Miguel1

Very good. Then from there, the next step is to learn some flirting skills and you will be very far already. Obviously if you don't flirt and make it man to woman, they will friendzone you and it won't lead anywhere.

I used to date a bi girl and we went to hit on girls together all the time. It was lots of fun. I didn’t view her less of a partner at all. If anything, I saw her more as my partner. Maybe because I am quite social myself and love to meet new girls. My ENFJ personality type probably has a lot to do with all that. If you can’t satisfy her need for pussy and feminine energy, I would say it would be a loving act from you to allow her to be with girls. What makes you view her less of a partner if she does that? People have different sexual needs. Analyze out-loud for us a bit deeper. What are you afraid of when she is with other girls? Especially if you join her?

I see. Definitely build up your macro momentum first, and then slowly start doing harder approaches. More challenging approaches. One of my favourite things in game is doing more and more challenging things and slowly building it up. I remember my first time challenging myself to go open a group of 10 people sitting in a table, at the beginning of the night, as my first approach of the night. That was freaking awesome. But I had to build myself upto that slowly throughout months and years. Nowadays I don't have much stuff I haven't challenged myself to do anymore. --- As far as micro momentum and my mindset of just talking to everyone being superior - this is one of the biggest things that grew my game. There are quite a few but this one is def one of them. I used to actually have an ego about it. ''I don't talk to guys or unattractive girls because it's a waste of time. I will just go talk to the hot girls'' And don't get me wrong, sometimes I do this. But I def won't be nearly as in a social and fun energy as when I am being social with everyone and drop my judgmental mind. Try it. Try talking to everyone and give yourself time to warm up where you don't necessarily need to be hitting on anyone... see how your mind relaxes and expands, your creativity increases, your confidence increases, your flow increases... And suddenly those challenging approaches don't feel nearly as challenging. If anything, they feel freaking exciting.

Also the best way to run away from the work.

With his emotional negativity and attitude atm, he will most likely just get negative reactions and hard blowouts by girls. Which leads to even worse negativity. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and a negative loop. He needs to work a bit on his negativity first before going out, because otherwise it will be a nightmare with his negativity. Why would girls want to be around such energy?

What would you say is your biggest challenge atm in cold approaching? Let me pm you about going out together.

Finland, Helsinki. Planning on traveling around Europe here at some point. And at some point, the world. Would love to meet ya'll. Most of the nights I go out alone. And yes of course, I approach alone. I make friends on the spot in the club. If I want to, by the end of the night, I know a ton of people in the club. Where are you based? We can go out clubbing if I ever come to your city.

I'll come out with you once I start traveling around Europe. But I must ask, why don't you want to go out alone?

Thought of sharing a clip of me dancing freestyle. It's short due to the forum's uploading limit but it drives the point of me knowing what I am talking about. The biggest key of my freestyling is just letting the music take me over. But I need to enjoy the music for it to happen. As you can see, you can hear me expressing the music very clearly if you properly listen to the music. Allowing the music to take over my body and mind is the way to let go and dance. combine.mp4 -- Edit: ahh I thought the video would be uploaded here and you can just watch it here through the forum's own integrated videoplayer but seems like clicking that link will download the video to you computer.

So, basically, you don't know what your life purpose is? Have you done Leo's course on it?

I love dancing. Have freestyle danced for 20 years now. Started with Hip Hop but have developed my own style throughout the years. By far, my most favourite hobby, since it also scratches my creative itch too. Personally 2 things have helped me the most. 1. Self-love work, inner-work, confidence work. 2. Dancing to music that naturally inspires me to dance. Music that I love.

Tbh, you sound depressed. Have you looked into this? I can almost guarantee you, that if you just go out to socialize, and take small steps (30-60 mins per night at first), you will slowly learn to enjoy socializing a lot. It will get to a point where it gives you a ton of joy. Most of my nights are so fun that a lot of times, I would rather take the 3 hours of fun socializing vs going home with a girl and having sex with her for 30 minutes. Now of course, if you live in a small populated area (which I know you do), then you are fairly limited. But even, then you can put yourself out there and learn to enjoy socializing. Also, you can work on moving to a bigger populated area. This is very learnable and doable, but of course it requires work.

Thank you 🤍 You seem like a very lovely person too.

He's joking.

See, most guys who are short are insecure, hence you don’t see them with gfs. So you are putting the cart before the horse with this logic. I am short myself and I get plenty of girls. And not only am I short. I am also Vietnamese (bad stereotype in the west) living in Finland, which is as white / west of a country as it gets. And not only that, Finnish girls are one of the tallest girls in any country.

Girls give out numbers and IG information all the time to avoid the guy turning aggressive from rejection, especially if she was alone when you approached her. So chances are, you turned her off with your interaction with her in real life and she was just being polite. Or perhaps, you didn’t do anything wrong (unlikely based on your scarcity), but she just wasn’t interested. Also, something on your IG profile might have turned her down very badly. Overall, your biggest issue is not knowng how to cold approach, and this having deep scarcity that you start stalking one girl you talk to, because you are so thirsty for female attention. Imagine having 5 beautiful women constantly talking to you, wanting to hang out with you… Now you wouldn’t naturally be so thirsty and desperate, right?

Women don’t like insecure guys. This is the main problem, not shortness. Your shortness causes you insecurity, which leads to issues with women. Accept your height and practice self-love, do some serious inner work, learn to cold approch properly, and you will be able to attract girls everywhere you go.

Game has allowed me to connect with a woman much faster and on a deeper level. And I’ve found it very beneficial to make talking to women so enjoyable, due to the connection. If it was all dry without connection, it would be very boring. So to me, connecting with a woman is definitely in my best benefit.

Oh my fucking God.

Imagine not having the balls to cold approach women and thus, having to make yourself feel better by rationalizing that the best way (cold approach) to build a strong, grounded and masculine character is ”avoiding the growth”. Seriously, I would be extremely ashamed of such escapism and rationalizations. This is so fucking weak. Pure weakness. Wake the fuck up. ”Imagine thinking most gorgeous women are actually worth your time just by virtue of their being gorgeous.” You are fucking running away from growth like a wimp here bro.

You are overthinking it. The point is not to put the girl on a pedestal, and instead, treat the conversation ligthly. Crack jokes, self-amuse and have a positive vibe around them. Nothing serious and heavy. There is no need to prove and qualify yourself.

Btw Leo, Do you have a comprehensive list of the unethical stuff of PUA and game somewhere? Maybe your old video about pickup? Maybe in one episode of the more recent 3-part how to get laid series? Maybe a blogpost? I have reflected a ton on the ethics of my own game throughout the years but chances are there are stuff I have missed, so I would want to reflect on your points. Especially since your analysis on the ethics of game would probably be the best out of all there is, due to your deep experience both in consciousness work and also in game.

If I emotionally connect to with girl, even better because then I enjoy it much more. Which in turn makes everything easier and smoother because there are just natural joyful and meaningful topics to talk about + ”inside jokes”. But yes, I can seduce a girl to connect with me even when I am not necessarily connecting with her as much.

Owen's approach is the opposite of the sniper approach. How do you even mass approach like Owen in a market? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Good luck trying the route of not approaching. I wonder how's that going for 80% of guys out there. To be honest, just the fact you took my estimated 5-10k approaches as a brag is already a sign you are not very experienced, so this is a pointless talk if your premise is that you know what you are talking about. 5-10k approaches is not even that much. And the fact that I said a number with relatively such a big gap, means I'm just completely estimating. I have no idea how much I've really approached. And the whole point of throwing that number out is to communicate that I've done this for a LONG time, and NOT to brag about it. My goodness. And I have no idea what you are even trying to conversate about anymore anyways. We can end our conversation here.

Dude. This has been what I've said this whole damn thread. I've been saying to just approach, socialize with everyone, have fun, and don't overthink. What are you on to? In fact, 200 posts out of my 240 posts on this forum have been just telling guys to go out to socialize, let go, and have fun. And trying to figure out whether someone is good in game with their lay % is a sign you don't know what good game is, for the reasons mentioned above in another comment.