this reality. But there has to be some limit on what can you do with reality. Can you materialize dinasaur out of thin air using radical states of super human consciousness? Can you fly while accessing those super human consciousness? Can you destroy planets using super human consciousness as reality is mere imagination ? Can you convert yourself into animal while accessing those super human consciousness using some chemicals and defy all the rules of nature ? What I was saying that reality is made using principle of dualism. And GOD limits reality so that we can have this experience call life. Otherwise we would twisting all laws of nature, biology, chemistry or science. And making our life of our dream. We would be generating unlimited money by mere imagination.

Leo is DPT Lab made like 5 meo DMT? Or it is found in nature like dmt?

@Jake Johnson I agree . But what is shown in NDE's is that if someone did wrong in their past life then the same consequences will encounter again . Its like lessons of love. It is direct one and one conservation with the White light. This is completely against that everything is love and their is no evil. It seems like we have just labelled everything as love eventhough NDE's show karmic debt concept. Also it seems god punishes us through our past life deeds. For ex- If we murder some in this life will it not reflect in next life time? And in next life time we will get murdered by the same person whom which we murdered. Then this is clearly karmic concept of what Religions mentions.

I was talking about why we suffer then if we are all are one. And everything is love. So it means if I hate you it is also love. Because only love exist. See there is a paradox.

@Leo Gura But we have now documented cases of thousands of NDE and in each they state it was shown why things happened that way it happened. For ex. A person who lost the loved one in his life and suffers throughout his life by his absence was due to his inability to love his/her loved one in his past life. That lead to lessons in next life time. Now this is clearly punishment. Even if we call we are god. That means god punishes himself??? Now we are labeling someone's suffering as love. And saying everything is labelled as good. How can we brush off suffering of people which is real ? If god is all knowing why do he needs lessons on first place? Even he know that it will lead to suffering in people's life.

@wwhy Exactly. Yes by equating EVIL with good we are brushing off completely from explaining root cause of suffering in this world. How can anybody's suffering be love? If past life actions are rippling in next life time then we can say god punishes us for wrong doing. Even if we are one with god.

@Leo Gura Leo Have you read different NDE's of people encountering white light. In more than 40% NDE it was shown LIFE REVIEW of people life and more than 70% White light (GOD) is showing the their past bad deeds came in their way in their next life. For ex. There is one OBE of Famous American clairvoyant Called " EDGAR CAYCE " who had more than 1000 of OBE's throughout his life time. Once upon a time a women visited him and asked for reading . She asked whether the operation she is undergoing would be successful or not. So edgar cayce had an OBE and left his body and moved toward White Light (GOD ). Their he accessed Akashic Record of women . He told the women that the doctors who are about to perform surgery are paying their karmic debt to her. They tortured her in their past life. It is their karmic debt that they need to clear . The operation will be successful claimed by Edgar Cayce. And it did went successful as per claim. Also if you study several NDE's . It is always shown past life deeds ripples in next life . That means god punishes us for our wrong deeds of our previous life time by karmic debt. Now you say god loves all . If god loves evil then how do karmic debt ripples in next life. Why do some people born in good condition while others are poor condition ? why do some born in wealthy family and other born in very poor family struggling their whole life to survive?? Dont you think something is missing?

@lmfao But it makes sense when white light tells why's of everything in LIFE REVIEW. White Light tells the reason why things happen the way it happened because they did something wrong that lead to same consequences in next life. It is Karmic Debt in clear sense. And it explains everything in my opinion. But still why god punishes us for wrong doings of our past life's? In this lifetime we are good. And never ever think of hurting people. Its not like one NDE states it like this. If you research and study them all lead to same concept of karma .

@Forestluv So it means NDE are false. And god is telling a lie? Even though everything is god as per non dualism but still human suffering are real. Every year evil stuff happen with people all around the world. Rape , Murder, Genocide etc etc. How can you brush off suffering of people by saying everything is one and their is no other who punishes? Then why there is soo much evil in the world? Why good people are suffering and evil one get away. ? If there is no morality and everything good and evil is same. Then why not do evil things? If evil is same as good and its LOVE as claimed by LEO, Then arent we are mistaking calling it love? How can people doing evil things with each other around the world is termed as Love? See its contradiction. We just Equated EVIL with Goodness. And stated it as LOVE. Dont you think there is something more to it we are not understanding yet? May be as it is all infinite we are not able to see infinite chain of caustion which are leading to both good and bad. ?

@Forestluv But in several NDE (Near death experiences ) it was shown person talking to white light and it was shown how their action effected loved ones and rippled throughout the lives of everyone. It was shown through life review. Also in some NDE it was shown by white light that wrong doings such as murder of a person in their past life lead to same consequences in next life . I have read hundreds of NDE's. And it directly implies god punishes people for their wrong doing even though lessons is always of love. So that mean god punishes us. And LEO is wrong in his video when he says there is no morality . God loves all. God loves hitler too. And if we are god then why we are punishing us? whats the point of subjecting one self in this maya if we god know before hand that ego is such a thing that will make people do wrong things . If he accepts all things and loves everybody no matter as LEO says then why NDE contradict LEO's teaching? NDE's are direct one and one connection with our higher self matrix.

@The0Self Ellaborate what do you mean by dont live up to your ideal. Why do then bad things happen to good people? And evil people always thrives ? If there is no karmic debt then whats the point of life? If there is no right or wrong as leo states in his videos then whats the point of reincarnation? whats there to learn?

@Rilles Then why in different religions such as hinduism and buddhism it is said that your current life is determined by your past life karma's. ?? They say if you did wrong stuff in your previous life then you will encounter same thing in your next life. Isnt it imply god punishing people?