Miguel1

It's called evolution.

Beautiful.

It's easy to fall into such an idealogy, when all your interactions with women all your life has been negative and more or less, brutally rejected. You can try and keep shoving your hand on a hot stove and get burned, but at what point will you give up?

@Emerald Got it. From my own experience tho, I would say for the attraction to remain healthy in a serious long-term relationship, the girl should invest slightly more. I find it healthiest for attraction, when I am focused on my mission and life purpose and she takes a more supportive wife/gf/partner role. Not saying that she cannot have her own career, but that her ambitions are nowhere near as high as mine. But I am an extremely ambitious person.

Be with her for experience, you are young as hell. You are not running out of time to date around anytime soon. Think of it this way: you are learning relationship skills for when you actually do meet that girl you spend your life with. You are also learning what types of girls you like and what you dislike to be in a relationship with.

Why call it a prize then? Just simply call it basic respect & love for your partner.

Taking initiative and being proactive is very different to chasing and putting the girl on pedestal. Completely opposite honestly. You don’t care, that’s why you can approach confidently, self-amusingly.

Yes, it’s always 10X easier and more enjoyable to lie to yourself and seek affirming communities and idealogies, than to face yourself in the mirror and do the hard, painful work. Hence self-deception runs amok in humanity.

Maybe because when this first starts from your childhood, and continues all thorough your life for decades, it’s a completely different game than when it happens now that you have exhausted and burned that sexual and intimacy need so much. I’m only 30 but I’m starting to feel and understand Leo more and more on this department. I’ve gotten so much sex and intimacy needs exhausted that at this point, the shit, drama & untruthfulness one needs to go through to get sex & intimacy (at least from normies, aka 99% of people) isn’t necessarily worth it for me anymore. From this point, having girls suddenly disgusted with me? Fine, not too bad. But as a child, where social validation is literally life or death for me? Where I haven’t developed the intelligence to know that there are other shit in life to pursue than just sex and intimacy? Where I haven’t exhausted any of my sexual and intimacy needs? Come on brother.

@Never_give_up I sympathize with you. And I know for a fact now that if someone like you were to work on all the inner issues you have, it would take tremenduous work. Especially when people like you probably don’t have the money to be throwing to therapists, coaches, trauma workers etc. and for years and decades. When I was in my early 20s, I thought more like @BlessedLion. I truly believed that everyone in dark spaces could with effort, deal and heal their deep inner issues - and we could all live in a beautiful harmony, full of love and selflessness (what drives ENFJs). Growing up, being in the space for over a decade, coaching people myself, seeing so many people working on themselves for years & decades (yet improve relatively only very little), I have lost hope. Not going to happen in my lifetime. I am also quite impatient and ambitious, so I have not been built to sit around and babysit people with slow care. I was built to go out there and conquer. - Sorry, I am not exactly sure what I am trying to accomplish with this. On one hand it is to articulate to myself and let the heart breaking feelings out of my system, on the other hand I just wanted to make you feel like I sympathize with you, instead of telling you ”just work hard! You can break out of it, as long as you put in the work!!” And maybe you can. But maybe it is too late. At the end of the day, reality is much harsher than what the green hippie fantasies younger me wanted.

@BlessedLion You underestimate how dark the human life can get. Also, a lot of people just don’t have the ambition and motivation to break out of such hell, and to build a beautiful life for themselves.

@Natasha Tori Maru Extroversion of you. Supposedly I am an open-book and a warm person as hell.

I always feel bad for them. Mostly because she would never be able to experience an attractive man like me (not meant to be arrogant lol). — Seems impossible to quote a second time on phone but you also say on your next post: ”If men get approached by a girl and the guy doesn’t want her, the guy is always flattered and treats her with respect and dignity.” Totally agree. I always show the girl how much I appreciate her courage, initiative and proactiveness, even when I am not interested in her.

I have to disagree with you here. Whenever I have pursued a woman and made her the prize (whether big or small), it has never ever worked out. And it’s not like I am repulsive and unattractive in nature. It’s been so ineffective to the point that I have grown up and eliminated that part of me completely. Now I only lead: The other way around has always been how it works best (and I have been in 4 serious relationships). She needs to see me more as a prize - but obviously I need to also see great value in her too, if we are talking about a potential serious relationship. Otherwise it doesn’t matter too much as long as she is attractive and fun enough. If she desires me bit / good chunk more than I desire her, I believe this is the best balance, when it comes to building a serious relationship. I do agree with you on the idea where the woman chases after the man hard, and the man is just meh about the girl. This ain’t good either, from my own experience as a man.

You guys are too scary and mysterious, even tho we type only 1 letter different.

@OBEler Thanks I think Alien Mind is for the advanced course. Inspired by your wish list, for years my big wish has been: Creativity !

Where the hell did you pull out that ”articles” part in the original link 🤣

Link doesn't seem to work. Can you check the correct link? I want to re-read it.

Brother, if you are a long time member here, then you should know his deepest and most fundamental thoughts and position on science. He doesn’t need to and should not write his 10-hour series on deconstructing science + all his improved thoughts and insights since the series, everytime there is a new thread discussing science. - And check your tone with which you are discussing here. As someone else pointed out, you are getting heated out of proportion.

If most people were Turquoise level conscious, practical science & practical survival would be 1000X (at least) better and more efficient, yet we struggle to even go past blue.

You can’t be serious. And you are a long time member here?

Leo is right here, Without employment (survival is deeply threatened + lots of free time), people will triple down on being people: unconscious, selfish, bullshitting & immature animals. And yes, why would the rich just give away their money? They are the epitome of selfishess. They got to where they are because of their selfishness. All this time, they could have given their money to the underdeveloped countries and starving children, but they didn't.

Bumping this up. How is it going with ya’ll who participated here? Any new insights regarding the topic? Started off very well but died off as fast.

@en-el hak Well articulated. I’m totally with you. On top of that, I have not mastered physical survival. And on top of that, my personality craves for deep, authentic, emotional connections with people - but most people are just unconscious survival machines. Even the so-called spiritual people. Especially them. No wonder no one does the work, the existential pain is too much.

This is a more feminine quality than masculine. The latter is more masculine.