Miguel1

You can def go WAY deeper than what is the norm. And especially than what is pushed in PUA. Last evening I had a first date with a girl for 5 hours. I got quite a strong sense of what she is about. But she is way more self-aware than a typical person, otherwise it would not have been possible. Otherwise I would not have gone on a date with her. This whole notion of having to take things very slow, and keep it light and playful in the beginning is a total conformity. And a total waste of time.

Because you are playing around and taking it too lightly. Find out about her soul in the first few dates and it won’t have to take so long.

Instead of Frame Controlling, you should have a Strong Frame. It’s very different. The former is try-hard, the latter is strenght.

The other way of saying this is: Play to win, not to not lose.

I’m sick of hearing this social circle strategy as being the solution to all dating problems. It is not. Nor do many people have interest in wasting so much time and energy on it. Also, for introverts it ill be much trickier.

Yet, you need to spend enormous amount of time on social circle to find such a simple thing. Just take the girl on a date, you will find out immediately. You also talk like social circle doesn’t have limits. It’s not like you can date through everyone in the circle. 1 girl in a circle at once, max.

No. You don’t need to waste endless time on social circle, if you know what you are doing. You can find all that out and more in 1-2 dates, if you don’t fuck around playing pua social circle games.

Everything you did today was very good for starters. But remember there are further steps you need to master like making her chase for your validation, going on insta dates, leading and closing — otherwise these convos will go nowhere and the numbers will remain very weak.

Agree. This is very important. If you can pull this off in a non-needy way, most of ur work is done after the initial approach and hooking.

I think if I spend 3 dates with a girl, it’s time to drop everyone else and just focus on her. Otherwise you are doing something seriously wrong.

Bro has never had a real Father in his life showing him how to behave.

I am cult’s Father.

Sit down 😘

Wrong. I am your Father.

You got it, son. For I am your Father and Natasha is your GodMother. Behave, or be banished and banned, I mean punished.

I am your Father.

What the fuck is going on here. As a moderator, I grant you all to be my little children. I am your father.

So today I learned a new word that describes me and wanted to share somewhere!!!! Has nothing to do with this thread. Or maybe it does!

Cuz I’ve gotten a lot of shit for my HEALTHY aggression

@r0ckyreed I think you are going against conformity by suggesting this

This!!!!!! Some situations just need more aggression, and some people. Also, leaders, deeply passionate people, highly ambitious are more aggressive in nature. It’s a feature, not a bug.

The worst part is he also calls some of these girls INTELLIGENT, but will still cheat iF YoU hAve FRAME

And he deals specifically with Club Girls. Not just girls who go to club once a year because their friend had a bd. Regular Club Girls, who get wasted due to addiction and strong need to escape themselves.

LordFall is correct. I feel like I am quite happy in life. Very happy actually, yet I am inspired as hell to create amazing stuff for humankind, and to express myself profoundly. Leave a poweful positive impact on humanity. But I am very ambitious so it is hard for me to just sit still and be happy. If I was forced to do nothing, I would probably become unhappy. I guess I would practice hardcore meditation then, and challenge myself. But that is also Doing.

Owen gets results by massive volume and playing the long game: Hosting parties and networking etc. where he is seen as a big authoritative figure. He also needs rich friends to host massive parties with. For same day / night pulls, he is terrible. He is basically like a club promoter but he takes the girls from the club and invites into his own party where he is the star. This is not a realistic approach for most people getting into pick up. At the end of the day, Owen is physically way too unattractive for game to help him much. His only choice really is to do what he does, and hypnotize some girls to fall hard into his frame and lifestyle. That’s why he pushes frame so hard. The only way for him to get attraction is if manages to get some girls to lose all sensemaking.