Christoph Werner

"Conspiracy Theorists" So anyone who engages in considering conspiracies? "Always" and "only" this sure makes it sound Like to me. there is Not even one conspiracy Theorist who is rational, responsible or reasonable.

"Conspiracy Theorists", "always", "only" So all of them are the same? Are you telling us there is no rational, responsible way of considering conspiracies? For me if you someone doesnt consider conspiracies, they often become very naive. They start to think the doctor is interested in their health. They start to think USA IS going to war for Democracy and anti terror... They think they live in a Democracy and voting is important. They think if there is Something important to know, everyone would know about it.

"What kind of person is drawn to conspiracy theories?" Why is that a question that you find is important? All kinds of people are drawn to conspiracy theories. A lot of fools off course. But even more fools dont take conspiracy theories seriously. The wanting to put conspiracy theories and people who are drawn to it into a box just shows someone who is invested in certain beliefs and who easily needs to explain away alternative theories. And Leo is certainly guilty of that. Imagine you voluntarily play lab rat for a company that had to pay the biggest pharma fine in US history, a company that is well known for it's corruption. Just because you got triggered by fear and group pressure, the most obvious way of psychological manipulation. And then you even go to your blog to promote your sheepish behaviour... lmao

Why is Leo so anti conspiracy theories? A lot of conspiracy theorists are fools and psychologically under-developped. Many people, including Leo use this obvious fact, to avoid conspirational thinking. People's survival is outsourced to society, this creates a conflict of interest and it creates group think. People cant stomach and imagine how corrupt and sick some people and even more people in power are. And Leo seriously underestimated how deep the corruption goes. He also fell victim to obvious group think and the very common pattern of fear mongering and he even promoted that in his blog. here the post: https://actualized.org/insights/got-my-covid-vaccine Got My Covid Vaccine By Leo Gura - May 26, 2021 After some delay due to my gut health problems, I got my first dose of the Pfizer Covid vaccine yesterday at my local Walgreens. The whole process took 15 minutes. The shot itself took 1 minute. The other 14 minutes was just waiting for the staff. There was no line. The shot was completely painless. 24 hours later I feel no different than normal. I have a little soreness in my arm where I got the shot. No mark or scar. The needle they use is so tiny you don’t even feel it go in. Overall, it’s so easy. Go get your vaccine today. Don’t let people fearmonger to you with conspiracy theories and fake news. Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus. Neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccines contain heavy metals like old fashioned vaccines do, eliminating even that minor risk factor. My Mom and brother both got both doses of the Moderna vaccine and they had no significant side-effects. The vaccine is also FREE! If you’re in the USA, you can schedule a free appointment via the Walgreens website. Or your favorite pharmacy center. Don’t doubt, don’t delay, go get vaccinated today! And be thankful that such a painless, healthy, and effective vaccine exists at all. The fearmongering and lack of gratitude has gotten way out of hand. Yet another example of the madness of crowds. "Your odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. So you’d be a fool not get vaccinated. Not to even mention the collective social costs of not getting vaccinated for the global economy and the people you could kill by being an unwitting carrier for the virus." completely baseless truth claim. Classic propaganda narrative he fell victim to. I think he's still in denial even today. Pfizer never tested if the vaccine stops transmission. there is no proof whatsoever that the odds of dying from Covid are hundreds of times higher than having a complication from the vaccine. A lot of people here on this forum fell victim to this propaganda. Just goes to show you how impactful the fear trigger is. Otherwise intelligent people all of a sudden cant think anymore if you just trigger their fear response and group pressure. If someone who didnt yet process what happened during the "pandemic" is interested, a ex leading toxicologist Helmut Sterz from pfizer released a book "The Vaccine Mafia: How Illegal Toxic Substances Were Sold as Covid-19 Medicine.” so far i think its only available in german. In the USA you have the epstein files, here in germany we have the RKI Files. It was the leading "scientific" institute here that basically all politicians and media based their covid narratives about. the rki files clearly reveal it was a purely political narrative passed down to the RKI and they had to justfy it. I lost a lot of respect for Leo in this time. Wouldnt get into my head why someone so intelligent would play lab rat for a company (pfizer) that paid the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. Department of Justice history at the time and then even promote this behaviour on his blog. more info if you want to investigate the "pandemic" deeper: Here is a short, fact-based summary of the COVID-19 narrative, based on open data, court records, financial reports and comparative studies – without media or politician storytelling. ### Key Facts & Patterns 1. **Massive wealth transfer to billionaires** - Oxfam / Forbes: Between March 2020 and late 2021, the wealth of the 10 richest people grew by ~$1.5 trillion. - Jeff Bezos +$75 bn, Elon Musk +$121 bn, Bill Gates +$33 bn (despite donations). - BlackRock & Co. saw record inflows into ETFs and tech stocks in 2020–2021. → Lockdowns → Amazon, Zoom, Pfizer, Moderna, tech giants explode → classic crisis transfer upward. 2. **Who profited directly?** - **Pharma**: Pfizer + Moderna revenue 2021/2022 each ~$100 bn (almost only vaccine). - **Bill Gates**: Largest private donor to WHO (~10–12% of budget via Gates Foundation). Major stake in BioNTech (via foundation), vaccine investments, GAVI. - **Event 201** (Oct 2019): Johns Hopkins, WEF, Gates Foundation simulate exactly a coronavirus pandemic – 6 weeks before Wuhan. No proof of planning, but perfect timing + large overlap of actors. 3. **Coordinated international response** - WHO pandemic declaration (11 March 2020) → almost all Western countries switch to lockdown, mask mandates, school closures within 1–2 weeks. - Lockstep scenario (Rockefeller Foundation 2010) describes exactly this pattern (pandemic → authoritarian control). - EU Commission centrally negotiates vaccine contracts (von der Leyen–Pfizer deal) – 1.8 bn doses, partly via SMS negotiations (EU court 2024: von der Leyen does not have to release SMS). 4. **Sweden without lockdown** - No lockdown, no mask mandate in schools, open restaurants/bars. - Excess mortality 2020–2022 comparable or lower than in many lockdown countries (ONS, Eurostat, Folkhälsomyndigheten data). - Economic contraction 2020 only –2.2% (Germany –4.6%, Italy –9%). → Shows that harsh measures had no clear advantage. 5. **Vaccine effectiveness & narrative shift** - Original claim (Dec 2020–mid 2021): “95% efficacy, stops transmission”. - Later (2021–2023): “Reduces severe courses, transmission not significantly reduced”. - Israel data (2021): Vaccinated infect and transmit almost the same (CDC study July 2021). - RKI protocols (2024 leak): Internal note Nov 2021: “Pandemic of the unvaccinated is epidemiologically not correct” – yet massively pushed publicly. 6. **Fear-mongering & propaganda** - Daily incidence ticker, death counts without context, children in masks, ventilator alarmism. - Campaigns like “#allesdichtmachen” → “Vaccinate to protect grandma”. - Censorship on platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) for dissenting views (Great Barrington Declaration, vaccine side effects). 7. **Absurd measures** - Plexiglas screens (no evidence of effectiveness), outdoor masks, outdoor curfews, 2G/2G+, school closures (Cochrane 2023: no effect on transmission), one-way aisles in supermarkets. ### Good sources for someone who still believes “everything was done properly” - **Primary sources** (best, because independent of media): - RKI protocols (full 2024 leak on rki-transparenzbericht.de or Multipolar) – internal doubts vs. public narrative. - EU court rulings on von der Leyen SMS (2024–2025). - Sweden data: Folkhälsomyndigheten (official Swedish agency), Eurostat excess mortality. - Cochrane Reviews (2023): Lockdowns & masks – no clear effects. - CDC/Israel data on vaccine transmission (July 2021). - Oxfam / UBS Billionaires Report 2021–2023 (wealth growth). - Event 201 video & participant list (Johns Hopkins website, archived). - **More neutral analyses**: - Great Barrington Declaration (original text + signatories). - Brownstone Institute (collection of primary data analyses). - Official financial reports from Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech (SEC filings). In short: The narrative was **primarily politically and economically driven, with science used as a secondary justification**. The profiteers were clearly in pharma, tech and financial elites. Sweden shows alternatives existed – and these alternatives were systematically ignored / defamed.

The big majority of covid deaths were either very sick people or very old people. That's why USA for example had a lot of deaths because the average health of americans is terrible and US has already lots of health crisies. To healthy people the virus is non threatening. I had it, was quite sick for one day and then completely healthy again the next day. I am not anti vax. Whoever feels to take the covid vax from the pharma businesses that they came up with in one year, sure go ahead. But don't go on a moral high ground and look down upon those who chose not to. which is it now? You see when we talk about covid the truth is just that really nobody has any idea. Rationally speaking it's an incredibly complicated topic. When you think the vaccine is safe, that's a belief. When you make all these judgements on which data are they based? How do you know your sources are reliable? You're just parroting expert opinions that you gathered up. How do you know which expert is right? Life is your imagination. So why the need of a vaccine for safety? Just imagine you are safe and you will be. Now this is obviously advanced stuff. Not for the Population. But we are on the actualized forum, no?

The vaccine doesnt stop the spread. They never even tested that. The vaccines have more to do with business than health. Neither the pharmaceutical companies nor the government care the slightest about your health. Most countries have a multitude of far worse health crisies than covid, but close to nothing is being done. Only when there is big opportunity for monetization and policies that give governments more control they start to "care" about your health.

agreed

There are states of consciousness and levels of understanding so far beyond human reality where human understanding just seems laughable and you can learn to access these states with psychedelics, there is no question about that. But to claim that you cannot live human life being conscious of God all the time and to imagine you can access these states of consciousness only through psychedelics and actually being convinced by that story is pure Delusion. Who would prevent you from living a human life god realized? Who would prevent you from producing any kind of psychedelic state that you want with your body? The highest understanding a human being can carry is complete surrender to God.

I agree in that there are much higher levels of consciousness which are unaccessable as long as you imagine living a human life. Luckily we are not a human. Why seclude awakening to there not being physical form? How can the ego die when it is just a fiction? To me awakening is to be conscious of the eternal presence of God and forever recognizing God is you and this does not contradict imagining yourself living a human life. You can live a human life fully aware that you are God playing a character. If there is a post awakening marked by the return of an ego it just means you had an awakening experience not awakening, and you are giving away your power to a ficticious self fabricated ego. Yes you limit yourself down. Doesn't mean you cannot be conscious that you are the One that created the game and that you are all the characters in the game and none of them. That is playing the game in awakened mode.

Are you really telling God what it can not do? God can imagine anything. It can imagine living a human life god realized. All human activity is Love. You can live a human life beyond survival. You choose to take part in survival in order to spread Love to human beings and at the exact same time you are completely unconcerned with survival because you know who you are.

What are your top lessons when it comes to psychedelics? Life is a game, Die before you die There is no distinction between a psychedelic trip and your daily life. Insights and inspiration come from being connected to the source of consciousness, the level of connectivity to the source has a chemical basis in the body. In the case of psychedelics the inspiration and insights fade away as the chemical foundation changes during the comedown, they do however still have a lasting effect, but the true growth comes from learning how to align the chemistry of the body with the source without psychedelics, this is the way to embody the insights and inspiration. Most growth from psychedelics is done after the trip by integration. If you need a psychedelic to sit in bliss, you are not awake and you don't understand reality. Accept everything that is. All is you. Everything you could ever want is already inside of you. How to use them most effectively and safely? The most effective way to use psychedelics for me is before and during the trip to surrender to silent presence and to the energy that arises when you do so. Notice how much resistance the mind has to be silent and present. I do this through yoga, meditation breathing and also guided Meditation. Once my mind is established in the silent presence and connected to the bliss I like to contemplate or also listen to different spiritual teachers. Often tho hours fly by just sitting in the profound bliss and love empty of thought. Once in this state on lsd I listened to Leos reading a poetic description of god consciousness. My Imagination had no human limitations and so the words of leo were translated into a profound experience. His words and descriptions became my reality. Safety? Well don't be an idiot. Consider all saftey measures before the trip. Pick a good location where you're safe without noise, close to nature. Don't take very high doses. What do you wish you'd have known before you started? Nothing. Exploring this stuff is a lot of fun. Dos and don't when psychonauting? Dos: Fast before and during and after the trip. If you want to eat, eat fruits. Warm water with honey and pure cacao is also nice. Be warm. I like to wrap myself in a mandala when sitting in Meditation. When it's dark, light safely placed candels. Wear comfortable clothing. Commit yourself before the trip to not distract yourself. Be free of fear and negativity. Go offline. Don't be uncomfortable with insanity. Don'ts: Don't eat during the trip! Don't look at your phone. Don't look at screens too much or better not at all. Don't distract yourself. Don't trip in noisy and crowded places. Don't trip in a City.

Shunyamurti is stating god-consciousness similar to Leo.

the best strategy is to not eat a big meal 4-5 hours before. You don't need to have food it clouds the trip. If you really have to, eat some fruit like bananas 2 hours before. Fasting is an important part of spirituality. Aim for higher states of consciousness in your trip, then you can make use of an energy source that is non physical. In India they call it Shiva Shakti.

I think Biden is a joke. Like a middle finger from those who are in control. He's obviously mentally unfit to run a country. The political subforum here is very strange to me. It's a bit like you can parrot leo's political views or you're out. Don't go to far out of his box. Don't dare to speak about covid vaccination or a "conspiracy theory". Well for me, I take one look at Biden and I see that he is not taking any decision, he's almost like a empty vessel not really knowing where he is and what he's doing. I take one look at people like Dr. Fauci and I instantly know he is a corrupted liar. I have this since always, I always know when someone is lying. It happens with complete strangers, I just know they're lying even tho I've never seen them before, 10 minutes later I talk with them about their deepest emotional wounds. Obviously what I said is a joke. Biden is doing a great job. I hope he gets elected for another 4 years. Knowing people by looking at them and connecting to their energy is self deception and a fantasy. And take your booster shot by the trusted pfizer company and boost your children.

@Razard86 Don't spend so much time on internet forums. The time & effort you put on this forum, apply that to your life. How do you have so much time for making all these posts? Don't you have better things to do? What story in your mind tells you it's a good idea to spend your life on a forum? How many hours a day are you on this forum? I think you are confusing the map with the territory. I think you are making an identity of being some kind of spiritual genius that no one understands at the same time failing to recognize the stupidity of yourself and the limits of concepts. I think you think you actually know stuff, which is obviously ridicoulus. You don't realize the stupidity of your thoughts. And you get off on one upping others. Telling others how to think and what to do, because you will never listen to your own advice.

I don't know. Maybe I'm watching the wrong media, but the guy looks like he has dementia to me? Like mumbling all the time, forgetting how many people live in his country, shaking hands with air, falling asleep, falling on stairs/ from his bike, mumbling nonsense. I don't think he's making any decision really, it looks like he is someone that is following orders and reading teleprompters. So I think Biden is a pure Joke, the ones who are making the decisions don't even care to hide it anymore.

I think it's possible also. Would be a very valueable skill to have. Well explained! I totally understand and agree, there is a lot of value in doing that. However I also feel some are taking it really overboard, I also feel it getting toxic at times and for some users always this need to be right or one up the other. For me also, even at my stage, there is this urge to share the insights, beauty, freedom, lightness and love that I get from my spiritual way of life with other people. I just started spirituality 5 years ago. Already I found a way to share my Insights with people and even at my stage of still talking to myself a lot, sometimes getting a bit into drama or victim mind. Even so the effect I can have on people Just offering an atmosphere suitable for meditation and openness. Sharing insights from me or from teachers I listen to and guiding the group into a deep meditative state. Basically I do some practices with them and at the end through improvising a guided meditation, that is reminding me of a lot of insights I had, I go into a deep meditative psychedelic like state, offering this vibration all the people connect in whatever way is possible for them at the time. After the session people are floored like after a trip, they share their visions they had and they mostly just feel amazing and inspired.... Litterally works every time. The point is the way people are talking on this forum I feel they are much more advanced than me, yet still have somehow hours of time every day to spend on this forum. Or is it just me that feels the urge to share this?

There are many people on this forum claiming "they are god" or "I became conscious of the truth" or "through direct experience I know"... Isn't this ego? Why the need to claim awakening? Why claim you're god when you cannot even stop talking to yourself and just be quietly your Self? Maybe this is a way of the ego of postponing it's transcendance, because now it fooled you into believing you are awake? There are few things on this forum I don't understand, also why if someone who is god conscious would spend so much time on this forum doing a lot of nonsense debating with others. Don't you have better things to do? I have few awakenings in my memory also, they are some of my most important, beautiful and life transforming experiences Some time back I made a topic "5Meo Dmt and I don't know". Since then I had 2 breakthrough trips with 5MEO DMT and needless to say it's very powerful, I absolutely love it and I will continue working with it. It made all my practises more powerful. However it didn't help me with the constant talking to myself that I'm doing every day and intuitevly I don't think it will help me with that much in the future. Can anyone give me some advice how I can stop talking to myself? Is there actually someone on this forum who can just sit for an hour without talking to yourself? I can slow down the thoughts and become very blissfull. Silent nirvana mind I have only experienced once for like 30 minutes where I felt so complete that I didn't feel like thinking. That was after a meditation while I was on lsd combined with mdma. Maybe I shouldn't strive for a non-talking to itself mind? Right now my approach is just enjoying life, doing my practises, devoting myself as a meditation teacher and to my projects, travelling. When I am in devotion my mind is the more peaceful and silent but still not at all what I have experienced is possible. I appreciate any advice and answers to my questions Thank you❤️?

Isn't it an assumption that we're experiencing life through "the lense of a human being"? Just because you feel and see a body doesn't necesarrily mean you see life through the lense of a human being, right? There are many Yogis who claim they can be without thoughts. Sadhguru says sometimes he is not thinking a single thought for few days in a row. And even I experienced it before. I'm aware I am not the thought, especially sitting in Meditation and it does not happen often anymore that I get identiefied with thoughts that lead to suffering. Yet, If i were to analyze, at least over 60-80% percent of my thoughts are nonsensical self talk. They are simply unnecessary. Maybe the mind is more than a "thought generating machine" and we just haven't figured out to use it at its highest potential?

@Dorje Chang Shakti Chalana Kriya in my experience is 3-5 times more powerful than shambavi. I have not done any other Kriyas then the ones from Sadhguru, so I can't compare. All I know is everyone I spoke to who practises Shakti Chalana are amazed at the power of it. So I'd say yes, worth a trip. Moreover you can experience living in a high conscious community and check out their amzing temples. Dhyanalinga is quite an amazing tool.

@Javfly33 @Javfly33 Short answer yes, but not as intense mostly. For me in the evening/ night time it is very easy. Through holding conversations with people or intensly listening to them, dancing, sex, looking someone in the eyes. Definetly tho my meditation creates much more psychedelic like bliss states. I don't view my practise as something I do to reach enlightenment or chase anything. For me it just makes my life flow more and I feel much more I'm in control of my energies. One goal I have is to live more with a quiet mind. Karma yoga is helping me do that. But it seems there is much more to learn and transcend. I'm always talking to myself in my mind, sometimes less, sometimes more. I really want to find a way to be quiet. If someone can give me tips on that I would appreciate.

Yogic practises can help you to gain mastery over your body. I never understand the argument, just do psychedelics, they are more powerful. Why not do both? What better things you are doing when you're not on psychedelics? Everyone has time for these practises and they are very helpful in rasising your baseline level of consciousness and you can definetly have awakenings with these practises. I do a combination of hatha yoga, pranayama kriyas, meditatation, psychedelics and self inquiry. I had awakenings in all of them. The psychedelic awakenings are the highest experiences and they make all the other practises much more powerful. However the awakening from the Kriyas are much more valueable, as I learned from them to go into bliss states whenever I want within 10-20 minutes doing meditation, as I Iearned from them how to hold the body, how to breath. So stick with whatever practise you enjoy doing and that work for you. For me the more powerful one is Shakti Chalana Kriya learned from Sadhgurus Shoonya Intesive course. But there are probably many good ones out there.

Well if they want to do it and everyone is onboard and proper safety measures are taken, I guess it could be worth a try. Otherwise I wouldn't recommend taking mdma, it's quite toxic. Besides if you heal all your trauma and all behavioural patterns that are a result of your trauma. And if you are truly grateful for your family being able to spend time with them and just loving them then you can have a big effect on them.

I've been there 5 months. For me it was a life changing experience. The practises they teach are super powerful and the space also. Just don't engage in the group think but be open to what they teach and try it fully. Their programmes are incredible also. Bhava Spandana is a 4 day kundalini yoga retreat that is amazing. Shoonya is an advanced 4 Meditation retreat where you'll learn a powerful pranayama practise ( this practise enabled an awakening into infinite love for me, through this I can now produce the chemistry of love at will within 10-20 minutes, changed my whole life ) also their hatha yoga is very pure and effective. They offer three different types Angamardana (more fitness type) Surya Kriya and Yogasanas. Also their temples are amazing Dhyanalinga and Devi temple. They say the Dhyanalinga is the highest energetic form possible in physical form. All I know is when I sat there for meditation it felt like an energy form doing operations on my body. Ofcourse there is a lot of group think going on there, but it's defintely a high conscious community that lifts you up. If you're looking for developing discipline, learn pure spiritual practises and you are open for new experiences then I think it's perfect for you. It's also amzing to see so many people living in harmony together, we'll definetly need more of that in the future. If you have questions let me know. I can also give you some tips on how to approach your stay there to get the most value if you want.

I give a meditation Workshop every week. What I've learned is, that your vibrational frequency is the most important. You are providing the atmosphere that everyone connects to. So every single emotion and thought you have is important. So prepare well for any theory you want to discuss, don't be nervous, establish a solid connection with source and be very mindful of your frequency throughout the whole day but especially for the session. I like to start my Workshop with shaking of the body to music. People are so stuck in their psychological reality that their consciousness is quite disconnected from the body, so that's a nice beginning. I would first do practise and then the dharma talk and then again practise. As people will listen much more when they are open from the practise. I also recommend doing guided meditation at the end. It's very beautiful way of guiding yourself and others to source consciousness and channeling that power to the room and everyone in it. Feel everyones energy and build a database of things to say in your mind, so then in the moment based on how you feel the peoples energy you know the right things to say to bring them closer to love, peace and power. Make the Workshops about love. No one cares about buddhism or any technique. Everyone is just looking for love even if they don't know that. So address that and don't beat around the bush. Meditation is shifting from pursuing love to realizing you are love.