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You don’t force it. Let them grow at their own pace, accept and love them for that.

Obviously this place has people more agreeing with Leo than disagreeing. They literally came here from loving his top of funnel content.

Then you should not be making a judgement on somebody’s work, if you don’t even bother to study their most important work.

@Ishanga Go watch some of Teal’s videos on masculine containment and how unsafe women feel in the world. Basically it’s constant. You cannot understand this as a man. Especially if you don’t have the desire to understand.

This is literally the place where the followers disagree with the leader the most. I have not seen another one like this.

Yes, Teal’s work focuses not only on healing the inner child, the self, the female and the male but more importantly, the relationship between all. For men, it is to learn how to provide containment and safety, and for women to make men feel valued and appreciated for what they bring.

Exactly. That’s why I’ve learned to appreciate her work ever so deeper. She goes to the very roots like nobody else, and does so very intelligently. And like I said (again in my opener), Leo is too head focused. She is more heart focused. These two needs to be integrated. Looks like Leo is aware of this, which is not of course, surprising.

like I said in my opener, a lot of men here has a masculine shadow. And this thread proves the point. I knew Leo would be able to see things through a more objective lense about Teal. The things he points out are the same stuff I feel about Teal. Which makes it easier for me to respond to ya’lls answers. It is really hard to get people to see things when they don’t have the psyche to see things. ”You don’t believe what you see — you see what your unconsciousness sees”

This episode got me to realize that I have always hated conforming. Ever since a kid, and especially teen, I always heavily avoided going to places where I had to conform, like family gatherings (in Asian culture, family gathering is with all the aunts, uncles and cousins too). The more conformity was involved, the more repulsed I felt by it. I never knew what it was intellectually but intuitively I always felt it. I teared up once or twice for being able to finally understand what I went through in my youth, while listening to the episode.

Yup, most people are so unconscious that they live in reptilian brain. In order to get that brain to focus on and respect you, you gotta behave in its language: unconsciousness.

Story of my life. I wish someone would have warned me properly about how much suffering real spiritual work causes before I started the journey. The opposite was sold actually. Either ways I would have probably done this work anyways but just having proper expectations would have made this journey much more smoother.

Haha. Even I am constantly surprised despite being much less developed than Leo. Just imagine how disappointed he is.

Psychological / ego survival for sure. The fact of the matter is a stage yellow person is less selfish than a stage red. But he is nowhere fully selfless.

Thanks for all the input, keep them coming. I will respond here soon, when I have time.

I can understand this, from the perspective of lower consciousness attraction. But at a higher level, I am not looking for a girl to just fall in my frame and follow me blindly. This is not very fulfilling, and it is very empty. Girls follow any asshole scum blindly, as long as they are delusionally over-confident, which they are. I need her to have her own sovereignity. I want our top values to match and for us to be compatible, and that means that she would be more mature and higher conscious. @Natasha Tori Maru is correct here. I don’t think you should step out at all. Frankly, I want to push this conversation. Yes, most men here just need the basics handled and so pickup advices, and getting her to fall in your frame etc. are important - but then there are a few of us here who has lived through the damn sex addiction phase, and actually are looking for something more conscious and fulfilling. Once in a while there is a member bringing this topic up and it gets shot down by the gravity of the forum’s dating maturity level. As an extrovert who thrives around people and crave deep social intimacy, having only unconscious animals around me is truly hell. It would be so much easier to be deep into consciousness work and to be an introvert. I am constantly struggling with the fact that I don’t have conscious and mature people around me, except people in this forum. But it will never be the same.

Welcome to my life brother.

There's a lot you can do to change yourself but core remains a core by definition.

Verbal game is a legit thing.

Todd was good but I dont think the other two were that good, especially the tattoo guy. Vadim's set was rushed, but he was in a hurry tho. Nowadays I don't really bother much with weak numbers. Unless the girl is chasing me more or less, I don't care to close majority of times. Same with sex close. Especially sex. Sex must be a win for her, for me to enjoy it. If she gave in and had sex with me just because I was solely persistent, then I rather masturbate. That being said, persistency is very important. But it gotta happen in an attractive, high-value way.

@Thought Art There was no insulting. You are being overly sensitive.

@Thought Art You can’t compare a 18 y old and a 25 y old lol. If you think they are same or similar, then you live in delusion. 7 years of adulthood is a tremenduous change at that age.

That’s way too long of a time to learn to run a business. Running a business is anyways one of those skills you learn by doing.

Their body no, but their mind yes. 18 y olds are completely clueless about the world.

Man, I think having sex with 18 y olds as a 30 y old man is just wrong. These are innocent and inexperienced little kids. Let them grow up and learn the ways with their age group. Having sex with a 18 year old just for the sake of sex must be the worst sex ever anyway. They have no skills whatsoever. And the power imbalance is totally dysfunctional. If you want to go for youngsters, 22-24 is minimum. But okay, I get it. We are talking about purely body, no mind here. A 18 year old body with the face and mind of 22 year old, and I’ll feel better about it. Clearly my mind is not allowing me to feel attraction towards the 18 year olds here.