Miguel1

Happy Birthday Leo! 🤍 Maybe we should have a 40th birthday real-life gathering celebration next year

Thank you for articulating it so clearly. I have been doing a lot of this unearthing the past few years from the spiritual and late stage capitalism brainwashing that I deeply went through in my early 20s. But overall, just also learning more about myself and my personality. Realizing that I am deeply an artist at heart has been a game-changer (thank you for the blogpost of Miyazaki). Realizing that I have a deep love and passion for philosophy and pure understanding has made me so much happier and life more enjoyable. Realizing that my crazy social skills came naturally to me and that it is not to be taken for granted at all, is crazy!

As Leo said, do both! But very good questions indeed. I have been contemplating the same questions a lot over the past year or two and deeply share your thoughts. So I felt like I had to come and share my own conclusions. So for me so far, the conclusion I have come to is: I will do both but, I have decided to make my life's work about Art for now. But the way I do art allows me to mix in a bunch of philosophy, both in the form of writing, and also speaking. + the art itself touches and inspires deep philosophical questions. Since for me... I see that this has much more money than pure philosophy (especially the truly advanced stuff), I will focus mostly on this now in order to become financially free. But I will certainly be doing philosophy and deep contemplations on my free time, while I am working on my financial freedom, since I just have such a deep love for it (it's either the biggest passion just like for you, or the second to art while being very close to being the first). Once I am free, I will also do pure philosophy as my life's work too. But it will happen through a new channel (videos, books) and I wont be mixing it into my main artwork. So it's almost like I will be doing two works (Kinda like Leo does actualized but also game design or whatever art ventures he is into nowadays). But they can overlap. The audience from the first channel that follows my art can follow my pure philosophy from the second channel and vice versa. Perhaps 20% will overlap. Perhaps more because once I am financially free, I will probably shift my Art into a layer or two or three more deeper... touching and expressing ever deeper aspects of life, which has less people interested in and resonating with, but more people resonating with my pure philosophy work. So in a way, I guess, once I am financially free, I wont be doing pure philosophy only through the new / second channel but also through my first channel which is the Artwork - but I don't know if you can call it pure philosophy since it has so much art in it and won't be ''pure'' philosophy, even if the art will be ''deeper''. Finally, once I am financially free, my art work will probably take 80% of my work time and philosophy work 20%. We shall see about that. Or maybe it will be 50/50. Or maybe 20% Art and 80% pure philosophy! Or maybe it depends on the phase of my life and it can fluctuate back and forth! That being said, doing art is so enjoyable for me that I will probably be working a lot! But then again... I will certainly have phases where I am not inspired to do art at all.. for really long periods at once... so I guess it all balances out and my work will perhaps remain on average the 20-40h a week and not more. We shall see. Depends on what I will be doing on my off-time from artwork and if it counts as work (for example studying, contemplating, living life, exploring, and being open to inspirations!).

@DreamCryX Very good.

I could see myself doing this when I was younger. And I wouldn’t say it would have been so much about discipline and commitment - but rather just a deep passion for the game cuz it is a ton of fun. For me at least. Especially when I was younger. Just like having a deep passion or even addiction to a video game. Unless the injury is literally stopping you from playing completely, you ain’t stopping.

I’m dying 🤣 Especially when its all true

Ooh of course. Silly me

Are you Leo half-American by biology or by law?

Your argument here like it has been the whole week is: the model is a man while Black Jack is not. And you got that completely the opposite. The model is a damn wimp in this case. Fucking him in bed for females is like fucking another pussy - they already got one. Look, talking with you about this is completely pointless and a waste of time. First go approach a thousand girls and you’ll notice quickly what behaviours are rewarded and what are punished. You have no experince and you talk like you do. That is the fundamental problem here.

Imagine a tall, jacked, model looking male - but awfully insecure, can’t hold eye contact to save his life, extremely stifled, stutters a ton & trembles when talking to girls Vs. Jack Black. https://www.actualized.org/insights/jack-black —- This is the only thing ya’ll incels need to contemplate.

BUT I DONT LOOK GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh… This is a waste of time. These ”pickup artists” have more balls now than you will your whole life combined.

Yes, of course. Learning how to handle rejections properly is one of the most important things in dating. One of those things that can make it or break it for you.

This is certainly the case for a percentage of men. But for a percentage of men (wink wink), they are just too scared to approach and do the work to learn the skills - so they demonize everyone that does the work in order for them to feel good about not taking any action and to keep being a coward. —- Just because some girls are toxic and manipulative, doesnt mean that there isn’t a ton of girls who are good human beings. From my experience, most girls are good people with a good heart. Just because a bunch / half / most of PUAs are immature and manipulative selfish shits, doesn’t mean that everyone is. Stop making so many excuses and learn the damn skills. Just practice and use them in a healthy way.

Here comes the third perspective my babes: As a guy who has an extremely high libido. And an extroverted, who loves to be around people and meet new people, Whenever I am single, I find myself meeting lots of new women. And pickup has given a lot of skills for me to be able to make it as much of a win-win as possible for me and the new girls I meet... and: I actually just realized that I kinda feel like I am being slut-shamed, whenever I am called or related to ''the PUA guy'' or ''a player''. Ironic, isn't it? I don't even consider myself a PUA guy or a player but I guess there's a lot of overlapping. I would consider myself at best, a healthy PUA guy, if such a thing even exists. Really, I am just a social guy who loves to meet new women, explore, experiment, and have fun both sexually but also just as ''platonically'' cracking jokes etc. And I hate leading anyone on. And again, pick up has given me a lot of skills to be able do this. Using other words just to emphasize lol: without which I would not be able to do this. ---- What am I supposed to do? Start investing into the first girl(s) I meet seriously and give it my all? Well, that will most definitely not end well due to me becoming desperate and clingy. I am down for dating someone seriously but it most likely isn't going to be the first girl(s) I meet whenever I am single. Especially if I haven't even moved on from my ex. Also, I have very high standards for a partner and it isn't going to be easy finding one. I have to go through a lot of dating new people - but at the same time, I have a high sex drive. And the girls clearly want to fuck me. And I have not led them on at all about wanting something serious with them. In fact, often times I disqualify myself very clearly as boyfriend material. ----- Now, I get it that there are a lot of PUA guys who are extremely toxic, manipulative, selfish, and narcissistic - as there are such CEOs as well. But there's also definitely a lot of CEOs who practice relatively very conscious leadership and business. Don't forget that. Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. ---- Finally, I want to say that thanks to the damn abundance I've gotten from pickup skills, I AM ACTUALLY ABLE TO BE MUCH MORE honest with the girls (not perfectly unless I cut my dick off). I can treat them with MUCH MORE love and care because I am not so damn desperate for pussy. I can treat them as part of me so much more. I can care for their needs much more. I have the power to be much more loving and abundant. I can afford that. Just like GOD can afford to create (imagine ) this world we live in. Thanks to the power (skills, ability, abundance). Again, why am I not so desperate for pussy as a guy who has huge sex drive, that I would need to manipulate, lead on, ''treat them just as pussy'', ‘’use them and dump them like they’re not even human beings’’ etc.? PICK UP SKILLS. Whenever I am single, I tend to approach around 20-50+ girls a week. And a bunch of them I go on a date with and / or have ONS with and / or build a FWB thing with. I TREAT them ALL mostly with LOTS of fucking LOVE. Sorry for the language. Thank you for reading. I don't know if this Nordic model / social democratic / highly stage green in Finland has anything to do with my dating experience but goddamn I TREAT EVERY GIRL I MEET VERY WELL! I have too much empathy to be treating people poorly. And as an ENFJ, we are known for our empathy. + my spiritual practices. Hence, it rubs me kinda wrong when you ''demonize'' me. But I get it where ya'll coming from. Just giving the third perspective. Don't get me wrong. I deeply care about being as conscious of a human being as possible and treating people with as much love as possible. But I also have a huge sex drive and I love meeting (flirting) with new women due to my extrovertness. And finally, I care about finding a highly high-quality partner for myself, so it takes a lot of dating different women, which of course includes a lot of experimenting in the bed with different women to see if we are compatible there as well.

I’m not sure what you mean exactly but I consider myself pretty good / pretty decent and I would Very Much prefer doing solo than having someone around me who don’t know what they are doing, especially beginners. Even the guys who are okay ish / intermediate… I prefer to go solo than with them. Because if they do weird shit as my ”friend”, I am too associated with them in the girls mind. I rather entertain the girls myself or drag some random guy on the spot / in the club who I feel could be okay-ish / good / decent at this and introduce him to the other girl. I could see that winging with someone around my level could be really awesome but here in Helsinki, I haven’t really found anyone close to my level. At least not one who would fairly actively be going out.

@Leo Gura Do you have tinnitus? Or are you just trying to prevent it the best you can? Or perhaps just understanding for understanding’s sake? I don’t have tinnitus but from what I’ve read, it can truly be hell. So I’m trying my best to prevent it. Currently, part of my work requires me to go to loud clubs. Earplugs is all I have for now.

Damn it's impressive.

You guys need to start getting used to just socializing with people in general. For the sake of socializing. For fun. It is not so serious. Baby step yourself up. If you are so nervous at first, then just say something short for them and then wish them a good day! You can literally just say: ''heyy you look very lovely! Have a good day :)'' From there you can slowly increase the length and quality of the conversation. This is not rocket science. It is not hard work. It is supposed to be playful and fun. How would you talk to someone if they were an old friend you haven't seen in years? Enjoy the conversation.

What is this crap? It's ironic because the more you say, the more it seems like you are just projecting yourself onto me. Are you perhaps triggered that you are not getting the success you want and I remind you of that? Just by the way you ask this question tells me you are not very experienced in game. If you were experienced in game, you would know that it mostly doesn't matter what you say to the girls when you approach them - and that this question is a very typical beginner-question. As for if you are open-minded and want to learn, here, I wrote this recently: I'm done for today.

What are you on about? My whole respond was to @thierry saying ''you won’t get a lot of sex if you want to maintain your integrity and honor.'' So obviously we need to establish first whetever I am having a lot of sex or not. I would say 1-3 is a lot. But perhaps in this case, he is talking about much more. I could definitely have much more sex if I made it my full-time thing. It just gets extremely boring and meaningless. So in that sense, 1-3 is not necessarily a lot. Out of all that damn analysis, you got stuck on that one short sentence?

Because I VALUE integrity, consciousness, and healthy way of living which includes healthy dating and socializing. Read my most recent respond to Leo and you'll understand why I take ya'lls criticism towards PUA more negatively than I should.

Yes. This much is obviously toxic, unconscious and very unhealthy. I guess I have just never been around these type of people here in Finland. We are one of the most developed countries after all. Seems like I am very biased because I live in a bubble and don't know how bad it really is in the PUA community. Like I said, I was never much in the pickup community. I was never on the RSD forum. I just took some stuff here and there on YT that I found helpful, mostly from Owen and Todd, spread within like 5 years. I didn't follow Julien much at all. I didn't even know who JAL is before I joined this forum back in 2021. Most PUA rubbed me off the wrong way. Including you Leo. I bumped into your early videos but had to stop following you because of the PUA videos. The surprise on my damn face when I bumped into Infinite Consciousness video of yours 7 years later. But anyways, upon my deeper reflections here, I think I got my answer. My initial intuition towards PUA was so bad that I never truly allowed myself to dive deep into it and study the community. I only took the healthier stuff from the healthier coaches and a bit of them only at that. I loved Owen's life advice more so than his PUA advice. So all in all, because of my initial intuition towards PUA, I never even allowed myself into the PUA community to really see how bad it is / was. No wonder I don't know how bad it was! All I know after 2015 is that Julien was fucked up inside. But I thought he was an exception. ---- I also just realized that perhaps there is a lot of naturalness in me. Much more than I like to admit. Just because I am too biased towards self-development. And definitely way too biased and attached towards helping people grow. I have always been a natural leader. I was the captain of my football teams throughout my childhood and teenage years. I am an extrovert with the personality type that is probably the most suited for socializing, charisma, and making people like me - ENFJ. And precisely also because of that personality type, I am so biased towards self-development and helping others grow. And finally, precisely because of my personality type (very intuitive and in touch with their feelings), I intuitively knew not to dive deep into PUA. Especially the unhealthier parts. And since I focused mostly on the healthier parts (and didn't even need much) and unconsciously ignored the unhealthy parts, I have such a damn wrong and biased view of PUA.

Look, whenever I am single, I typically have sex with 1-3 new girls a week. Can we agree that this is a lot? I want to see how exactly I am going against my integrity. I don't go for drunk girls, I don't use my social advantages. I don't lead anyone on to believe I want something more serious, when I don't. I don't need to do it. Precisely because game has allowed me abundance to choose from. I do some lying, yes, but the lies are more akin to a spiritual teacher speaking at the level where the student is at (beginner). Is he saying the full truth? No, he is not. But he also knows that the student is not ready for the hard-core truth and saying it can just lead him astray. Is it good to teach a beginner in spirituality that solipsism is the truth? Even more advanced people on this forum can't handle that. Now of course, when I lie with the girls, it is not exactly like that. But I only lie to make the girl more comfortable, socially. For example: I suggest things like adventure, going to listen to good music, going to eat good food, instead of saying let's go have sex. I do this because I don't want her to feel slutty. Because that makes her feel uncomfortable. We apply game not because we want to do it as men but because the girls want to do it. We would much prefer to be direct and straight honest. If she finds out that I am into spirituality and that she wants to hear more about it and I can sense that she can't handle even the basic form of spirituality, I am going to say some random stuff that has nothing to do with real spirituality, and change subject. If she starts talking about politics, I will consciously change the subject because I know that politics can lead to arguments which is not fun and sexy. And I want to keep it fun and playful. Am I lying? But if she really pushes it and asks me do I like Trump? I will say: ''no and if you like Trump, we are not going to get along.'' Yes of course there are techniques I use here and there to make the narrative / frame / me look better than it is. But that's just marketing. You can do more conscious marketing. You can do more conscious business like Google. It of course won't be as clean and pure as just going to a cave, sit in solitude, and eat plants. But that also is not as clean and pure as killing yourself, rather than destroying other life forms (plants) for your own selfish survival agenda. ---- So how am I breaking integrity so badly? You guys make it seem like I am murdering people, stealing their money, and raping their wives. In fact, I am giving these girls amazing experiences both physically and also emotionally - compared to what most guys out there would give them. I would suggest that you NOT learning this skillset (which is VERY HARD to learn as we can see here) is most likely spiritual by-passing - and that would truly be against integrity, if you want to actualize yourself to your highest self and become this holy conscious person without unconscious biases. Burn your sex karma so much that it doesn't appeal that much to you anymore, rather than repress it with all these holy ''integrity'' speeches - all the while the moment you get the chance to do it without anyone seeing you break integrity, you would immediately jump on the chance.

Timing. Just finished watching this.