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Finland might be the only exception. Or am I being naive?

If this is true (and not a marketing strategy), then it will be really interesting to see what kind of higher-level developmental stuff he will be focusing on, bringing to the table and teaching. The comments below (that this whole thread is about) are from the following video: https://youtu.be/s1N4lzSJ6QQ -- The questions I have are: Is this just another marketing scheme? If not, then why is he using Time as the reason for letting go, rather than deep Exhaustion (becoming bored) to the point that he is finally truly ready to start letting go? Perhaps he is using time, rather than exhaustion because of sales? ''Oh, Owen is becoming bored with girls and isn't passionate about chasing them anymore, why should I take his program then?'' That being said, it is kinda the same with the Time excuse: ''Oh, Owen has better stuff to do with his time than chasing girls, he doesn't even care that much about it anymore, why should I take his program?'' Or better yet: ''What is it that Owen wants to be focusing on so much more than chasing girls? I want to focus on that too!'' -- Would be truly amazing and beautiful to see Owen slowly dropping the deep attachment to material stuff and starting to seriously dive much deeper into the higher psychological developmental and spiritual stuff. Been following this guy's development for like 15 years.

Definitely not late at all. You are well on time. Just start now

@Twega @Bobby_2021 This. The guy’s a marketer first and foremost, and deeply stage orange. Deep attachment to making money.

Is this guy trolling? You speak in circles and yourself into a bag (Finnish saying ), bro.

@mr_engineer All this is doing exactly what you are trying not to do: you are giving the women too much value and power. In a fun social situation, treat the girls as silly girls. How would you treat your 13-year-old little sister (aside from the sexual part)? It would be all fun and games. Silly stuff, non-serious. Lots of teasing and playfulness. This is how you truly don't give them too much power. What you are doing now just seems like that on the surface, but deep down you are boiling. It is just the function of Fake Confidence. Not True Confidence. True confidence comes from the core. -- Seems like you are just in a vulnerable place and I understand because game can be brutal (understatement), especially in the beginning. Just understand this: generally, the less you care, the better results you will get. It is very counter-intuitive. The tricky part is how to get to the less-caring stage, as a beginner. Well, a massive amount of approaches (hard work). Faking it till you make it can also be a very powerful tool when used in a healthy way. Basically, you want to get to unconscious competence. You are probably at the stage of conscious incompetence right now: 1. Unconscious incompetence 2. Conscious incompetence 3. Conscious competence 4. Unconscious competence Just like learning how to drive a car. A ton of hard work at first, until it becomes second nature.

I don't remember the last time a girl said this to me. It's possible I have never even gotten this. If you are getting this, then you are doing something badly wrong, as a man, in the approach itself. But anyway, even if I did get this, my response would be, depending on my mood, something like "Well, you better run '', or "Yes, and proud of it. '', and walk away to approach another girl in front of her (in a fun, properly calibrated way, like a proper man). -- Getting triggered and defensive over this is similar to if someone called you a horse, or an alien (alien rat), or a house, or a car... You would not care, simply because it is not true, and you would laugh it off. For me it would most likely (unless I am in a heavy, negative space) actually come across funny if someone called me a horse: '', what makes you think that? Do I look like a very fast runner?'' Basically, you get triggered and defensive only because it is At Least somewhat true. Especially during a social and fun situation. And finally, you mention that you don't want to ''reward'' their bad behavior. Well... When you get triggered by these lower-conscious, negative people, you are actually giving them exactly what they want: your ego getting poked. Ignoring them and moving on is the best punishment.

Just bumped into your apology blogpost. Powerful, beautiful! These are the moments we live for in personal development! Even tho, while experiencing them in the moment, they feel like hell, but later in retrospect, they are the most valuable moments, as far as the human domain goes. Strongly suggest everyone to read Leo’s latest blogpost, and reflect deeply on what you can learn. These deep openings are very rare. https://www.actualized.org/insights/my-apology-01

I noticed the shift in your tone and approach and wanted to take a moment to express appreciation and gratitude. Even tho I understand that the harsher approach has its uses and times, I believe this more softer (not too soft to compromise), loving and understanding approach shows the health of the forum and perhaps, your psyche. That being said, obviously never ”compromise” on the truth and rawness of what is! But that goes without saying. Thank you for being a huge role model and a tremendous source of inspiration. And thank you for creating and maintaining this space for us to be able to come together to learn and grow, all completely for free. Much love.

Hey guys, I think I might be starting to build an unhealthy relationship with obsessively eating clean. Is clean eating for you absolutely 100% clean eating? As in, never ever having any junk food, any cakes, any chocolate and ice cream? Or is it more like an 80/20 rule for you? 90/10? 95/5? -- What about bad additives? What about heavy metals? How badly do you avoid these? I am not perfectly knowledgeable about additives, and it seems like the understanding of some additives being unhealthy may change to neutral as science develops. It would be awesome if you can list additives that are absolute no. I live in Finland (Europe), so I believe the regulations here are much better and tighter than in the USA (in case this info is any useful). -- Are you vegetarian? Vegan? Do you do Keto? Do you follow a plan of x amount of carbs, proteins, and fats? How much saturated fat do you allow yourself to eat? How much greens, fruits, and salads do you consume? Any rules on eggs? What do you think of nuts? What do you think of rice, pasta, potatoes? - I'm not sure how is it there in the USA, but in Europe, we have rice and pasta that are wholegrain. Finally, processed food doesn't necessarily mean unhealthy, but let's talk about unhealthy processed food. How much do you allow yourself? Hopefully, I'm not missing anything. -- I am reflecting on whether I am becoming way too perfectionist about all this. Would love to hear ya'll thoughts and @Michael569 , would love to have you chip in as well, since you are the professional here Much love.

Yup. And if this is too much, then you can start with just by asking for directions or perhaps even time.

Expose yourself to massive experience + a ton of contemplationg & reflection + calming your mind.

First of all, she is not your girlfriend after a week. Second of all, getting low quality girls (both internal and external) on Tinder is a completely different thing vs getting high quality girls. Finally, go out and approach girls - learn to be a proper man.

Deep, ruthless inner work is the answer here.

@Michael569 1. Do you consider ethics and sustainability in your approach, or are you solely looking to maximise health potential? Yes, I would prefer the most ethical and sustainable approach, but it also depends on how much I lose on the health side. 2. What are your goals? - Are they more short-term? (muscle hypertrophy, strength) or more long-term (longevity, chronic disease avoidance) All long-term goals. 3. Any eliminations? No. 4. Any existing health comorbidities? No. 5. Do you have a food budget? No. ----- Haha lol ! Yeah, thanks for the advice. I will take it -- Also, thanks @undeather and everyone else for your advice!

Being forced to do something and fighting against it is very different than accepting it.

The key here is to learn to laugh at nonsense and silly things, which is almost everything when you are socializing. I am quite like you naturally, but I have learnt to just make fun of myself and the sillyness of everything - this is the mood. Sillyness. Self-amusement. Tap into the part of life that is non-serious. The part of life that is a total joke. I mean look at the Universe! It is a one big joke: God created this amazing world just to realize that he can’t enjoy it, so he had to delude himself into a human being! He also had to create all this stupid ego games and wars, just so that he can appreciate the beauty of the Earth more… — Obviously do not hurt anyone’s ego. But just laugh at the sillyness of the ego in general. This is how I go about when I socialize with people, or even when I am having more intimate moments with girls. When cuddling with them, I do some emotional connection but deep down I know it won’t go very deep, and in order to entertain myself, I make sure to turn the whole mood into a silly nonsense once in a while. I will enjoy the superficial emotional connection, but I will deeply enjoy the fucking around mood as well (lot’s of teasing for example). But when you are just purely socializing without any intimacy, then purely just self-amuse and be silly. This is a skill to be learned, which includes the skill of letting go of your seriousness (depth) momentarily and letting loose. Don’t cling to it like a baby to its mother. A truly mature person knows also when to let loose and be silly.

Funny I started having the same inclination building up inside me recently too. I need a place to channel my deep natural tendency to think and contemplate. I do a lot of journaling / writing down but I think it would be lovely to also get outside perspectives to my thinking. But this place is like perfect for it! I get to help people, while getting helped myself. Awesome! Just need to be vary of some of the limits and the negative stuff (this place still probably has the least of them out of all places), which are part of the game. Looking forward to getting to know ya’ll better! Much love.

My standards increase all the time. A girl who was hot when I started game, I consider very average nowadays. Tbh, some I even consider quite ugly. It is shocking. And even in recent years, I notice that someone I considered attractive a few years ago, isn’t so attractive nowadays after all. Other thant that, I think you should not repress this part of you, and actually fully allow it by going through it via the idea of deeply exhausting your material desires. See Leo’s burning through karma video. Extremely powerful video about our ordinary human life. —- General advice for all: Take care of your basic needs first, and don’t ignore the part of deep exhaustion of material desires, when diving into spirituality.

Exactly! Hence the idea here is that I get people's opinions and thoughts so I can make my own judgment for myself. So I will actually throw the question back at you. What do you consider clean eating to you? My aim is to have the healthiest possible food for my own body. I understand that different people can't handle different food. So far, I haven't had any problems with any food diet. I can go vegan too, if that is the healthiest to me. But I can also eat meat, if that is the healthiest for me. -- I would consider junk food anything that is not very nutritious food. Basically any food that has low nutritional value. -- Ella Woodrow case is interesting. I will look into it. Appreciate you taking time to answer.

Yeah, wondering the same.

Oh I see. I thought you meant a new map on a higher level stuff than game, but yes.

What is this map that you are talking about?

I spend a ton of time gaming in terraces and patios and oh boy I breath a lot of it in. Also, there is smoke in the queues to the clubs. And smoke in the street itself, which can be a golden place to game as well. From what I understand, it is basically as bad as smoking cigarettes itself, you just inhale less than the smoker who directly inhalea from the cigarette. But if you spread the second hand smoking / breathing to hours per night, then it adds up. It might be even worse than just smoking because according to google: ”the secondhand smoke is already contaminated and you're inhaling it, and it's already contaminated by the person who is smoking. So, that's even worse, because you're being doubly contaminated, more than smoking it.”