Miguel1

Tbh, reading this forum makes me think that I'm a natural. Somewhat at least. I never struggled nearly as much as most guys here. I did do a shit ton of approaches in the beginning tho. If anything helped me, maybe it was the little bit of naturalness that gave me enough results to keep me in momentum which spiraled upwards, rather than quitting. Crazy to think that if I didn't have that little bit of naturalness + looks, I would have probably quitted because it was so damn brutal.

What are you currently struggling with?

@OBEler If you go one more layer meta: You don't have an alternative option to making money. You cannot NOT make money Whereas when it comes to dating, you have the option to be single and happy. You CAN be single. You CAN NOT be without money.

You have no idea

Be careful avoiding truths by calling them stereotypes. Matter of fact is that, if you don't socialize and live in a cave, you don't get distracted by human drama and pettiness. And relationships tend to bring more of that because it is simply more of it and a deeper layer of that. Obviously, if you are dating extremely conscious people, then maybe not (don't have personal experience and I am also not close to being completely absent of human drama and pettiness), but where are they again? And even if you find them, don't forget that they have to be attractive to you (and not some 50-60-year-old very mature and conscious person but not attractive physically at all) and have somewhat similar sex drive, otherwise there will be sexual frustration, for example, if they want sex once a month and you want a few times a week - this is too big of a gap (obviously expecting perfect symmetry in libido is unrealistic since there are so many other variables that need to also work out together in a relationship). Yes, of course. But this wasn't the conversation here. Maybe I have a rigid idea of what a relationship is. Maybe I don't. Maybe you do. Who knows.

Yes. This can also be just an avoiding mechanism to do the hard work of learning to become an attractive man. After all, ten thousand posts, I'm assuming he has done a lot of that stuff you talk about already here.

Bro, go out there and attract / learn to attract girls near you that you can have proper, physical intimacy with. What is this nonsense?

If you had the ability to quite effortlessly and easily get a similar girlfriend or even better, how strict would your rules be?

Are you asking for some advice? Or are you just sharing your thoughts? Do you want to have a discussion about something? What is the purpose of this?

Yeah, feel free to whenever. I'm done here with this guy. Wasting time on such a case is just sheer stupidity. I had hoped it was just a troll. But 800 posts here and hasn't been kicked out? Probably not.

Jesus Christ indeed. Is this really the best we get on an arguably the most conscious self-development and spiritual public forum? I get that it is an online forum but jeez. Is this normal here? @Leo Gura @Osaid @UnbornTao and the rest of mods Amazing how you can misunderstand and project literally everything you are accusing onto us. But then again, I've seen this so many times that it is not really anything new. I guess I just have to accept that this level of crap also happens here on the Actualized.org forum! Look, I have not read all the posts here but at least @Spiritual Warrior has been trying to help you and give you practical advice. I was trying to get you to change your mindset to a more positive, uplifting, and productive one. But I guess it is easier to keep basking in victimhood, blaming, projecting, and gaslighting. This way you don't have to do the hard work of changing yourself. But what the hell are you doing on a self-development forum then?

Look, I have been in game MUCH less than Owen. Probably 15 years less, if not 20. I have had plenty of hot gfs, both short-term and long-term. And I am not even a dating coach studying and teaching this full-time. Here's the thing, not everyone wants to have a girlfriend because it takes A LOT out of you. Case in point, Leo. I'm sure he could get a girlfriend if he wanted to and maybe he does now. But he was single for quite a long time. Why is that? Because he is on a mission and having a girlfriend distracts you a lot with all sorts of nonsense and drama. Consider this: Owen has a flock of girls (both very good-looking and less good-looking) coming into his life on a consistent basis and wanting to have intimacy and sex with him. He is also on a mission like Leo + I would argue he is much more energetic, healthy, and even ambitious than Leo. Why would he settle down with a girl and deal with all the nonsense when he is getting sex and intimacy needs met actively without doing so? Know also, that girls are on their best behavior (AKA no drama and bullshit) during the early stages & honeymoon phase. So you can be on a honeymoon phase with one or multiple girls at once (as long as you don't lead her on to believe you are settling down with her) and once it is over, you drop them. Or if that isn't a very conscious thing to do, don't even get into the honeymoon phase. Also, consider that perhaps he has burned through his sexual desires so much that it isn't THAT important to him anymore. Now, what exactly is the need to maintain a hot gf?

This. I can validate your feelings, coming from someone with 10 years in game and massive success by any normal standards. If 10s and 9s were throwing themselves at him, were very loving and kind towards him... suddenly he enjoys them very much. Finally, he wants to run away from them with hookers but what he doesn't get is that he will NEVER feel like a man through hookers. Quite the opposite actually. Imagine that women ''wants'' you and ''wants'' to have sex with you ONLY when they are forced to do it. What will this do to his self-esteem, confidence, and self-love? Absolute demolishment. This is what he doesn't get. -- For you @Spiritual Warrior - I love the mindset and approach you have towards this. Keep going and you will succeed. The positive mindset is the most important thing really. Without it, nothing is possible. I haven't read much of your struggles but would love to give some tailored advice to you. What are you currently struggling with? Do you get them on dates and struggle there? Do you struggle to establish attraction when you meet them? Do you struggle with approaching?

Welcome to life. It is not always dancing on the roses, laughter, and passion. In fact, the majority of life is rigorous boring work. But the underline passion towards whatever you are trying to do and / or reach will make it more enjoyable. Same here.

Most people feel the same way. Unless you are really peacocking, or a bunch of girls are throwing themselves at you physically, you are not that special that anyone notices or cares. They are all in their own heads, before they get drunk and loose. But then they definitely dont care to judge because they are out of their judgemental mind. —- Other than that, like Leo said, you need to approach more. Talk to everyone, men, women, ugly, pretty, average. Doesnt matter. Most important is you warm yourself up into a social mood and start having fun with everyone. Make the place become like your home with bunch of homies and your confidence will shoot through the roof. Don’t underestimate the power of warming up. Just like anything really in life, you are nowhere near your best if you are cold and not warmed up. Sure as your baseline level skills improve to advanced and mastery level, you can still do well without warming up. But you are nowhere there. Also, one of the best things of warming up and talking to everyone is that you build massive social proof. You will become the guy everyone knows in the party. So not only do you build ton of fun energy, but you also build massive social proof. And I’m assuming I don’t need to explain the importance of social proof to you.

@The0Self That example of Owen and Hitler is preposterous. Completely different case. As for your second paragraph, let's just focus on the following, cuz the rest doesn't really have anything to do with this and are just antics: ''I mean for starters he’s been caught saying he was banging a 10 when he was actually texting a 5; he’s said he was banging chicks when he was just hanging out with his sons. He’s not a player.'' Alright, so he lied. Now, the amazing thing about the world is, only scammers lie. No, everyone has lied and will lie here and there, unless they are very conscious, or live in a cave. Lying is part of being a normal human being. We are bullshitting animals. The point here is that Owen has provided massive value to the world and completely for free. When we are talking about scamming, I am expecting a much more serious accusation than just a bunch of lies. When you accuse someone of lying, you need to provide further information on the following questions: what did he try to accomplish with these lies? What was the extent of the harm he caused? Did he do this 20 years ago or recently? And in this case, do you really think Owen can't bang hotties? Ultimately, this is a pointless conversation if you think that after 20 years of going out, he doesn't have the ability to bang hotties with his skills and funnels. I'll give this right back at you:

They said that they are being forced and blackmailed. You don't want to engage and enrage such a situation. Better would be to just quietly get yourself out of it.

Do everything you can to move out. This is toxic and you should not take the abuse. In the meantime, just act like you believe to avoid unnecessary problems.

You go out 2-3X a week and talk to people and girls. Focus on having fun, leading and flirting. Do this rigorously for a few months and you should see some good results. To master this takes years.

Bro, feel free to elaborate on why you think Owen fucking Cook is a scammer (based on this connected to what you wrote earlier in the same comment that I didn’t quote).

How do you feel after you have had sex with her? Do you feel repulsive or very drawn to her? Do you enjoy cuddling her afterwards? Do you want her to leave immediately?

Funny, we are the same age, and we started the same time. I can safely say that after 10 years, this has become a piece of cake and very very doable. You identify your own problems but you are not aware of them: comparing, alpha-beta thinking. Drop all that monkey games and transcend beyond. Have fun and lead. Really the only two things you need to focus on.

Try basic letting go work: Go take a comfortable seat / lay down on your bed. Now visualize the group events happening. As you start to get more tensed up, feel into the feelings and bodily sensations more. Dive deeper into the feelings and sensations with your deep inhales. Welcome them and accept them. Finally, let them go with your deep exhales. Do this for 5-10min+ and as many times a day as you feel like.

I’m a professional level, my own version of hip hop dancwr. I never use my dancing skills in a club. I just fool around in the dancing floor. Most people looking at me dancing in a club will think I can’t dance at all. The only time I dance seriously in a club if I am really enjoying the song and want to express it with my dancing. It is never to impress.

Go out and learn to meet new women. You will find more amazing women than her and then it will be very easy to let her go.