Holygrail

You can say that the color red can be reduced to the mechanisms of the brain and eyeball producing the color but the configuration of atoms are not the same thing as the actual experience of seeing red. The atoms dont even have color to them but the experience of seeing a color cannot be reduced because it's smaller parts are literally NOT the actual experience.... im trying to understand this argument of how the parts are not equivalent to the whole. it almost makes sense to me but im still missing something..

Why would people assume that consciousness needs something that is NOT consciousness is order to exist? The brain, atoms, and wavelengths are NOT consciousness so why would consciousness need them? What does it even mean for something to CAUSE something that it is not? The brain, atoms, and wavelengths occur within the visual aspect of consciousness making them made out of consciousness rather.

super trippy lol

cant wait to see what that entails

yeah because the symbol is not actually the thing that its pointing to, so you cannot think of perception. and this realization is started to sink into me, perception is like magic to me now.

right now, the only way that i realize that red is irreducible is because the configuration of atoms supposedly equivalent to the experience of red cannot be reduced to those atoms because there's no red in those atoms! red is red, and it feels like magic!

of course im openminded to enlightenment and seeing reality as just appearance with nothing going on behind the scenes. I was just using the brain, eyeballs and atoms as examples to why the parts cannot literally be the same thing as the actual experience of thing. You wont see red in the configuration of atoms that are supposedly equivalent to the actual experience of seeing red. Basically that red is irreducible because you dont get red in atoms! and thats such a mindblowing insight that I just recently had.

ohhh thats an interesting perspective, i see your point..

So basically the experience of red and the atoms are just differences, but doesnt mean one particular difference (atoms) necessarily equates to another difference like the experience of red. but what do you mean red becomes attached to a certain pattern of difference in awareness?

yeah you cant reduce red because red is itself and couldnt be anything but itself... the notion of reducing the whole into parts and saying they're the same doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

after feeling the extreme existential terror of dissolving into infinity, i realized that all i genuinely want to do is shower everyone with love, even all the evil people in the world. And all of my judgements and lack of compassion for people were complete illusions, in reality, the only thing really worth doing in life is loving everyone and everything to death. Everyone is living in deception getting in the way from there true authentic selves, to just give endless love to the world.

its like i realize that there is nothing outside of what im currently conscious of and its all a dream and coming from a singularity. every time i get these glimpses, it scares the shit out of me and makes my heart race fast. how does this insight relate with fear? can i trust this insight as being genuine because it really relates with what leo seems to be describing. I can truly say that these insights feel real as fuck and like im a getting a clearer view of what reality truly is, but deep down i down want to believe it. maybe this post is stupid, but who the fuck else can i talk about this with

see, with good automatically creates the bad. so just start by understanding what "bad" truly is, ignorance, lack of holism, selfishness, and falsehood. then everything will just become a universal perspective of the mechanics of existence. Constricted expressions of love learning life lessons that will eventually teach them to start loving more and more until their love becomes universal.

yeah that makes sense as when i become very present to the moment, its just a calm peace as a opposed to extreme excitement. just by realizing that by dualistic thoughts are partial and relative, takes me away from them and into the present moment.

yeah i know fear is an illusion so i need to just start fully embracing whatever the truth may be. just need to believe that the truth is actually going to take me somewhere better.

thought is just a distinction relative to being without thought. being has no opposite and therefore is indescribable

Is this normal? its been happening fairly consistently now for the past few months. It really only happens when im waking up in the mornings way more than at any other time of the day..

its like a get a snapshot of the whole universe at once and it all feels like its coming from me. but its also just a realization of being one that i cant really describe in words. probably the most cliche answer ever, but thats exactly my experience so.

Yeah its pretty creepy. I get the deep realization of being god

is it because direct experience of the totality of existence is infinitely more true than existence manifesting as a concept or symbol representing the totality of existence, since existence is manifesting as a concept which is way smaller than just existence manifesting as everything that it could be through the experience of pure empty awareness?

when we dont have any mental projections laid into reality, then there isnt any concept of something and nothing, this vs that, Is that what it's meant when saying that reality is actual nothingness? I felt like i didn't exist when i made the distinction between thoughts and the present moment and everything felt like nothingness because i didnt exist as thoughts to differentiate anything into something.

damn thats definitely the truth, i gotta start moving away from maps and into the territory!

yeah i know, they are only pointers and the pointers are never "it". but i am trying to experience it which i believe i had a glimpse of.

thats what i thought, though i believe there's a deeper experience to be had on nothingness than my realization

why want to help out the world when you reach a high level of consciousness if everything is meaningless and any choice becomes correct?