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Humans have already mapped all known problems and solution structures, that formed primarily mathematics and science. However whatever patterns of problems or solutions LLMs train on, are limited by human language structure, i.e. human level of represenation of reality and relationships of those representations with itself and relaity. It's roughly a kind of analytical model, used to survive by humans. Human intelligence in that sense is the upper limit of LLMs, It's like juggling the same three or four balls but faster. In that sense super intelligence is just a "concept". Secondly whatever humans have developed is by being in reality, not just by being in language, LLMs on the other hand are just in language, not in reality. Do consider that representation of reality is not reality. It's real only as a representation not as an actual reality. That's where LLMs are way inferior then generally understood, since they are trained on human abstractions, i.e. content that humans have produced.

I usually get insights when i'm not completely awake in morning or when I'm not completely sleeping at night. Most recent one is about LLMs, basically it became clear like a day to me that while relying on human generated data LLMs can never surpass smartest human in intelligence. Even if they gather a planet size of compute. Basically intelligence is ingrained in abstractions and all the data humanity created, including all knowledge. A higher intelligence will have very different "content", for the lack of better word. There is another corollary to this which shows that LLMs are way inferior then we think. By the way i'm using LLMs every day in my work and they helped me alot

LLMs can slove problems and work with language. However since they rely on language and it's inherent structure, they won't go beyond it. But intelligence is not just language and it's inherent structure, human intelligence is far more complex then language, it's expressed in language, when there is a need of it, I'll argue that knowing and understanding is prior to language. Additionally, any higher intelligence will have a different language or maybe something totally different which will be enabled by their intelligence level that we cant imagine. Can a bird imagine anything about what humans created, i think not, just an assumption . Similarly a higher intelligence will have a different language (for the lack of better word), different concepts and different relationships among concepts that will enable them to express or explore reality at a very different level then us. Though i'm using these words, but we don't know what will be enabled by their intelligence level. As of now we don't know why humans evolved language, in evolutionary scale its a recent thing. Super intelligence is just a myth tech bros are selling us. There is more to this but i won't bore you further. Thinking, understanding and even intelligence is attributed to LLMs primarily to increase appeal for financial gains. Since reality of these things won't be so interesting.

This is an extended version of low hanging fruit logic, and it's possible that there are some low hanging fruits.

Any model stretched to the proportions this forum has done with SD, makes the model a constraint and an obstacle to get over.

It's good as an experiment, but doesn't sound like a good idea to me, it will breed some kind of conflict inevitably.

I basically look at the book list as titles that influenced Leo years ago, probably if he has to create a booklist now atleast some won't make the list for sure, I would recommend him to do exactly that in next update, retire books, since written words are not timeless. My favorite author from the list is Ralston offcourse i also don't understand why Francis and J.Krishnamurti made the cut. To me Ralston is bascially J.Krishnamurti 2.0, in a sense that his work is an extended commentry on JK, i don't know if anyone here views him that way. Ralston is grounded in reality much more then all the airy fairy stuff generally associated with spirituality, which keeps you real.

Nothing was said and nothing was heard, nothing written or read either.

It depends, your health goes down, if you work really hard at and are lucky you can decline the rate at which it goes down, which is good. Regarding understanding, it's a constant learning, each life stage is different so you become a different person, the person in his 20s has no Idea what 40s are like, similarly for 30s, even someone is 45 won't know what 50s is about. Life makes you learn, like it makes you learn now in whatever age you are. Everyone learns in some way. And there is no clever way to somehow future proof life, not even enlightenment. Enlightened or not, we are just a "something" in this life, while we are alive.

To be honest, life is living itself, i'm just reacting mostly and in some rare moments i do appear and notice whats going on, but i don't have any desires in those moments.

It doesn't change once you start believing it. It's not something we discover out there, it's a model we apply and all models are reductive at minimum and can be completely off the point in worst cases. It's a more deliberate way of crystalizing the self and then living as that.

Lucky you, the default place of no beliefs is the right place to be in. This allows for surrender to happen on its own, when one is faced with reality of possible ending of life.

I have been through a possible life ending situation an year ago. Nothing could comfort me in terms of beliefs, what helped was basically some understanding that i'm not here to start with, and it's an ongoing story that keep telling/creating myself. Reality of death is difficult and you have to surrender and go through it.

This forum should be called solipsism intensive. I mean every second post is about it. And i'm not sure if they are talking about the same thing.

you can start with a simpler question, what really happens when you are in deep sleep? it happens everyday(almost).

I appreciate your perspective, however you need to see that making sense of what we are experiencing works through beliefs and concepts. Belief is a concept held to be true and once something is held to be true it's real. Experience is lightening fast, its something we internalized and automated, however that doesn't change the fact that beliefs and concepts are what make our reality. There is no objective reality completely free from concepts and beliefs. This doesn't mean there is nothing out there. It means that this life is a function of concepts and without beliefs and concepts reality is meaningless or inaccessible to this life. You need to see this in your experience to a certain extent. Try to imagine that you have no concepts or beliefs, what would you see outside, what would be your objective reality? Offcourse you can't imagine it, it's impossible, everything you may be able to come up with will be conceptual, So don't undermine concepts and beliefs, They are building blocks of this life, they make our reality and they also give us power to construct or look at it differently.

I agree, the only downside of OneNote is proprietary file format, I haven't researched it but i'm sure a solution could be found to convert it into a format accessible by LLMs if someone needs it in future. I love simplicity of OneNote.

I second that, it's about the sub-culture you are involved with. I found so many profound people on hiking trails.

We exist at a very specific configuration of reality, that involves configuration of material, time and other aspects. I mean there could be beings at a different time scale and different material scale which we wouldn't be aware of at all. For example if you see a plant growing in fast forward it's moving too but in a different time scale, with plants we have a very basic configuration difference, But there are similar infinite material, time and other configurations where infinitely many beings are there, but they are not so to speak in the same reality that we are. So in that sense aliens are a fantasy not reality, and channeling them, is getting creative with the that fantasy so in a way it's fascinating. What else we could have done to handle this cosmic loneliness!!

I'm not solipsistic, at the moment it's impossible for me to fixate on some single belief that can define my reality. The thing is that language is a part of what mind can do and formulate, But it's not the thing, it's developed fairly recently in human evolution, if you don't attach concepts to everything so quickly and see things for themselves as much as possible, you may see that language is the product of some thing much more immense. Reality is not merely language and concepts it's a moving thing so believing and fixing on something, and then perceiving reality with those beliefs makes our reality the way it is. If someone is solipsistic it's because they chose those beliefs and related reality for themselves. When you understand that choosing a belief is primary in making your reality you will have as little beliefs as possible. Solipsism is just another belief, it's not the real thing.

@Madhur If you are serious about your own work, i mean truly serious and want to make it happen you should do it with the job. You are in your early 20s, this is the time to grind not to look for easy stuff. who is stopping you from starting your thing while doing the job? Okay you may take 18 months instead of the 6 but, first this is practical, second your finances are covered which ensures your needs and you have money to spend on yourself and your business, third you'll be sure that you are not kidding yourself and you will have time to gauge your risk apetite. And most importantly you have a huge incentive to keep working hard, because once you make it happen you can allow yourself the luxury of quitting job. Infact you can quit job at any level you feel comfortable, right now you don't have clear idea, so get clear idea and quit. Or maybe take it to 30% of your job earning and quit or any other comfortable level. Usually it's easier to tolerate office nonsense once you have your own thing going, at whatever level it is. Also I like to point out that, Job is a completely viable option. Usually people who complain about jobs have other issues, around discipline, following routine or mostly social or emotional issues. These issues will emerge in your own work too, you need to improve on those emotional, social and communication skills. By the way, no advise is an alternative to an actual experience of establishing your thing and quitting job. And also don't read too much into some of wage slavery nonsense that Leo has spread, there is no slavery it's living. Don't destroy a very viable form of living option based on someone Ideas. I like most of what Leo posted but some of the stuff regarding wage slavery is not useful, it's something that people like to read and listen too, since it speaks to their complaining and nagging self, but it's not correct. Few pointers: 1. Majority rely of jobs to make a living. 2. Not everyone can have a business of there own, why? It's numerically impossible. Can you imagine a world where everyone is working for himself? Just think about it, it's a stupid idea. It will require a new kind of world, at the moment it's just a concept in someone's head. 3. Value is inversely proportional to abundance, whatever that becomes common place looses value. This shows that only few would have access to true value or we may have to create a new world.

I had a similar feeling from a while back, i didn't think there is some exact disorder, but i felt there there is a dysfunction of some sort. But this forum is a mixed bag like any other, there are all sorts of people here and one general tendency cannot be applied to all. Some are clearly very happy it's not difficult to see, others are at different degrees of misery, and some subtle narcissists could also be seen in political discussions. These are all judgements i know, the point is that there is no single reason or disorder that people are here, these are different kinds of people with different kinds of evolving reasons that are constantly interacting with their lives and their world, Tomorrow you can decide to quit the forum and it won't change a thing, It's just that you'll be disowning a part of you.

Thanks for the subtle cue of a non-existing tuesday. I can see that it's just a concept, but once accepted and believed it becomes reality that i live from. Isn't all reality like that? I mean there is an objective experience, however most of what makes it an experience, is conceptual. That's why once accepted Tuesday is as real as any other thing. It's impact and the consequences are real. This makes me wonder that our ability to delude oversleves is limitless. This kind of reality making feels more like a feature of us, rather then a bug. We actively create reality and forget that we did, because otherwise it won't work, i mean it won't be lived as reality.

It seems, this forum is full of Gods. And somehow they need others' acknowledgment and approval. Feels like horse-shit of new age. 😅

I had this book lying around for around 7 years now, but somehow couldn't really benefit from it. Suddenly one day I started reading it around 6 months ago and It felt like it was exactly what I needed to read, It makes so much sense that I wonder why I didn't spent more time on it for all these years. It's often said that ultimate truth cannot be expressed which is true, but I didn't seen a book that gradually builds up and tries to express it as clearly as possible. I wonder what kind of state of mind Mr. Peter Ralston is to produce such a work. I mean most of enlightened people from Eastern traditions except Osho didn't took the trouble to go to such lengths. Another figure that comes to mind is J.Krishnamurti, i listen to him alot somehow at many occasions reading Ralston was like decoding the cryptic one liners form J.Krishnamurti. I wonder why men like him are so unknown and under rated. I'm well read and been reading stuff for over two decades (been through most of university level recommended readings in social sciences) but didn't encounter something so profound and ground breaking yet so unknown at the same time. The purpose of writing this post is curiosity, what's your experience have been with this book or his work in general? I hope most of you won't allow his mannerisms or laughing to be a blocking condition, that would be childish if I may say so. Sometimes people's personality can be a hurdle in truly interacting with them, however we should be interacting with actually what they have to say rather then what appears at surface level of emotions.