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I would say that that is too black and white. But who am I to say, as someone with natural charisma and looks? Also, living in a green country probably affects things differently than a purely materialistic orange country.

Hmm, I doubt this. You can still have a healthy physical body, even if you don’t bag on much muscles. Kind of like Leo, altho if he still looks like that one pic some years ago on IG, he should def do some cardio for health reasons 👿 Not to be assumptive Leo, but do you exercise? Like Cardio? If not, why not? We don’t want to lose our crocodile king to early death, do we - As far as Owen, I think he’s like has just been too stressful building his biz and getting it shattered constantly, over and over again, and via junk food, he has gotten some escape. That and the fact that he socializes a lot. You don’t socialize for a living & throw parties endlessly, and eat healthy clean salad and home-cooked chicken as your regular food. I doubt he would risk his health like that just to prove something that he isn’t necessarily even proving. He is a health freak. Just look at his ginseng collection. And no one is telling him to become a gym rat. One of his biggest teaching points after letting go of social conditionings (unfortunately to the unhealthy levels, like covid ideas), is things like letting go of junk food and being healthy, cuz it poisons you and supresses your consciousness, intelligence and derps you etc. which is his whole new self-help shtick in recent years. At least on the front end. The back end seems to always be dating, no matter how he tries to hide it.

Probably the biggest BS from Owen that Gets ignored, is his physicsl body. He constantly screams about healthy food and to leave out junk - yet you don’t get that fat and stay fat for probably over a decade at this point, by eating healthy & clean. He has the money to eat, order & probably even have a part/full time personal chef. What’s the issue?

Yes, I also like to believe Owen has grown up psychologically over the years. It's been 7+ years after all. But who knows, maybe even in some department, he has fallen lower. Probably. Covid seems to have been a big backlash for his development. That being said, Owen did watch from the side more or less, even if he didn't explicitly do all the shady stuff.

I've also heard 200m here and there in recent years 🤭

He implied. Come on. This whole drama started because according to Todd, he didn't get paid fairly. If this is true, then it means that RSD didn't pay him the money they owed him.

I think they are working under their new company, called Self Mastery Co. Not sure how much julien is a part of it, or is he working more as a partner with his own company. Publicly Owen sometimes refers to this fact by stating things like "We have Julien's letting go work for that". I haven't heard Julien mention working with Owen for years, altho I haven't consumed much of Julien's content in recent years. Julien avoids anything dating related like a monk avoids Vegas tho They should change their company name to Self-Deception Mastery Co - But yeah, at the end of the day, the work we do here at Actualized.org is extremely rare and advanced, and yet we are still mostly self-deceived, biased and full of BS. We gotta give credit to the job they are doing at stage orange.

Reminds me of my petty little fights during my children years with other children. "You stole my candy! I'm gonna tell your mother about it, and make sure your grandma buys me 3X the candy!!"

So basically what I said. He got fired because they didn't want to pay him the big bucks they owed him. That's the reason he got fired, according to him.

Oh yeah, sorry I didn't notice this post before making my own. Should have come check the dating sub-forum. Only checked the Personal Development.

Didn't he more or less say that they just didn't want to pay him the big bucks?

Yes, both party involved are PUA people, which means it’s hard to trust what they say. That being said, Todd laying it all out open like that makes him seem legit in this fight, who was the one being wronged - but he might be doing some ninja manuevering shit I’m not aware of as I have never had to deal with the court / law directly like that. Intuition says Nick Kho was clearly the biggest evil here. I always heard shady stuff about him, even tho he was the least in public eye. But Owen is as responsible, as he was watching from the side, the times he didn't explicitly do something shady.

Yep. That one seems obvious based on Todd’s blog.

You should have said crocodile juice

Even tho Owen and RSD had some great & life-changing advice throughout the years, be careful of who you take on as your idol / mentor. Pickup people in general are shady. If you feel Todd is right here and deserve justice, help him out if you can.

Stop right there! Otherwise, I agree, my daughter would be the hottest girl possible due to genes and upbringng as well

If I’m to ever have a daughter, I wouldn’t want her to fuck and be with a repulsive chump. I would encourage her to be with the most attractive man, that she can have and keep. That means NOT the top top guys, nor anything goes ”because of connection”. This is the most realistic approach to this dilemma.

Take me for example, I know my sexual market value. And it only increases as I keep developing myself. I will never have an average girl in looks or below as a girlfriend, no matter how great of a personality they are - because I know I can get an above average gf with green values. Is that dissociation with reality? Or is that aligned with reality?

Whenever we discuss this topic, I like to sober you guys up with this key difference: The people who have actually gone out there to try and meet women romantically in great quantity and effort, and the people who haven’t. From my experience, Leo is correct here. I know its not nice to see reality in such transactional way. But what runs humans guys? Survival. Everyone is out there trying to maximize their survival, of course it must be so,

Osho also most likely ENFP. Rupert is something completely else to INFJ?

I’ve seen it all 🤭

Ahaha you have no idea how happy it makes me to see harmony in my environment ❤️ Especially in a community where its nature is to rip each other apart and devour 😂

Such a nice vibe we have got going on lately here in the forum. Even disagreements are being handled relatively maturily. I think we have the least drama ever right now. And it has lasted for quite a while. Thanks guys.

I keep contemplating that, and I am more and more getting to a place where I truly face the dark reality (you are right). For example, let's say when I first started pick up, I probably got so many of those "easy" positive experiences that pushed me to keep going, helping me to get into flow state and spiraling upwards, which led to better results, better inner game etc. Whenever I had hard nights, I always got some "easy" approaches, that got me out of the negative loop. Gave me the easy confidence boost & extra training. This alone probably is priceless, when it comes to this journey. That would make sense. As I mature more, I come to accept more and more how much my looks helped me in this. My tendency has always been to be in denial of this fact, because I don't want to face the fact that reality is so harsh. All these beautiful visions of helping humanity come together and to live in a loving harmony... At this point, I know it deep down, I know that reality ain't nearly so generous. Accepting it is hard, because then ALL my visions will have to be re-shaped. But that's the price of this work.

@Leo Gura For some reason I couldnt edit my original comment on phone so I had to come on laptop to edit it, but here's the second part of the original comment: And if by hyper masculine, we mean men who are absolutely grounded and confident in themselves, aka no longer repress qualities inside them like their feminine side (what Emerald calls soft qualities), then you are speaking about the SAME thing. There, I saved you both 20 pages and 50 hours of time. Thank me later 🤭