Natasha Tori Maru

No - I do not speak from belief. I know.

No worries - agree to disagree. The above is an illusion. Enjoy your journey!

Also to be clear about the above - do you consider that philosophy 'stop thoughts to cease suffering, open spiritual truth' to be anti-human spirituality? I still don't quite grasp your definition of 'anti-human spirituality', but only because of your style of expression. Can you summarise in one sentence?

It's the core of self. It is what most people perceive as more real than this reality. So respectfully disagree. It is not superficial to my understanding. Core 1) energetically inscribed into their being = bad habit of thinking certain things. You think the thought. Do you think thoughts just 'happen' like they 'fall' on you? Who is doing the thinking? It's just a pattern of had habitual thoughts. That is at the base of this energy thing you are talking about. That is at the core of how to stop the issue. Realise the thoughts are doing it, and work to adjust your perspective and context. 2) meditation alone won't stop the 'energy structure'. But halting the thoughts will show you that it is you causing the suffering and blocking your access to true spirituality. Again, to clarify - do you believe thoughts just 'befall' you? Just 'happen'? You can't help it? Genuinely - thoughts don't just happen. It is you (so to speak) that is doing it. You are thinking stuff that causes issues. You aren't a victim of the thoughts. They aren't evil spirits coming externally. Honestly have you had this realisation? If you haven't that's a big next step on your spiritual journey I agree that you can frame it as an energy structure, it's just that I am unsure if you see the cause, effect and solution. It is a complicated made up concept to describe the simple act of thought cessation and realisation of effects.

@ExploringReality Right back at ya! I was only just recalling on my morning run, my first interaction with you was quite catalytic, but you are a killer chap Got a lot of vital real energy. Maybe if there ever is this actulized.org official meetup it'd be a great jam, meeting others is always a blast. Flights would eat all my vacation savings, but an experience not to be missed. We always have these ideas of how others are. The reality - the real TRUTH - is always a surprise

I simply took opportunities as they arose. And as I grew in wisdom, my ability to discern which opportunities were worth it, also grew. This led to a snowball effect where I struggled for a long time - and then one day BAM! I begun to make the right choices. And rapid growth in career, spiritual work and life in general happened. I also learned the essence of creativity and success is in what one ISN'T doing. Usually it is what you are DOING that is holding you back

Nah your mind is snagged on this - absolute truth is absolute truth. I didn't say that - and you are forcing my statement into fallacy by implying I stated absolute truth. Truth isn't just some binary thing. There are partial truths, contextual truths, approximate truths, evolving truths. That is why the spiritual process is about finding out what the truth is for yourself. You can scream and spam here as much as you like but you should recognize when the discussion is going no-where. No one's mind is being changed and you aren't convincing anyone. Tappin' out now

Where did I state that? I mean, the context was that all perspectives are relevant and not to be dismissed. Even Schizo's. You are making meaning out of nothing. Seeing shit that aint there. Did I say absolute truth? No. I said personally verified through real world experience. Which in the case I presented was to illustrate that this perspective carries more weight. Perspectives are usually closer to truth with measured against reality. Again - anyone can argue with anyone. No restrictions.

@Hojo You misunderstand. Where did I ever say no one is allowed to argue? You are free to argue your hand is attached to your face. I don't mind. My statement was that experience typically carries more weight.

@Joshe Makes total sense and I agree! Real openness. Openness to being wrong also - I am okay not knowing something as it means I can potentially gain new insight. Constant context shifting. The state of 'not knowing' is primary and fundamental. It is just a shame society actually teaches us that ignorance is such a negative thing and knowledge is to be revered. Judgements that don't serve. Obviously, one cannot go through life as a nitwit might - knowledge is essential - but the ability to snap back to a state of open not knowing is a HUGE asset.

@Hojo All I said was Princess Arabia was speaking from experience - and Schizo was relaying hearsay. I don't understand where you got all these other statements from. I didn't say anything of the sort. You have a lot of projection going on.

What are you referring to? Truth not being verified through experience?

@Joshe I have really had my perspective widened wrt men's issues and troubles here. @Princess Arabia has also had some great thoughts regarding the inner carnivore due to her experience. It's a shame her perspective on escorting was being dismissed in the other thread - because her experience was actually personally verified truth. Whereas others were presenting ideas as facts. And this is what this place is all about - truth! Facepalm moment there... All perspectives are welcome with me !

You know I always felt Leo used examples of an extreme nature - and often negative/polarizing - to induce a mildly shocking state change through reaction. He walks you through a contemplation in real time - then BOOM a shockingly extreme example to induce a change of state. Like a verbal Zen stuck up the backside... It just so happens that negativity gets people's attention - the brain is an error detecting machine. Constantly scanning for errors so you 'don't make that mistake again' -> learn & then survive. This means we naturally pay attention to negative things. Think negative news. So, you can see how this is quite a crafty and sly way to induce realization in his audience! He used the natural process' of the brains survival mechanism to neatly serve insights My 2c.

@Princess Arabia You could be right - I was speculating. It does seem odd female perspectives were ignored though, if you are correct (which you most likely are) as the qualities he is seeking are... feminine

@Princess Arabia Honestly, this user doesn't welcome female advice/perspective. My questions were not addressed either. No stress for me - the user has a block to the feminine hence the inability to understand why he cannot understand or attract. Self-admitted too 'I am too logical'. So we are being 'blocked' out - literally!!! HAHA! It always makes me wonder how our (as women) dialogues might change if we had ambiguous names/profile pictures He probably just wants to know how to get sex only. And will only receive what little he needs to know regarding women from a man's perspective. Maturity comes with time.

@theleelajoker are you sure you just aren't feeling when someone wishes to attend another need, but agreeableness and conscientiousness is getting in the way? This is super common with women. 'I'm enjoying myself but I want to do x,y,z now, but I don't want to make this person feel rejected or pushed away. How can I express my needs without hurting them or offending?' There's the friction and hesitation you read in their expression and body language. Not sure, I could be wrong - you seem to be the type to intuite body language tone and expression in a razor sharp way. I do this too (I could be projecting!) and so when words don't match to body language I am suspicious. The error I make is when I attribute some duplicity going on when it is literally the person unsure how to candidly assert themselves for fear of offense. Women experience more anxiety typically than men, and high contentiousness will drive them to cut short an experience to avoid the anxiety of not doing something they are obliged to. Men as well, but women typically experience higher anxiety there

Identification with thoughts. Identification with the thought process produces assumptions that one is the thinker producing thought, and one watches these assumptions and thoughts so intently that it takes that to be the reality of who/what they are. But this is false. It is like the ocean mistaking itself as a wave. No-self isn't about the body being illusory. It's about who you (so to speak) think you 'are'. All the thinking of who you are generated in the social domain (as an example) is usually the biggest false self there is. No self is very grounded within experience, sensation, feeling. And this self is like a dirty pair of specticles obscuring your vision - obscuring true experience and being. Take the specticles off = true being, experience. Clarity. Take the specticles off = no self. The 'specticles' are what you think you are. Metaphorically speaking.

@czar24 How would you say your flirting skills are? Body presence? (Many gym guys are disconnected from their body due to trying to force it into a shape, which can remove grace and body language charisma) The 'play' mindset is key. Your self report was that you were quite serious - If you want to engage this play mindset... Well... Seriousness runs counter to that!

@Breakingthewall Sure I could be wrong. I have seen that documentary. My wider point is that you are the only one who doesn't like/agree with no-self/realisation. It's a core part of spirituality. You can find it here, in other practices. It is only you who does not agree. So I am more inclined to think you just haven't realised this yet

But you can fly. You can swim and never breathe the air, as a fish. You realise you are the birds and the fish. Your consciousness is everywhere. You are all. You share their experience. So you are flying as the birds. No seperation

You fundamentally and willfully misunderstand no self. No solid structure of self exists. This is the only part you are yet to realise. Really try to understand what no self is without judging it. Do you perceive some negativity, or is the resistance to it purely because you view it as impossible? I just don't understand how you view the self as a real permanent structure. I can't touch it. Where is it located? No smell. What does self sound like? You place an artificial limit on the human condition

@Mathdaddyg Haha! l I work down that way - if you ever happenchance to Monash Medical Centre, you will see the Tash no self clad in tradie flouros lol. No self in action in construction - hand out hard truth, deliver bad news - *I* (so to speak) don't care... no ego there to worry about how the news will be received

@Mathdaddyg You could say no-self is the realisation you (so to speak) are an illusion. You realise the self isn't a fixed, separate and enduring 'I'. Thoughts arise, sensations arise, but no one owns them. The realisation exposes the illusory nature of the mind's chokehold grip on reality. But you need an ego to survive. So you are free to imagine whatever illusory self is required to interact with reality to generate experience. Drop it as needed. Pick it back up. You wipe the slate clean to unburden yourself - from yourself.

Aren't you God though?